RE: [SLE] NVidia +Sax2 +GLX - Cannot enable 3D - Follow-up - comp iling from source
I don't think I've had it working before. I am a relative newbie to linux having played with various distros since SuSE 6.1. However, 3 months ago I quit M$ Windows for good and committed to SuSE 8.0. I am basically happy with the installation for everyday use but in order to persuade the family that linux is a suitable gaming environment I do need to enable hardware 3D acceleration. As it stands now I have been through various checklists for installation to no avail and am left with 2 options 1. Compile from source 2. Give up and try another vendor. Economics and my personal fondness for fettling dictate that I try to compile the source drivers. Again I've hit another wall in that although I have installed the source packages: `make install` within the NVIDIA_kernel directory fails with missing headers (auto.h) and `make cloneconfig` fails with a message indicating there is no definition of cloneconfig within Makefile Can anyone explain how to enable `make cloneconfig` and/or compile the source NVidia drivers? what is this "gears" program that I've seen mentioned for testing 3D performance? P.S. you may have noticed the email address is different. This is at work - the easiest way to reach me during office hours (BST) -- Regards, Sylvanus A. Currie WMP Technical: Data Migration NETS: 777-2423 PSTN: +44 (0) 1452 65 2423 Home: +44 (0) 1902 35 3166 O2: +44 (0) 77 5253 4452 And it came to pass that GOD's wife said unto HIM: "Did I not tell THEE it would all end in tears?!" -----Original Message----- From: Z_God [mailto:zeldario@wanadoo.nl] Sent: Monday, 26 August 2002 11.10 To: suse-linux-e@suse.com Subject: Re: [SLE] NVidia +Sax2 +GLX - Cannot enable 3D Weird problem, have you ever had it working before (other distro, older driver)? Maybe you could try an older driver from the NVidia ftp site. You should also try mailing NVidia about the problem. Op zondag 25 augustus 2002 18:31, schreef suse:
Yes, linux:~ # rpm -qg NVIDIA group NVIDIA does not contain any packages linux:~ # rpm -q NVIDIA_kernel NVIDIA_kernel-1.0-2960 linux:~ # rpm -q NVIDIA_GLX NVIDIA_GLX-1.0-2960 linux:~ # <snip>
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Currie Sylvanus wrote:
I don't think I've had it working before.
I am a relative newbie to linux having played with various distros since SuSE 6.1. However, 3 months ago I quit M$ Windows for good and committed to SuSE 8.0.
I am basically happy with the installation for everyday use but in order to persuade the family that linux is a suitable gaming environment I do need to enable hardware 3D acceleration.
As it stands now I have been through various checklists for installation to no avail and am left with 2 options 1. Compile from source 2. Give up and try another vendor.
Economics and my personal fondness for fettling dictate that I try to compile the source drivers. Again I've hit another wall in that although I have installed the source packages: `make install` within the NVIDIA_kernel directory fails with missing headers (auto.h)
You don't have the kernel sources installed and built correctly.
and `make cloneconfig` fails with a message indicating there is no definition of cloneconfig within Makefile
make cloneconfig is only a SuSE kernel thing to be done from the SuSE kernel source tree not from the NVIDIA stuff.
Can anyone explain how to enable `make cloneconfig` and/or compile the source NVidia drivers?
See above.
what is this "gears" program that I've seen mentioned for testing 3D performance?
It's just a little 3d benchmark pgm that displays a set of grears turning and tells you at what FPS rate it is being displayed. Regards Mark
On Tuesday 27 August 2002 04:51, Currie Sylvanus wrote:
I don't think I've had it working before.
I am a relative newbie to linux having played with various distros since SuSE 6.1. However, 3 months ago I quit M$ Windows for good and committed to SuSE 8.0.
I am basically happy with the installation for everyday use but in order to persuade the family that linux is a suitable gaming environment I do need to enable hardware 3D acceleration.
