Hi, all-- SuSE Pro, 9.3. I got KMail to look much like Eudora, which surprised me. I didn't think you could do that. I.e., the list of incoming messages appears on a screen by itself. Then if you _double_ snap on a listed message, it appears full-screen. How come I have to double snap on the message, when everything else in Linux is single? It's a bit confusing. (Eudora requires a double snap, so maybe they copied it?) I am much happier with KMail now, anyway. (Some of you know of my KMail problems in 10.0, so I regressed to 9.3. So far [just a couple of days] so good.) I asked about Thunderbird, and got it installed, but could not get any mail with it. So thanx to those who helped out, but I think I'll stick with KMail, if it continues to work out OK, now that I could fix what I considered a clumsy interface. There will be another post regarding getting the M/S fonts installed in OO. I know that's been hashed out a batch of times, but I don't remember the process. --doug
On Tuesday 17 October 2006 00:32, .Doug McGarrett said:
Hi, all--
SuSE Pro, 9.3. I got KMail to look much like Eudora, which surprised me. I didn't think you could do that. I.e., the list of incoming messages appears on a screen by itself. Then if you _double_ snap on a listed message, it appears full-screen. How come I have to double snap on the message, when everything else in Linux is single? It's a bit confusing. (Eudora requires a double snap, so maybe they copied it?) I am much happier with KMail now, anyway.
It's just the way it's implemented. If you like, file a wishlist bug at bugs.kde.org for adding a single click/snap behaviour. Then when we do a usability review of kmail next we can look at making it more consistent. PS You can get double click mode for the rest of KDE in the Mouse section of kcontrol. HTH Will
Doug, On Monday 16 October 2006 15:32, .Doug McGarrett wrote:
Hi, all--
.. How come I have to double snap on the message, when everything else in Linux is single? ...
"Everything else" does not require a double-click to activate. In KDE it's an option, whose default seems to have changed from single-click to double-click to activate / open, which I don't personally care for. I set KDE to double-click activation. (Back in the day, everything required double-click to activate while single click selected. Apple understood the value of this UI pattern. Web browsers broke it and we've been sliding away from this pattern ever since.) As far as KMail goes, you can configure the message so-called preview pane so you don't see message contents in separate windows at all, which is how I use it.
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--doug
Randall Schulz
On Thursday 26 October 2006 15:34, Randall R Schulz wrote:
"Everything else" does not require a double-click to activate. In KDE it's an option, whose default seems to have changed from single-click to double-click to activate / open, which I don't personally care for. I set KDE to double-click activation.
Just a quick tip: after using single-click for 1/2 hour or so, you'll get used to it. You'll get so used to it, in fact, that double-clicking seems downright barbaric and wasteful. In Windows i also turn on the single-click option because it's just plain painful to have to double-click when a single click will do, and clicking is probably the most common activity in a GUI environment. -- ----- stephan@s11n.net http://s11n.net "...pleasure is a grace and is not obedient to the commands of the will." -- Alan W. Watts
On Thursday 26 October 2006 9:25 am, stephan beal wrote:
On Thursday 26 October 2006 15:34, Randall R Schulz wrote:
"Everything else" does not require a double-click to activate. In KDE it's an option, whose default seems to have changed from single-click to double-click to activate / open, which I don't personally care for. I set KDE to double-click activation.
Just a quick tip: after using single-click for 1/2 hour or so, you'll get used to it. You'll get so used to it, in fact, that double-clicking seems downright barbaric and wasteful. In Windows i also turn on the single-click option because it's just plain painful to have to double-click when a single click will do, and clicking is probably the most common activity in a GUI environment.
Agreed. In fact, I like the single-click implementation in KDE better that in Doze, but definitely single-click. And as long as we're on the subject, one other thing that I find EXTREMELY usefull that ~isn't~ implemented in Doze, and seems invaluable now that I'm used to it is the ALT-Click window functionality. When you hold the ALT key down, the application inside the windows won't get ANY of the mouse events, instead the window manager does (KDE). What the window manager does is if the left mouse button is pressed (while holding down the ALT key), is move the entire window, no matter where the mouse is positioned. No need to grab the title bar. The right button will resize the window. Where the curser is when you press the right button determines whether the window is sized horizontally or vertically or both. FYI B-)
On Thursday 26 October 2006 17:36, Brad Bourn wrote:
Agreed. In fact, I like the single-click implementation in KDE better that in Doze, but definitely single-click.
In Doze this feature was an odd-on kludge, and therefor it's a bit quirky. It's not as well-integrated into the environment as it is in KDE.
And as long as we're on the subject, one other thing that I find EXTREMELY usefull that ~isn't~ implemented in Doze, and seems invaluable now that I'm used to it is the ALT-Click window functionality. When you hold the ALT key down, the application ... need to grab the title bar. The right button will resize the window. Where the curser is when you press the right button determines whether the window is sized horizontally or vertically or both.
