Re[2]: [opensuse] So tried KDE4

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Илья Черных

26 Jul 2010 26 Jul '10

10:39

First comment.. stop trying to make KDE4 into KDE3 when you're tinkering with it. That will not work. KDE4 is NOT KDE 3.

Gnome is also not KDE3 but under Gnome all this works. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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C

26 Jul 26 Jul

10:50

2010/7/26 Илья Черных:

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First comment.. stop trying to make KDE4 into KDE3 when you're tinkering with it. That will not work. KDE4 is NOT KDE 3.

Gnome is also not KDE3 but under Gnome all this works.

And your point is what? Do you start KDE and try to use it like Gnome using all the Gnome ways of doing things? No you don't.... you use Gnome as Gnome was designed to be used.... just like you use KDE4 as KDE 4.... _not_ as KDE3. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Dotan Cohen

23:24

2010/7/26 C :

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And your point is what? Do you start KDE and try to use it like Gnome using all the Gnome ways of doing things? No you don't.... you use Gnome as Gnome was designed to be used.... just like you use KDE4 as KDE 4.... _not_ as KDE3.

I disagree. I do KDE installs as many users try to use KDE/Gnome as if it were Windows, they don't know any different. I certainly tried to use KDE 4 and Gnome as KDE 3 when I started using it. That's what humans do. Once we figure out how to work with KDE 4 most people (not all) like it, but KDE 3 users are not yet acquainted with anything other than KDE 3 so that is how they use it. In any case, instead of attacking Iliya let's thank him for mentioning the problems that he found and filing bugs. KDE 4 is still very problematic, but those of us who are used to it don't see that anymore. We need people like Iliya to show us the problems from the outside. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

C

27 Jul 27 Jul

04:26

On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 01:24, Dotan Cohen wrote:

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2010/7/26 C :

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And your point is what? Do you start KDE and try to use it like Gnome using all the Gnome ways of doing things? No you don't.... you use Gnome as Gnome was designed to be used.... just like you use KDE4 as KDE 4.... _not_ as KDE3.

I disagree. I do KDE installs as many users try to use KDE/Gnome as if it were Windows, they don't know any different. I certainly tried to use KDE 4 and Gnome as KDE 3 when I started using it. That's what humans do. Once we figure out how to work with KDE 4 most people (not all) like it, but KDE 3 users are not yet acquainted with anything other than KDE 3 so that is how they use it.

In any case, instead of attacking Iliya let's thank him for mentioning the problems that he found and filing bugs. KDE 4 is still very problematic, but those of us who are used to it don't see that anymore. We need people like Iliya to show us the problems from the outside.

:-P wasn't meant as an attack. My apologies that it came across that way. I shouldn't fire off emails while I'm at work and distracted. People's KDE4 attempts fall over whenever they try to force it to be KDE3. The same thing happens when a Windows user tries to force any Linux DE to be Windows or OSX... it doesn't work, things break etc. A friend of mine "drinks the Apple koolaid" as I like to tease him by saying... he keeps trying Linux on his reg PC, and it always explodes in a myriad of weird ways that no one else can duplicate.. why? because he keeps trying to make it OSX. Doesn't work... yet... if you use any DE, regardless of which one it is, as it's designed to be used, it generally works quite well... like with KDE4... I learned that lesson early on... stopped fighting it, learned what it was trying to do, and the proverbial light bulb switched on... I think that's about the same time I stopped hating Gnome :-) I stopped trying to make Gnome be KDE. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Anton Aylward

11:10

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C said the following on 07/27/2010 12:26 AM:

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People's KDE4 attempts fall over whenever they try to force it to be KDE3. The same thing happens when a Windows user tries to force any Linux DE to be Windows or OSX... it doesn't work, things break etc. A friend of mine "drinks the Apple koolaid" as I like to tease him by saying... he keeps trying Linux on his reg PC, and it always explodes in a myriad of weird ways that no one else can duplicate.. why? because he keeps trying to make it OSX. Doesn't work... yet... if you use any DE, regardless of which one it is, as it's designed to be used, it generally works quite well... like with KDE4...

That would explain why I don't have any of the 'bugs' that are described in this thread. -- There is no legitimate religion apart from truth. --John Calvin -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

lynn

11:33

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A friend of mine "drinks the Apple koolaid" as I like to tease him by saying... he keeps trying Linux on his reg PC, and it always explodes in a myriad of weird ways that no one else can duplicate

In Spain, mac users are called macbores. They look for real ale, only speak English, are old and use very expensive computers. Oh, and have a beard. Is that the case elsewhere? L x -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Tony Alfrey

13:46

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lynn wrote:

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A friend of mine "drinks the Apple koolaid" as I like to tease him by saying... he keeps trying Linux on his reg PC, and it always explodes in a myriad of weird ways that no one else can duplicate

In Spain, mac users are called macbores. They look for real ale, only speak English, are old and use very expensive computers. Oh, and have a beard. Is that the case elsewhere?