I see a lot of messages on issues using nVidia drivers. Prior to 8.0 I had problems getting it configured myself. Since Suse's 8.0 fresh install, then a online update with Yast to fetch the drivers I've had no problems. I am not a gamer so I can't tell you if there are problems or config issues with this card in games. If you run 3Diag it would give you a message like this Verifying 3D configuration based on XFree86 4 for 3D board "nVidia Coorporation GeForce3_1 (10de@0201)": Tests for package "NVIDIA_kernel": package ... done. package files ... done. Tests for package "NVIDIA_GLX": package ... done. package files ... done. Tests for correct OpenGL libraries/GLX extensions: Symbolic Links ... done. /etc/sysconfig/3ddiag (SCRIPT_3D=switch2nvidia_glx) ... done. Test for correct XFree86 version ... done. Tests for XFree86 configuration: Config File /etc/X11/XF86Config ... done. Driver ... done. --------------------------------------------- If you run Gears it gives you the frame rate per second, I get this on mine. I don't know how it rates up with others cards but maybe someone else can tell you what a good rate should be? Mainly all I know is that I can watch tv and an ocassional dvd I'm a happy camper. 22682 frames in 5.000 seconds = 4536.400 FPS 22861 frames in 5.000 seconds = 4572.200 FPS 22877 frames in 5.000 seconds = 4575.400 FPS 22888 frames in 5.000 seconds = 4577.600 FPS 22876 frames in 5.000 seconds = 4575.200 FPS 22883 frames in 5.000 seconds = 4576.600 FPS 22868 frames in 5.000 seconds = 4573.600 FPS 22885 frames in 5.000 seconds = 4577.000 FPS 22886 frames in 5.000 seconds = 4577.200 FPS 22889 frames in 5.000 seconds = 4577.800 FPS 22888 frames in 5.000 seconds = 4577.600 FPS 22862 frames in 5.000 seconds = 4572.400 FPS John "Two roads diverged in a wood, and I -- I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference." -- Robert Frost
* Currie Sylvanus (sylvanus.currie@british-energy.com) [020827 02:00]: ::However, 3 months ago I quit M$ Windows for good and committed to SuSE 8.0. Great! Welcome aboard..glad you don't have to split time anymore. :) ::I am basically happy with the installation for everyday use but in order to ::persuade the family that linux is a suitable gaming environment I do need to ::enable hardware 3D acceleration. Of course..all the neat stuff coming out is 3D :) :: ::As it stands now :: I have been through various checklists for installation to no avail ::and am left with 2 options :: 1. Compile from source :: 2. Give up and try another vendor. I would go with #2...I would get an ATI video card. When your talking about $50-80 for another distribution or just another video card that actually works. I would go with the video card. Mainly because the common problem seems to be the crappy nVidia drivers that they've released over the last 2-3 builds. I've read Mandrake, RH and other newsgroups and a common theme is "I'm having problems with the nVidia drivers..how do I fix this." ::Economics and my personal fondness for fettling dictate that I try to ::compile the source drivers. ::Again I've hit another wall in that although I have installed the source ::packages: The nVidia tar.gz files are not compilable source code. You get no headers and can not modify them in anyway with the acception of linking them to the current running kernel. :: `make install` within the NVIDIA_kernel directory fails with missing ::headers (auto.h) ::and You need to have automake and autoconf installed along with the kernel source that matches your current running kernel. :: `make cloneconfig` fails with a message indicating there is no ::definition of cloneconfig within Makefile This is a SuSE specific script for the kernel only. You won't find this in any other src tarball. ::Can anyone explain how to enable `make cloneconfig` and/or compile the ::source NVidia drivers? See above answers. ::what is this "gears" program that I've seen mentioned for testing 3D You can use glxgears to see what kind of preformance your getting or you if you just want to know if 3D and Direct Rendering are enabled you can use glxinfo to find this out. Again, don't drop SuSE. For just about equal money you can drop nVidia and grab an ATI Radeon 7500 card. And Yes..I've run Quake3, UT and many other 3D games with this. I've also used Astronomy software that requires GLX enabled...and it works perfectly with the Radeon 7500. :) Cheers! And I hope you stick with SuSE...and choose a card with true Open Source drivers. :) -- Ben Rosenberg ---===---===---===--- mailto:ben@whack.org Tell me what you believe.. I tell you what you should see.