This has been around in KDE since at least 4 years, and other window managers have also implemented it (e.g., WindowMaker does it). For me is one of the most comfortable features of the window manager. There are two features i really miss when i must work under Windows: a) The alt/mouse moving/resizing of windows. b) The ability to wheel-scroll an arbitrary window or scrolling UI control without having to bring it to the front. In Doze you have to explicitely give that control focus before you can scroll it with the wheel. There is an "X-mouse-mode" add-on for Windows, but (again) it's an add-on kludge and doesn't work as nearly nicely as that feature under X11. Those may seem small, but they make a huge difference once you're used to having them. -- ----- stephan@s11n.net http://s11n.net "...pleasure is a grace and is not obedient to the commands of the will." -- Alan W. Watts
On Friday 27 October 2006 3:23 am, stephan beal wrote:
There are two features i really miss when i must work under Windows:
a) The alt/mouse moving/resizing of windows.
b) The ability to wheel-scroll an arbitrary window or scrolling UI control without having to bring it to the front. In Doze you have to explicitely give that control focus before you can scroll it with the wheel. There is an "X-mouse-mode" add-on for Windows, but (again) it's an add-on kludge and doesn't work as nearly nicely as that feature under X11.
c) "Focus follows mouse", I can be typing into a background terminal, while reading from the man page in the foreground. d) Centre click the titlebar to send a window to the back. Still haven't figured out how to get that on a Mac and it frustrates me. e) Multiple desktops is much better integrated in X than any of the add-ons for Mac or Windows, but it still needs more work. (to tie an application to a desktop) X rocks. -- Michael James michael.james@csiro.au System Administrator voice: 02 6246 5040 CSIRO Bioinformatics Facility fax: 02 6246 5166 No matter how much you pay for software, you always get less than you hoped. Unless you pay nothing, then you get more.
Stephan, On Thursday 26 October 2006 08:25, stephan beal wrote:
On Thursday 26 October 2006 15:34, Randall R Schulz wrote:
"Everything else" does not require a double-click to activate. In KDE it's an option, whose default seems to have changed from single-click to double-click to activate / open, which I don't personally care for. I set KDE to double-click activation.
Just a quick tip: after using single-click for 1/2 hour or so, you'll get used to it.
Doubtful. I often want to select an icon without activating it. Randall Schulz
On Thursday 26 October 2006 10:43 am, Randall R Schulz wrote:
Stephan,
On Thursday 26 October 2006 08:25, stephan beal wrote:
On Thursday 26 October 2006 15:34, Randall R Schulz wrote:
"Everything else" does not require a double-click to activate. In KDE it's an option, whose default seems to have changed from single-click to double-click to activate / open, which I don't personally care for. I set KDE to double-click activation.
Just a quick tip: after using single-click for 1/2 hour or so, you'll get used to it.
Doubtful. I often want to select an icon without activating it.
This is just as easy with single-click enabled. Once the icon is highlighted, simply CTRL-click it to leave it with focus, and without selection. To each their own. Go with what works for you. FYI B-)
On Thursday 26 October 2006 18:43, Randall R Schulz wrote:
Doubtful. I often want to select an icon without activating it.
Ctrl-click -- ----- stephan@s11n.net http://s11n.net "...pleasure is a grace and is not obedient to the commands of the will." -- Alan W. Watts
On Thursday 26 October 2006 12:43, Randall R Schulz wrote:
Just a quick tip: after using single-click for 1/2 hour or so, you'll get used to it.
Doubtful. I often want to select an icon without activating it.
You still can. In Windows (with single-click turned on), hover on the icon without clicking. That will select it. In KDE if I only want to select, not activate, what I like to do is drag a square around the icon (the same motion one might use to highlight a block of text or select a portion of a graphic for cropping). This is also great for selecting a group of icons. Bryan *************************************** Powered by Kubuntu Linux 6.06 KDE 3.5.2 KMail 1.9.1 This is a Microsoft-free computer Bryan S. Tyson bryantyson@earthlink.net ***************************************
Randall R Schulz wrote:
Stephan,
On Thursday 26 October 2006 08:25, stephan beal wrote:
On Thursday 26 October 2006 15:34, Randall R Schulz wrote:
"Everything else" does not require a double-click to activate. In KDE it's an option, whose default seems to have changed from single-click to double-click to activate / open, which I don't personally care for. I set KDE to double-click activation. Just a quick tip: after using single-click for 1/2 hour or so, you'll get used to it.
Doubtful. I often want to select an icon without activating it.
<Ctrl> Click
On Thursday 26 October 2006 11:58, James Knott wrote:
...
Just a quick tip: after using single-click for 1/2 hour or so, you'll get used to it.
Doubtful. I often want to select an icon without activating it.
<Ctrl> Click
Enough! I got it. And I'm not planning on changing 'cause there's no reason _to_ change. RRS
On Thursday 26 October 2006 07:25, stephan beal wrote:
Just a quick tip: after using single-click for 1/2 hour or so, you'll get used to it. You'll get so used to it, in fact, that double-clicking seems downright barbaric and wasteful.
Boy ain't that the truth. And when I have to copy something in windows I simply select it , and then curse because does nothing, Then I curse again when my second copy overlays my first one because there is no Klipper.... -- _____________________________________ John Andersen
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Will Stephenson