No, here in the US mac users realize that the Mac OS is a unix implementation that many linux distros /could/ look like if the desktop were properly designed and didn't drag the user through an infinite series of painful updates. And we look for real ale and real tequila and are old and realize that time is money and that therefore spending an extra couple hundred bucks on a mac that works flawlessly and forever is a better investment of time and money. And some of us mac users also screw around with linux on the side, get real work done with it, and understand its limitations but don't feel compelled to drink the open source kool-aid and realize that software developers sometime need to make a buck for all of that hard work. And not all of us have beards. Is that the case elsewhere? -- Tony Alfrey tonyalfrey@earthlink.net "I'd Rather Be Sailing" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Peter Van Lone

14:21

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On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 8:46 AM, Tony Alfrey wrote:

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No, here in the US mac users realize that the Mac OS is a unix implementation that many linux distros /could/ look like if the desktop were properly designed and didn't drag the user through an infinite series of painful updates.

hehe ... too bad the Apple hardware has to be proprietary ...

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And we look for real ale and real tequila and are old and realize that time is money and that therefore spending an extra couple hundred bucks on a mac that works flawlessly and forever is a better investment of time and money.

amen! And for me now Win7 is also more reliable than any of various installations of Suse (going back to 9) have ever been as a personal workstation

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And some of us mac users also screw around with linux on the side, get real work done with it, and understand its limitations but don't feel compelled to drink the open source kool-aid and realize that software developers sometime need to make a buck for all of that hard work.

Linux supporter, not believer, here ... participate when I can, advocate its use where it makes sense to me, keep a personal linux desktop (that is being used less and less, unfortunately)

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And not all of us have beards. Is that the case elsewhere?

no beard -- and don't own a Mac, either -- and resist the proprietary experience. But bought my kid a MAC laptop when he went to college, and it was an EXCELLENT choice and worth every penny.

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"I'd Rather Be Sailing"

me, too -- or kayaking, or canoeing -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

16:34

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On 2010-07-27 13:33, lynn wrote:

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A friend of mine "drinks the Apple koolaid" as I like to tease him by saying... he keeps trying Linux on his reg PC, and it always explodes in a myriad of weird ways that no one else can duplicate

In Spain, mac users are called macbores. They look for real ale, only speak English, are old and use very expensive computers. Oh, and have a beard. Is that the case elsewhere?

I know two mac users here (Spain) and they don't fit the description. One is an absolute non-techie, bought an iMac because that way he would not have to care about viruses. He is young, has no beard, I have not seen him drink anything (but he does, I guess, when not on duty), and speaks absolutely no English. The other Mac user I know is the inducer of the first one. He is a bit more of a techie, has both windows 7 and whatever on his machines. Otherwise, the description is very similar to the other chap. Ah, and I saw what those iMac had, and they certainly look nice. Big touchpad with gestures. Lower panel in the display expands three or four times, in a curved shape, so that you can easily see the many icons much bigger, and choose one without mistakes. Cute. He showed off using a photo with the integrated webcam and did things I can't do at all in Linux, like automatically integrating his photo over a background of the Eiffel tower (I was here! - untrue), and other tricks. I was envious, I were. Am. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2 x86_64 "Emerald" GM (Elessar))

lynn

17:15

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On Tuesday 27 July 2010 18:34:01 Carlos E. R. wrote:

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friend of mine "drinks the Apple koolaid" as I like to tease him by saying... he keeps trying Linux on his reg PC, and it always explodes in a myriad of weird ways that no one else can duplicate

In Spain, mac users are called macbores. They look for real ale, only speak English, are old and use very expensive computers. Oh, and have a beard. Is that the case elsewhere?

I know two mac users here (Spain) and they don't fit the description. One is an absolute non-techie, bought an iMac because that way he would not have to care about viruses. He is young, has no beard, I have not seen him drink anything

¿But are they boring? L x -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

28 Jul 28 Jul

10:06

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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2010-07-27 19:15, lynn wrote:

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On Tuesday 27 July 2010 18:34:01 Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2010-07-27 13:33, lynn wrote:

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friend of mine "drinks the Apple koolaid" as I like to tease him by saying... he keeps trying Linux on his reg PC, and it always explodes in a myriad of weird ways that no one else can duplicate

In Spain, mac users are called macbores. They look for real ale, only speak English, are old and use very expensive computers. Oh, and have a beard. Is that the case elsewhere?

I know two mac users here (Spain) and they don't fit the description. One is an absolute non-techie, bought an iMac because that way he would not have to care about viruses. He is young, has no beard, I have not seen him drink anything

¿But are they boring?

Mmm... no. One is easy going, the other "un vive la vida" :-p - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2 x86_64 "Emerald" GM (Elessar)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkxQATUACgkQU92UU+smfQVnawCeOlhwDkV8Sd8TW4ozG8FwJC24 oPwAoIob6ClXsGr4/K7bWqr/33vDlf7v =AOao -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

lynn

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¿But are they boring?