Ben, I just ran gears on my Geforce 3 ti500. I was wondering how the figures compare to the ATI. 23116 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4623.200 FPS 23253 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4650.600 FPS 22173 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4434.600 FPS 22418 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4483.600 FPS 23085 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4617.000 FPS 20254 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4050.800 FPS 22371 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4474.200 FPS 23593 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4718.600 FPS 23597 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4719.400 FPS 23338 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4667.600 FPS TIA Henry On Tuesday 27 August 2002 21:20, Ben Rosenberg wrote:
* Currie Sylvanus (sylvanus.currie@british-energy.com) [020827 02:00]: ::However, 3 months ago I quit M$ Windows for good and committed to SuSE :: 8.0.
Great! Welcome aboard..glad you don't have to split time anymore. :)
::I am basically happy with the installation for everyday use but in order :: to persuade the family that linux is a suitable gaming environment I do :: need to enable hardware 3D acceleration.
Of course..all the neat stuff coming out is 3D :)
::As it stands now :: I have been through various checklists for installation to no avail ::and am left with 2 options :: 1. Compile from source :: 2. Give up and try another vendor.
I would go with #2...I would get an ATI video card. When your talking about $50-80 for another distribution or just another video card that actually works. I would go with the video card. Mainly because the common problem seems to be the crappy nVidia drivers that they've released over the last 2-3 builds. I've read Mandrake, RH and other newsgroups and a common theme is "I'm having problems with the nVidia drivers..how do I fix this."
::Economics and my personal fondness for fettling dictate that I try to ::compile the source drivers. ::Again I've hit another wall in that although I have installed the source ::packages:
The nVidia tar.gz files are not compilable source code. You get no headers and can not modify them in anyway with the acception of linking them to the current running kernel.
:: `make install` within the NVIDIA_kernel directory fails with missing ::headers (auto.h) ::and
You need to have automake and autoconf installed along with the kernel source that matches your current running kernel.
:: `make cloneconfig` fails with a message indicating there is no ::definition of cloneconfig within Makefile
This is a SuSE specific script for the kernel only. You won't find this in any other src tarball.
::Can anyone explain how to enable `make cloneconfig` and/or compile the ::source NVidia drivers?
See above answers.
::what is this "gears" program that I've seen mentioned for testing 3D
You can use glxgears to see what kind of preformance your getting or you if you just want to know if 3D and Direct Rendering are enabled you can use glxinfo to find this out.
Again, don't drop SuSE. For just about equal money you can drop nVidia and grab an ATI Radeon 7500 card. And Yes..I've run Quake3, UT and many other 3D games with this. I've also used Astronomy software that requires GLX enabled...and it works perfectly with the Radeon 7500. :)
Cheers! And I hope you stick with SuSE...and choose a card with true Open Source drivers. :)
-- When I discovered Linux I also discovered that I didn't need Microsoft anymore. SuSE 8.0 Linux user # 95851
* h g (egretlures@kricket.net) [020827 20:12]: ::Ben, :: ::I just ran gears on my Geforce 3 ti500. I was wondering how the figures ::compare to the ATI. :: ::23116 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4623.200 FPS ::23253 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4650.600 FPS ::22173 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4434.600 FPS ::22418 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4483.600 FPS ::23085 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4617.000 FPS ::20254 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4050.800 FPS ::22371 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4474.200 FPS ::23593 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4718.600 FPS ::23597 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4719.400 FPS ::23338 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4667.600 FPS Well twice as good as the Diamond Viper 770 Ultra I had and about 1/2 of the above. But with 10% of the hairpulling, painstaking ..inexplicable problems. :) You have to understand..I put very little into benchmarks. As long as the games I have run quickly for me and I don't sit down and my computer and get crytic "I am not gonna run for you today..nanananana! :P " messages from X. That's worth more to me. :) Cheers! And maybe I'll try nVidia again in the future when they open source the spec to their cards. Which if all the predictions of ATI's 9700 are true..then we just might see that happen. BTW...I've got a 7500 which is equal to the GeForce2. The ATI 8500 is the release that is suppose to be on par with the GeForce3. :) -- Ben Rosenberg ---===---===---===--- mailto:ben@whack.org Tell me what you believe.. I tell you what you should see.
Can you show us gears running full screen ? Brian Marr On Wednesday 28 August 2002 12:41, h g wrote:
Ben,
I just ran gears on my Geforce 3 ti500. I was wondering how the figures compare to the ATI.
