On Jan 19 2007 20:27, J Sloan wrote:

StephenW wrote:

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From a technical suppport person in an eduational setting:

http://kumaryu.wordpress.com/2006/12/22/linux-will-never-overtake-windows-it...

There are plenty of fools at educational institutions, unfortunately.

The statement "Linux will never overtake Windwos" is quite valid - though it now depends on how much Vista is going to suck. But looking back at the last 10 years, there will probably another 10 of Windows dominancy, "sponsored" mostly by longterm newbies sticking to XP/etc. Well, compare it to the middle age or whatever: a bunch of pawns that do not really care about what bad the aristocracy does as long as they are not unhappy. -`J' -- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Maybe you misunderstand me... what I am saying is that this email group is setup for SUSE users to post issues they are having to solicit solutions or workarounds from other community members. I am simply stating that the original poster, StephenW, is posting an URL for a FUD piece in this group. I am drawing attention that you have to really be insecure if you go out of your way to post a hit piece to make yourself feel better, (Not You, StephenW) You simply replied snipping everything and placing "<expletives deleted>" in response to the original post. From what I can gather, we are on the same page with regards to the comment that "Linux will never overtake Windows". Again, I just find it interesting that someone needs to go to such lengths. That is like me flying to Redmond, getting a job with MS, or getting ingratiate into their "inner circle" just so I can jab at them how badly they suck.... It's pointless.... So what is the issue with my observation? That it's OT? Hardly a faux pau with what I have nearly worn out my delete key over on a daily basis... If it's me misunderstanding your comments, then I apologize, but email does not adequately express tone... Good Day. On Sat, 2007-01-20 at 01:32 -0600, Darryl Gregorash wrote:

On 2007-01-20 00:59, Clark P. Case wrote:

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Definite Troll,

But I wonder.... if you believe this, why are you so worried.... I'm not worried about a damn thing, Clark. Perhaps you could give some example from all this of a "problem" that needs a "solution".

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On Sat, 2007-01-20 at 11:14 +0200, Alexey Eremenko wrote:

Well, this article point at two well-known problems: cross-distro packaging and cross-distro compatibility. Those problems are old as a linux world. Which doesn't prevents my father and mother use Linux successfully.

Isn't this one of the problems with Unix itself? Tweaks here and there causing compatibility issues?

There are many solutions that try to solve both problems (such as Autopackage and klik), but the most serious undertake is the LSB, The Linux Standards Base.

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As the original poster perhaps I should have added a bit of explaination for posting. So, I shall. I also work as a technical support person in an educational setting that is moving away from a "mixed platform" to a Windows only scenario. The mixed platform came about way back when the local school had choice. The district in now in charge of all hardware decisions. I began two years ago working with Mac (OS 8.0 thru 10.3.8) and Windows (95 thru WindowsXP SP2). Thanks be that in the last year the decision was made that I am no longer expected to keep everything working. What is left are the Macs running 9.2 or better and only the machines running XP - eventually all Macs are scheduled for replacement. I doubt I need to go into the problems I face working with machines that come with the user having administrator privileges... and even worse not being able to remove them because some of the programs need those privileges to function. This is especially onerous when teachers go away and leave computers running in that mode and students have access - you can guess some of the consequences. I keep looking for OSS programs that will do the same thing as the MS based programs and have installed a couple of them (e.g., Firefox and OpenOffice). I am afraid it is a losing battle since more and more companies are only writting educational software for Mac or MS. One example is seen in our district deciding to install ActivBoards in every classroom in the district (a multi-million dollar action). It is a great piece of technology but more firmly locks the sytem to MS (or Mac). Not to mention the use of SmartWeb and Excent (online tools for teachers' records and reporting) written specifically for Windows - and jury rigged to function somewhat on a Mac. Look as I may there is no way this kind of software can be countered. It appears that in spite of my desire to see OSS make more inroads it is not going to happen in the desktop application arena. Or, there any clout in a group like this to do anything - except solve our own problems in our own little worlds? StephenW PS I am still a novice in my pursuit of understanding and using linux - including lists such as this. The one LUG in my area fell apart sometime ago. I need to look about to see if they have been revived. --- "Clark P. Case" wrote:

Maybe you misunderstand me... what I am saying is that this email group is setup for SUSE users to post issues they are having to solicit solutions or workarounds from other community members.