Mmm... no. One is easy going, the other "un vive la vida" :-p

¡Enhorabuena they do exist then! There is no way I could afford apple hardware. I suppose they use their apple handbags as servers for 20 client networks. My server is an old Sempron and my clients, 8 year old Dells with 512 RAM. Pass on my regards. Besos L x -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

G T Smith

08:47

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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 lynn wrote:

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A friend of mine "drinks the Apple koolaid" as I like to tease him by saying... he keeps trying Linux on his reg PC, and it always explodes in a myriad of weird ways that no one else can duplicate

In Spain, mac users are called macbores. They look for real ale, only speak English, are old and use very expensive computers. Oh, and have a beard. Is that the case elsewhere?

L x

Hmm.. having worked in an academic environment where over time everything from BBC/Atom machines to super computers were in regular (mis)use, the site MAC guru described the Apple as "the computer for people who do not like using computers". These were usually either portly ageing tweed suited humanities staff or younger dynamic arts folk (and the medics.. go figure !?) ... very few were boring and some were more than a little weird... :-) - -- ============================================================================== I have always wished that my computer would be as easy to use as my telephone. My wish has come true. I no longer know how to use my telephone. Bjarne Stroustrup ============================================================================== -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkxP7roACgkQasN0sSnLmgIPXwCfdjzel42gibLEtL9nb20C1ND6 k+oAnj0WN6xd42GlskcKf89imlfhPS6m =Zvpb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

C

09:31

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On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 10:47, G T Smith wrote:

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Hmm.. having worked in an academic environment where over time everything from BBC/Atom machines to super computers were in regular (mis)use, the site MAC guru described the Apple as "the computer for people who do not like using computers". These were usually either portly ageing tweed suited humanities staff or younger dynamic arts folk (and the medics.. go figure !?) ... very few were boring and some were more than a little weird... :-)

You want odd and a little weird.. try attending a Linux or OpenSource convention/conference :-) I don't think you can peg a Mac user any more than you can a Linux user. The world is full of all kinds of odd and interesting humans. Would be a shame if we were all "normal"... whatever that is. I think my comment about drinking the Apple koolaid was what sparked this OT thread. Just let me be clear.. this is simply something I tease my friend with when were discussing and/or working on our computers... nothing more. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

lynn

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On Wednesday 28 July 2010 10:47:55 G T Smith wrote:

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friend of mine "drinks the Apple koolaid" as I like to tease him by saying... he keeps trying Linux on his reg PC, and it always explodes in a myriad of weird ways that no one else can duplicate

In Spain, mac users are called macbores. They look for real ale, only speak English, are old and use very expensive computers. Oh, and have a beard. Is that the case elsewhere?

L x

Hmm.. having worked in an academic environment where over time everything from BBC/Atom machines to super computers were in regular (mis)use, the site MAC guru described the Apple as "the computer for people who do not like using computers". These were usually either portly ageing tweed suited humanities staff or younger dynamic arts folk (and the medics.. go figure !?) ... very few were boring and some were more than a little weird... :-)

My thread was meant as a joke. macbores tell you that apple make computers. Until they don't work. The keyboard packs up, the touch screen doesn't work, the ñ doesn't work, none of the tildes work In guarantee a guy has to be shipped in from Madrid to fix it in Alicante.(that's 500Km for US users) Then they give him a whole new computer and take the old one away. Then the next day 's' doesn't work and the mouse doesn't click. Great system. At least W7 has a helpline. L x -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Илья Черных

27 Jul 27 Jul

11:36

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That would explain why I don't have any of the 'bugs' that are described in this thread.

You simply do not notice them. Or you OK with them. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Anton Aylward

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Илья Черных said the following on 07/27/2010 07:36 AM:

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That would explain why I don't have any of the 'bugs' that are described in this thread.

You simply do not notice them. Or you OK with them.

Or I can't reproduce them so don't see them a bugs. Lets face it, from your POV there is only one bug. KDE4 is not KDE3. Now take this elsewhere, please. -- Unix *is* user friendly! You just aren't necessarily on the A-list... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Илья Черных

11:58

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Lets face it, from your POV there is only one bug. KDE4 is not KDE3.

To be precise, KDE4 is not KDE. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Rajko M.

28 Jul 28 Jul

04:05

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On Tuesday 27 July 2010 06:58:01 Илья Черных wrote:

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To be precise, KDE4 is not KDE.

Right, KDE is much more the KDE SC :) -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Basil Chupin

26 Jul 26 Jul

10:59

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On 26/07/10 20:39, Илья Черных wrote:

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First comment.. stop trying to make KDE4 into KDE3 when you're

tinkering with it. That will not work. KDE4 is NOT KDE 3.

Gnome is also not KDE3 but under Gnome all this works.

There. There is the answer. Use Gnome. So much more user friendly, Gnome. BC -- A man kept complaining about not having shoes to wear - until he saw a man with no legs. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Mike McMullin

21:17

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On Mon, 2010-07-26 at 20:59 +1000, Basil Chupin wrote:

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On 26/07/10 20:39, Илья Черных wrote:

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First comment.. stop trying to make KDE4 into KDE3 when you're

tinkering with it. That will not work. KDE4 is NOT KDE 3.

Gnome is also not KDE3 but under Gnome all this works.

There. There is the answer. Use Gnome. So much more user friendly, Gnome.

I'm not a fan of the oS branded Gnome. I hope I get classic gnome as an install choice when i kick up one install to 11.3. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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