23116 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4623.200 FPS 23253 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4650.600 FPS 22173 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4434.600 FPS 22418 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4483.600 FPS 23085 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4617.000 FPS 20254 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4050.800 FPS 22371 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4474.200 FPS 23593 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4718.600 FPS 23597 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4719.400 FPS 23338 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4667.600 FPS
TIA
Henry
On Tuesday 27 August 2002 21:20, Ben Rosenberg wrote:
* Currie Sylvanus (sylvanus.currie@british-energy.com) [020827 02:00]: ::However, 3 months ago I quit M$ Windows for good and committed to SuSE :: 8.0.
Great! Welcome aboard..glad you don't have to split time anymore. :)
::I am basically happy with the installation for everyday use but in :: order to persuade the family that linux is a suitable gaming :: environment I do need to enable hardware 3D acceleration.
Of course..all the neat stuff coming out is 3D :)
::As it stands now :: I have been through various checklists for installation to no avail ::and am left with 2 options :: 1. Compile from source :: 2. Give up and try another vendor.
I would go with #2...I would get an ATI video card. When your talking about $50-80 for another distribution or just another video card that actually works. I would go with the video card. Mainly because the common problem seems to be the crappy nVidia drivers that they've released over the last 2-3 builds. I've read Mandrake, RH and other newsgroups and a common theme is "I'm having problems with the nVidia drivers..how do I fix this."
::Economics and my personal fondness for fettling dictate that I try to ::compile the source drivers. ::Again I've hit another wall in that although I have installed the :: source packages:
The nVidia tar.gz files are not compilable source code. You get no headers and can not modify them in anyway with the acception of linking them to the current running kernel.
:: `make install` within the NVIDIA_kernel directory fails with missing ::headers (auto.h) ::and
You need to have automake and autoconf installed along with the kernel source that matches your current running kernel.
:: `make cloneconfig` fails with a message indicating there is no ::definition of cloneconfig within Makefile
This is a SuSE specific script for the kernel only. You won't find this in any other src tarball.
::Can anyone explain how to enable `make cloneconfig` and/or compile the ::source NVidia drivers?
See above answers.
::what is this "gears" program that I've seen mentioned for testing 3D
You can use glxgears to see what kind of preformance your getting or you if you just want to know if 3D and Direct Rendering are enabled you can use glxinfo to find this out.
Again, don't drop SuSE. For just about equal money you can drop nVidia and grab an ATI Radeon 7500 card. And Yes..I've run Quake3, UT and many other 3D games with this. I've also used Astronomy software that requires GLX enabled...and it works perfectly with the Radeon 7500. :)
Cheers! And I hope you stick with SuSE...and choose a card with true Open Source drivers. :)
On Wednesday 28 August 2002 00:57, Brian Marr wrote:
Can you show us gears running full screen ? Brian Marr
On Wednesday 28 August 2002 12:41, h g wrote:
Ben,
I just ran gears on my Geforce 3 ti500. I was wondering how the figures compare to the ATI.
23116 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4623.200 FPS 23253 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4650.600 FPS 22173 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4434.600 FPS 22418 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4483.600 FPS 23085 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4617.000 FPS 20254 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4050.800 FPS 22371 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4474.200 FPS 23593 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4718.600 FPS 23597 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4719.400 FPS 23338 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4667.600 FPS
