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The obvious cantenders for virtualization are: VMware, VirtualBox and Xen (KVM/QEMU does not suitable because it lacks guest OS video acceleration).

Can Xen handle OS-heterogenous virtualization? I thought the guest had to be Linux, as well.

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It's been a year or two back, but Parallels was very stable for me. I see they've won several awards this year, perhaps it should be on your candidate list...? Tom in NM On Wed, 2007-12-19 at 21:10 -0500, Greg Freemyer wrote:

On Dec 19, 2007 5:25 PM, Andrei Verovski (aka MacGuru) wrote:

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Hi !

I have a tough choice. Client have an Intel-based Quad-Core PC with SuSE 10.3, and time to time (~1 - 1.5 hours day) needs Win XP with Adobe Photoshop, InDesign, Dreamveawer and some weird video editing programs. He does not want to reboot he;s workstation in "clean" WinXP-only mode.

The obvious cantenders for virtualization are: VMware, VirtualBox and Xen (KVM/QEMU does not suitable because it lacks guest OS video acceleration).

The question is - which of these virtualization solutions will offer best performance, especially in terms of graphic/video screen redraw, sound latency, and 3D graphic ?

Thanks in advance for any suggestion(s).

As to VMware: The free version, VMware Server, is NOT optimized for desktop use. It works, but not the way you're describing. You would need to consider VMware Workstation and I don't have any experience with that.

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On Wed, 2007-12-19 at 20:38 -0800, Joe Sloan wrote:

Tom Patton wrote:

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It's been a year or two back, but Parallels was very stable for me. I see they've won several awards this year, perhaps it should be on your candidate list...?

Just a war story, feel free to disregard -

I checked out parallels, which I noticed was at version 3.0 for mac, and only at version 2.2 for linux. It installed OK, but it made my otherwise solid suse 10.3 machine quite unstable. It could not get through an install of a guest OS - I tried xp and suse 9.3 more than once. Each time the result was a system hang. I can only surmise that the kernel modules inserted by parallels were bad mojo, so I gave up on parallels.

I next tried vmware workstation, which in contrast was rock solid. I played quake, listened to music and browsed the web as expee was installing, and expee appeared to run perfectly after the install.

Just some data points for your consideration.

Joe Good to know, Joe. I was using it for XP on top of 9.3...but haven't needed it since back then. I was wondering why there was no chatter about it recently on the list...perhaps experiences such as yours is why...

BTW, after I wrote my post, I called another guy at work (a machead), and he said he moved from Parallels to VMware on his mac about 6 months ago... I also recall now that it would set the taint flag on the kernel, and made upgrades difficult. Such is life, I guess. Forget I mentioned it ;-) Tom -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Thursday 20 December 2007 07:27, Eberhard Roloff wrote:

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However, as VMware Server will move away from being a desktop virtualization substitution to vmware workstation with the upcoming version 2, I would suggest to use VirtualBox, instead.

This raises a question for me. One significant down-side with VMware (hardly a show-stopper, but clearly sub-optimal) is the need to rebuild its kernel modules every time you upgrade your Linux kernel. Is the same true for VirtualBox?

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However with any virtualiuzation solution, imho you will need to say goodbye to any serious dreams of 3D-performance.

As I suspected.

Kind regards Eberhard

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Randall R Schulz wrote:

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This raises a question for me. One significant down-side with VMware (hardly a show-stopper, but clearly sub-optimal) is the need to rebuild its kernel modules every time you upgrade your Linux kernel.

Is the same true for VirtualBox?

AFAIK Yes

(and usb is not available for free version)

jdd

For 10.3 add the build-service VirtualBox repo and the kernel module will be in there, so there is no need to rebuild the module yourself. And you can download (for free) and install the non-oss version from http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads for (AFAIR) USB support as long as it is for personal or educational use. -- Ken Schneider SuSe since Version 5.2, June 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Ken Schneider wrote:

jdd pecked at the keyboard and wrote:

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Randall R Schulz wrote:

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This raises a question for me. One significant down-side with VMware (hardly a show-stopper, but clearly sub-optimal) is the need to rebuild its kernel modules every time you upgrade your Linux kernel.

