I've seen several statements lately that one gets to the black console screens via alt-F1. When I do this, I get the KDE menu. I have to do ctrl-alt-Fx to get to the consoles. As far as I know, my system is a simple standard opensuse 10.2 with the basic suse updates through opensuseupdater. No hacks, no obscure window manager additions. Why is my X different? Should I be concerned? John Perry -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Mittwoch, 23. Mai 2007, John E. Perry wrote:
I've seen several statements lately that one gets to the black console screens via alt-F1. When I do this, I get the KDE menu. I have to do ctrl-alt-Fx to get to the consoles.
As far as I know, my system is a simple standard opensuse 10.2 with the basic suse updates through opensuseupdater. No hacks, no obscure window manager additions. Why is my X different? Should I be concerned?
John Perry
This is the same here on Suse 10.0 and since I know what a console is, it has always been like that - well, ok, that's not tens of years :-) But it indeed caused some problems to me, because it took a long time until I found out that I have to press ctrl too, while in my books about Linux it's always just alt-Fx... But I don't think there's anything to be concerned about in this regard. regards IL -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 23 May 2007 11:52, John E. Perry wrote:
As far as I know, my system is a simple standard opensuse 10.2 with the basic suse updates through opensuseupdater. No hacks, no obscure window manager additions. Why is my X different? Should I be concerned? No you are correct. Often the alt-F1 term is used as an identifier (to differentiate the black screen console from Konsole on the desktop) versus an operational command....
Yes, to actually access the black screen consoles from the desktop (on distros) is ctl-alt-Fx; however, to get back ... just alt-F7. -- Kind regards, M Harris <>< -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
M Harris wrote:
On Wednesday 23 May 2007 11:52, John E. Perry wrote:
As far as I know, my system is a simple standard opensuse 10.2 with the basic suse updates through opensuseupdater. No hacks, no obscure window manager additions. Why is my X different? Should I be concerned? No you are correct. Often the alt-F1 term is used as an identifier (to differentiate the black screen console from Konsole on the desktop) versus an operational command....
Yes, to actually access the black screen consoles from the desktop (on distros) is ctl-alt-Fx; however, to get back ... just alt-F7.
it's alt Fx from an other console, Ctrl Alt Fx from graphic interface jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://gourmandises.orangeblog.fr/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 23 May 2007 12:08, jdd wrote:
it's alt Fx from an other console, Ctrl Alt Fx from graphic interface jdd Yup, always has been...
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On 2007/05/23 12:52 (GMT-0400) John E. Perry apparently typed:
I've seen several statements lately that one gets to the black console screens via alt-F1. When I do this, I get the KDE menu. I have to do ctrl-alt-Fx to get to the consoles.
As far as I know, my system is a simple standard opensuse 10.2 with the basic suse updates through opensuseupdater. No hacks, no obscure window manager additions. Why is my X different?
Yours is not different. In every X environment I've tried, Alt-Fx has an X-only meaning, so Ctrl-Alt-Fx is required to leave the X session. When not in an X session, Alt-Fx performs the same session switch whether Ctrl is also pressed or not. -- "The path of the righteous is like the first gleam of dawn, shining ever brighter till the full light of day." Proverbs 4:18 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 23-May-07 16:52:24, John E. Perry wrote:
I've seen several statements lately that one gets to the black console screens via alt-F1. When I do this, I get the KDE menu. I have to do ctrl-alt-Fx to get to the consoles.
As far as I know, my system is a simple standard opensuse 10.2 with the basic suse updates through opensuseupdater. No hacks, no obscure window manager additions. Why is my X different? Should I be concerned?
John Perry
The behaviour you describe is standard, and has been, on Linux, since X came in (early-mid 90s). The "Alt-Fn" statements you have seen refer to swapping between "black consoles". So, from one "black cosole", say Console 1, you can swap to any other, say Console 5, with Alt-F5. Of course, Alt-F7 will take you to the console which is running X.
From an X console, however, to get to any other console you must use Ctrl-Alt-Fn. So Ctrl-Alt-F1 will take you to "black console" 1, for instance.
The "reason X is different" is that, depending on the window
manager, Alt-Fn will have some other function in X. This again
is standard.
Overall, nothing whatever to be concerned about!
Hoping this helps,
Ted.
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(Ted Harding) wrote:
On 23-May-07 16:52:24, John E. Perry wrote:
I've seen several statements lately that one gets to the black console screens via alt-F1. When I do this, I get the KDE menu. I have to do ctrl-alt-Fx to get to the consoles.
As far as I know, my system is a simple standard opensuse 10.2 with the basic suse updates through opensuseupdater. No hacks, no obscure window manager additions. Why is my X different? Should I be concerned?
John Perry
The behaviour you describe is standard, and has been, on Linux, since X came in (early-mid 90s).
The "Alt-Fn" statements you have seen refer to swapping between "black consoles". So, from one "black cosole", say Console 1, you can swap to any other, say Console 5, with Alt-F5.
Of course, Alt-F7 will take you to the console which is running X.
From an X console, however, to get to any other console you must use Ctrl-Alt-Fn. So Ctrl-Alt-F1 will take you to "black console" 1, for instance.
The "reason X is different" is that, depending on the window manager, Alt-Fn will have some other function in X. This again is standard.
And that's why it's easier to just get in the Ctrl-Alt-Fn mode, because that works from either a virtual terminal or X. I recently wrote a short bit about this: http://freebsd.amazingdev.com/blog/archives/000872.html -- Jonathan Arnold (mailto:jdarnold@buddydog.org) Daemon Dancing in the Dark, an Open OS weblog: http://freebsd.amazingdev.com/blog/ UNIX is user-friendly. It's just a bit picky about who its friends are. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 23-May-07 18:54:52, Jonathan Arnold wrote:
(Ted Harding) wrote:
On 23-May-07 16:52:24, John E. Perry wrote:
I've seen several statements lately that one gets to the black console screens via alt-F1. When I do this, I get the KDE menu. I have to do ctrl-alt-Fx to get to the consoles.
As far as I know, my system is a simple standard opensuse 10.2 with the basic suse updates through opensuseupdater. No hacks, no obscure window manager additions. Why is my X different? Should I be concerned?
John Perry
The behaviour you describe is standard, and has been, on Linux, since X came in (early-mid 90s).
The "Alt-Fn" statements you have seen refer to swapping between "black consoles". So, from one "black cosole", say Console 1, you can swap to any other, say Console 5, with Alt-F5.
Of course, Alt-F7 will take you to the console which is running X.
From an X console, however, to get to any other console you must use Ctrl-Alt-Fn. So Ctrl-Alt-F1 will take you to "black console" 1, for instance.
The "reason X is different" is that, depending on the window manager, Alt-Fn will have some other function in X. This again is standard.
And that's why it's easier to just get in the Ctrl-Alt-Fn mode, because that works from either a virtual terminal or X.
I recently wrote a short bit about this:
Which is fair anough -- though once you get used to it, it's no
trouble to use Alt-Fn from a console. (Mind you, I got used to
Alt-Fn back in 1992, before X came in, and all you had was "black
consoles" and Alt-Fn. So for me, Ctrl-Alt-Fn is an add-on)!
Of course, the point of all these posts on this thread is to
clarify what was puzzling John Perry in the firstplace. I hope
we've done that!
Best wishes to all,
Ted.
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