I'm running 1280x1024 16 bit. On full sreen outputing to a file I get the following: 2231 frames in 5.0 seconds = 446.200 FPS 2231 frames in 5.0 seconds = 446.200 FPS 2232 frames in 5.0 seconds = 446.400 FPS2231 frames in 5.0 seconds = 446.200 FPS 2231 frames in 5.0 seconds = 446.200 FPS 2232 frames in 5.0 seconds = 446.400 FPS 2231 frames in 5.0 seconds = 446.200 FPS 2231 frames in 5.0 seconds = 446.200 FPS 2233 frames in 5.0 seconds = 446.600 FPS 2231 frames in 5.0 seconds = 446.200 FPS 2231 frames in 5.0 seconds = 446.200 FPS 2232 frames in 5.0 seconds = 446.400 FPS 2231 frames in 5.0 seconds = 446.200 FPS 2231 frames in 5.0 seconds = 446.200 FPS 2233 frames in 5.0 seconds = 446.600 FPS 2231 frames in 5.0 seconds = 446.200 FPS 2231 frames in 5.0 seconds = 446.200 FPS 2232 frames in 5.0 seconds = 446.400 FPS When I just let the output go to the window I get an average of 1760 fps. On the startup size both outputs are same. Any ideas why? Henry -- When I discovered Linux I also discovered that I didn't need Microsoft anymore. SuSE 8.0 Linux user # 95851
GeForce 4 MX 420 (cheap) with latest Nvidia drivers running glxgears full screen. Resolution is 1280X1024 I think. Brian Marr magpie@Gringo:~> glxgears 2862 frames in 5.0 seconds = 572.400 FPS 669 frames in 5.0 seconds = 133.800 FPS 662 frames in 5.0 seconds = 132.400 FPS 694 frames in 5.0 seconds = 138.800 FPS 703 frames in 5.0 seconds = 140.600 FPS 703 frames in 5.0 seconds = 140.600 FPS 701 frames in 5.0 seconds = 140.200 FPS 701 frames in 5.0 seconds = 140.200 FPS 701 frames in 5.0 seconds = 140.200 FPS 701 frames in 5.0 seconds = 140.200 FPS 688 frames in 5.0 seconds = 137.600 FPS 666 frames in 5.0 seconds = 133.200 FPS On Wednesday 28 August 2002 14:55, you wrote:
On Wednesday 28 August 2002 00:57, Brian Marr wrote:
Can you show us gears running full screen ? Brian Marr
On Wednesday 28 August 2002 12:41, h g wrote:
Ben,
I just ran gears on my Geforce 3 ti500. I was wondering how the figures compare to the ATI.
23116 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4623.200 FPS 23253 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4650.600 FPS 22173 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4434.600 FPS 22418 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4483.600 FPS 23085 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4617.000 FPS 20254 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4050.800 FPS 22371 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4474.200 FPS 23593 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4718.600 FPS 23597 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4719.400 FPS 23338 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4667.600 FPS
I'm running 1280x1024 16 bit. On full sreen outputing to a file I get the following:
2231 frames in 5.0 seconds = 446.200 FPS 2231 frames in 5.0 seconds = 446.200 FPS 2232 frames in 5.0 seconds = 446.400 FPS2231 frames in 5.0 seconds = 446.200 FPS 2231 frames in 5.0 seconds = 446.200 FPS 2232 frames in 5.0 seconds = 446.400 FPS 2231 frames in 5.0 seconds = 446.200 FPS 2231 frames in 5.0 seconds = 446.200 FPS 2233 frames in 5.0 seconds = 446.600 FPS 2231 frames in 5.0 seconds = 446.200 FPS 2231 frames in 5.0 seconds = 446.200 FPS 2232 frames in 5.0 seconds = 446.400 FPS
2231 frames in 5.0 seconds = 446.200 FPS 2231 frames in 5.0 seconds = 446.200 FPS 2233 frames in 5.0 seconds = 446.600 FPS 2231 frames in 5.0 seconds = 446.200 FPS 2231 frames in 5.0 seconds = 446.200 FPS 2232 frames in 5.0 seconds = 446.400 FPS
When I just let the output go to the window I get an average of 1760 fps.
On the startup size both outputs are same.
Any ideas why?
Henry
This is about what I get in 1280X1024 w/ the Radeon. * Brian Marr (cabernet@internode.on.net) [020828 04:10]: ::GeForce 4 MX 420 (cheap) with latest Nvidia drivers running glxgears full ::screen. Resolution is 1280X1024 I think. ::Brian Marr ::magpie@Gringo:~> glxgears ::2862 frames in 5.0 seconds = 572.400 FPS ::669 frames in 5.0 seconds = 133.800 FPS ::662 frames in 5.0 seconds = 132.400 FPS ::694 frames in 5.0 seconds = 138.800 FPS ::703 frames in 5.0 seconds = 140.600 FPS ::703 frames in 5.0 seconds = 140.600 FPS ::701 frames in 5.0 seconds = 140.200 FPS ::701 frames in 5.0 seconds = 140.200 FPS ::701 frames in 5.0 seconds = 140.200 FPS ::701 frames in 5.0 seconds = 140.200 FPS ::688 frames in 5.0 seconds = 137.600 FPS ::666 frames in 5.0 seconds = 133.200 FPS -- Ben Rosenberg ---===---===---===--- mailto:ben@whack.org Tell me what you believe.. I tell you what you should see.
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