Is the same true for VirtualBox? AFAIK Yes

(and usb is not available for free version)

jdd

For 10.3 add the build-service VirtualBox repo and the kernel module will be in there, so there is no need to rebuild the module yourself. And you can download (for free) and install the non-oss version from http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads for (AFAIR) USB support as long as it is for personal or educational use.

I will try this thanks jdd -- http://www.dodin.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Sunny wrote:

On Dec 20, 2007 9:27 AM, Eberhard Roloff wrote:

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However, as VMware Server will move away from being a desktop virtualization substitution to vmware workstation with the upcoming version 2, I would suggest to use virtualbox, instead.

Can you provide some more information about where VMware server 2.0 is heading to? Links, or summary? What is the meaning of "move away from being a desktop virtualization substitution"?

Thanks

Just one that I have momentarily available. If you need more, you either need to speak german or need to wail a little longer: VMware Server Episode 2.0: The Revenge of the Web UI http://www.linux-mag.com/id/4403 Afaik, registration is needed for reading it. If you do not like that, mail to me by PM and I'll send you a pdf of the article. Kind regards Eberhard -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Dec 20, 2007 10:27 AM, Eberhard Roloff wrote:

Greg Freemyer wrote:

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On Dec 19, 2007 5:25 PM, Andrei Verovski (aka MacGuru) wrote:

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Hi !

I have a tough choice. Client have an Intel-based Quad-Core PC with SuSE 10.3, and time to time (~1 - 1.5 hours day) needs Win XP with Adobe Photoshop, InDesign, Dreamveawer and some weird video editing programs. He does not want to reboot he;s workstation in "clean" WinXP-only mode.

The obvious cantenders for virtualization are: VMware, VirtualBox and Xen (KVM/QEMU does not suitable because it lacks guest OS video acceleration).

The question is - which of these virtualization solutions will offer best performance, especially in terms of graphic/video screen redraw, sound latency, and 3D graphic ?

Thanks in advance for any suggestion(s).

As to VMware: The free version, VMware Server, is NOT optimized for desktop use. It works, but not the way you're describing. You would need to consider VMware Workstation and I don't have any experience with that.

VMware workstation works great but not better than the free (as in beer) VMware Server. Even if it is "not optimized" (whatever that means, it simply works.

However, as VMware Server will move away from being a desktop virtualization substitution to vmware workstation with the upcoming version 2, I would suggest to use virtualbox, instead.

This IS a desktop virtualization product, it is free, rediculously easy to setup and it just works like vmware workstation, at least imho.

However with any virtualiuzation solution, imho you will need to say goodbye to any serious dreams of 3D-performance.

Does that really have to be the case though? With XEN, your able to isolate physical pci slots to a virtual machine. Why couldn't he just put a 2nd Vid card in, that's dedicated to the virtual machine? He could go even further, put a usb card in another slot, and a network card too. Setup a 2nd monitor, mouse, and keyboard, and you have a 2nd workstation that's there whenever you need it! I haven't ran any 3D intensive app's within a virtual machine or anything, but if it's isolated hardware, logically, I can't see any reason for issues. My .02 Mike

Kind regards Eberhard

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virtualbox is better than vmware, i ve tried it more light n fast. u should read alexey eremenko for the installation tutorial search on google "lessons4lizards-fop.pdf" viva virtualbox

On Dec 19, 2007 5:25 PM, Andrei Verovski (aka MacGuru) wrote:

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Hi !

I have a tough choice. Client have an Intel-based Quad-Core PC with SuSE 10.3, and time to time (~1 - 1.5 hours day) needs Win XP with Adobe Photoshop, InDesign, Dreamveawer and some weird video editing programs. He does not want to reboot he;s workstation in "clean" WinXP-only mode.

The obvious cantenders for virtualization are: VMware, VirtualBox and Xen (KVM/QEMU does not suitable because it lacks guest OS video acceleration).

The question is - which of these virtualization solutions will offer best performance, especially in terms of graphic/video screen redraw, sound latency, and 3D graphic ?

Thanks in advance for any suggestion(s).

As to VMware: The free version, VMware Server, is NOT optimized for desktop use. It works, but not the way you're describing. You would need to consider VMware Workstation and I don't have any experience with that.

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