I am simply stating that the original poster, StephenW, is posting an URL for a FUD piece in this group. I am drawing attention that you have to really be insecure if you go out of your way to post a hit piece to make yourself feel better, (Not You, StephenW)

You simply replied snipping everything and placing "<expletives deleted>" in response to the original post. From what I can gather, we are on the same page with regards to the comment that "Linux will never overtake Windows".

Again, I just find it interesting that someone needs to go to such lengths. That is like me flying to Redmond, getting a job with MS, or getting ingratiate into their "inner circle" just so I can jab at them how badly they suck.... It's pointless....

So what is the issue with my observation? That it's OT? Hardly a faux pau with what I have nearly worn out my delete key over on a daily basis... If it's me misunderstanding your comments, then I apologize, but email does not adequately express tone...

Good Day.

On Sat, 2007-01-20 at 01:32 -0600, Darryl Gregorash wrote:

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On 2007-01-20 00:59, Clark P. Case wrote:

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Definite Troll,

But I wonder.... if you believe this, why are you so worried.... I'm not worried about a damn thing, Clark. Perhaps you could give some example from all this of a "problem" that needs a "solution".

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On Saturday 20 January 2007 07:02, StephenW wrote:

As the original poster perhaps I should have added a bit of explaination for posting. So, I shall.

Get subscribed to the opensuse-offtopic list and post this nonsense there. Thanks, Stan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

I have heard from my friend who wrote the blog. FLAMERS is too soft of a word for some of you who posted to his blog. The use of obscenity and profanity was outrageous. I am embarrassed (nay, chagrined) and humiliated by most of the responses that were sent to him. It is true I am not a great lover of MS but it works - for the most part. The tone of most of the responses on this list were "he is correct" in his assessment of the case MS v linux. Too bad that attitude did not carry over to direct replies to his blog. I like working with linux at home, but it would be a real pain trying to keep up with all the problems I would have if it were in the school. My job as a school tech support person will be much easier when the switch to all MS is complete. This multi-platform situation is a real hassle. I doubt it will happen, but I would that some of you who were less than courteous in your reply to his blog would return there with an apology. (I guess FLAMERS don't do that, do they?) StephenW -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

You are correct, I have not apologized for that. I do apologize for that. I forgot there was an OT list and that is where it should have been posted. I have checked and found that list does still exist - though there is little activity there - and have since posted there. Therefore, listers, accept my apology for posting an OT topic to this a serious and focused problem solving forum. StephenW --- Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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I doubt it will happen, but I would that some of you who were less than courteous in your reply to his blog would return there with an apology. (I guess FLAMERS don't do that, do they?)

Apparently. You have yet appologized for bringing this OT discussion to the list!

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On Sun, 2007-01-21 at 04:15 -0800, StephenW wrote:

I have heard from my friend who wrote the blog.

FLAMERS is too soft of a word for some of you who posted to his blog. The use of obscenity and profanity was outrageous.

I am embarrassed (nay, chagrined) and humiliated by most of the responses that were sent to him.

It is true I am not a great lover of MS but it works - for the most part. The tone of most of the responses on this list were "he is correct" in his assessment of the case MS v linux. Too bad that attitude did not carry over to direct replies to his blog.

I like working with linux at home, but it would be a real pain trying to keep up with all the problems I would have if it were in the school. My job as a school tech support person will be much easier when the switch to all MS is complete. This multi-platform situation is a real hassle.

Real hassle? It is what takes place in the "real world". Large companies don't have just one platform to support which is why schools do their students a disservice when they limit them to one platform to learn. -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Saturday 20 January 2007 13:52, StephenW wrote:

Note to Bob:

I seem to always want to learn another linux trick or two. So, I wanted to see what you had at http://bhf.demon.co.uk/linux/tricks.html.

Could not get there until I added "www." before the "bhf". Also, when I click on the Vahis@waxborg link it stays in the narow column on the left and I cannot read it (so I am still curious).

SW

Oops. Thanks Stephen. Actually, my own contributions there are very early and faltering, but I shall mend the loading of external links, as they are better value. -- Bob SuSE Linux 10.2, KDE 3.5.5 http://www.bhf.demon.co.uk/linux/tricks.html -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

- it's true that you can install whatever you want but after a while the installs/unistall makes your system very unstable. Many of my friends complain that they have to reinstall the whole system frequently (2-4 times a year).

Some "major" Linux updates are painfull. I remember a hard FC3 -> FC4 I had to make on a dedicated server (SSH only). I dont know if it's the same under Windows: is W2k -> W2k3 very easy? Is it just about Next-Next-Next-Next-(Agree)-Finish? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org