[OT] Intellectual property, sw, books... was: pdf questions
On Sun, Oct 15, 2006 22:48:50 PM -0500, M Harris (harrismh777@earthlink.net) wrote:
Surely you can accept that sometimes there is a need to publish documents and still restrict their distribution (or access to them, failing the ability to restrict the dissemination of the bits).
No. I have completely bought into the concept that intellectual property does not exist.
Even if intellectual property didn't exist (and I'm not saying it does) Randall said something *else* and completely refusing it would not make much sense. Think to medical records, for example, or reports inside a company.
Furthermore, a document is not a program. The arguments that Stallman puts forth w.r.t. to software do not necessarily apply to every imaginable published work.
You obviously did not read his book.
I did, and still think Randall is right, see Myth #2 at http://digifreedom.net/node/58. Feedback is welcome, of course. Ciao, Marco -- The right way to make everybody love Free Standards and Free Software: http://digifreedom.net/node/73
At 06:23 AM 10/16/2006 +0200, M. Fioretti wrote:
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On Sun, Oct 15, 2006 22:48:50 PM -0500, M Harris (harrismh777@earthlink.net) wrote:
Surely you can accept that sometimes there is a need to publish documents and still restrict their distribution (or access to them, failing the ability to restrict the dissemination of the bits).
No. I have completely bought into the concept that intellectual property does not exist.
Even if intellectual property didn't exist (and I'm not saying it does) Randall said something *else* and completely refusing it would not make much sense. Think to medical records, for example, or reports inside a company.
Furthermore, a document is not a program. The arguments that Stallman puts forth w.r.t. to software do not necessarily apply to every imaginable published work.
You obviously did not read his book.
I did, and still think Randall is right, see Myth #2 at http://digifreedom.net/node/58.
Feedback is welcome, of course.
Ciao, Marco
This is obviously way way off topic. But I'm pretty sure nobody reads the OT list--I don't even know how to access it, and I wouldn't-- BUT: it pisses me off that stuff that is out of print--not only printed materials, but musical recordings--for 60 years, cannot be reproduced on the 'net, for those that would like to play or read them on their computers or their CD players. Originally, copyrights were only for about 20 years--now they are for about 200 years, in practice, and you will _never_ be able to d/l a recording from 1950, or even a piece of sheet music from that era, in your entire lifetime. (I was recently able to d/l a sheet from about 1906, by Scott Joplin. The Disney people did not have Mickey Mouse back then.) --doug
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Monday 2006-10-16 at 01:27 -0400, Doug McGarrett wrote:
This is obviously way way off topic. But I'm pretty sure nobody reads the OT list--I don't even know how to access it, and I wouldn't-- BUT: it pisses me off that stuff that is out of print--not only printed materials, but musical recordings--for 60 years, cannot be reproduced on the 'net, for those that would like to play or read them on their computers or their CD players. Originally, copyrights were only for about 20 years--now they are for about 200 years, in practice, and you will _never_ be able to d/l a recording from 1950, or even a piece of sheet music from that era, in your entire lifetime. (I was recently able to d/l a sheet from about 1906, by Scott Joplin. The Disney people did not have Mickey Mouse back then.)
I agree. And probably these abuses "promotes" the existence and increase of the "freloaders" the mentioned essay talk about. The same as the high prices of software in my country paved the way for the enourmous ammount of "pirating" around here. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFFM1QstTMYHG2NR9URAs/9AJ44jmHf1ELP0/ew+8SV20XODh8jawCdErib Gd3yzjopDob4IZvEl7qzO3U= =XWg4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
The Monday 2006-10-16 at 01:27 -0400, Doug McGarrett wrote:
This is obviously way way off topic. But I'm pretty sure nobody reads the OT list--I don't even know how to access it, and I wouldn't--
A few people do read the off-topic list. You access it by subscribing: suse-ot-subscribe@suse.com /Per Jessen, Zürich
Right Per and I would really like to see this kind of OT automatically moved to the OT list. Could be a filter looking for OT ;). On what fact Doug based his conclusion that nobody reads the OT list I do not know. Now he has the URL so i expect him to join us, OT listers ;) On Monday 16 October 2006 18:21, Per Jessen wrote:
The Monday 2006-10-16 at 01:27 -0400, Doug McGarrett wrote:
This is obviously way way off topic. But I'm pretty sure nobody reads the OT list--I don't even know how to access it, and I wouldn't--
A few people do read the off-topic list. You access it by subscribing:
suse-ot-subscribe@suse.com
/Per Jessen, Zürich
On Mon, Oct 16, 2006 11:43:05 AM +0200, Carlos E. R. (robin.listas@telefonica.net) wrote:
This is obviously way way off topic. But I'm pretty sure nobody reads the OT list--I don't even know how to access it, and I wouldn't-- BUT: it pisses me off that stuff that is out of print--not only printed materials, but musical recordings--for 60 years, cannot be reproduced on the 'net [...]
I agree.
And probably these abuses "promotes" the existence and increase of the "freloaders" the mentioned essay talk about.
Just to make my position clear: What I say in that essay is that the abuses are an excellent excuse for the freeloaders and that the freeloaders are an the best excuse the corporations may dream of to push abuse to the point where it cannot be stopped or circumvented: 1) millions of not-exactly-smart people download everything they find "just because", "information wants to be free" etc... 2) ...giving corporations *objective* data on which they can build plausible assumptions ("100 millions downloads = 100 millions dollars less = 1000000 jobs lost") with which to lobby TC and similar stuff that CANNOT be broken via software.. 3) ... politicians approve laws which make TC hardware mandatory 4) ... as soon as your current PC or DVD player breaks, you're screwed for good Multinationals live one quarter at a time. A 6/9 months astension from illegal downloads would make 1) disappear and hurt their stocks so badly that they would stop with 2) and 3) Of course, in order for this to happen, people should think and look a bit farther than their own Ipod... End of the rant of this list, as far as I am concerned. Whoever wants to continue the discussion offline is welcome to contact me. I'll close, however, with a kind request to forward http://digifreedom.net/node/74 to all the parents or teacher associations you know, since I do need feedback there. Ciao, Marco -- The right way to make everybody love Free Standards and Free Software: http://digifreedom.net/node/73
On Mon, Oct 16, 2006 01:27:24 AM -0400, Doug McGarrett (dmcgarrett@optonline.net) wrote:
This is obviously way way off topic. But I'm pretty sure nobody reads the OT list--I don't even know how to access it, and I wouldn't-- BUT: it pisses me off that stuff that is out of print--not only printed materials, but musical recordings--for 60 years, cannot be reproduced on the 'net, for those that would like to play or read them on their computers or their CD players.
Same here. That's a separate problem which I'll deal with in another post on the same website. Ciao, Marco -- The right way to make everybody love Free Standards and Free Software: http://digifreedom.net/node/73
* M. Fioretti
Same here. That's a separate problem which I'll deal with in another post on the same website.
on the suse-ot@suse.com list pls, :^) -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2
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