[opensuse] wiki article: Why to use openSUSE
Any ideas what can come in there: http://en.opensuse.org/Why_to_use_openSUSE No need to reply here, just go there and add comments, new sections etc. Note that article is not "My daily rant", although something like series of articles comparing openSUSE with other distributions, operating systems, desktops might be helpful to get bigger picture. If we want to build the best distro, having digest of what other do compared to what we do can be helpful. Also comparing applications from different worlds might be good idea. -- Regards, Rajko http://en.opensuse.org/Portal needs helpful hands. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
The default KDE setup (except the menu I prefer "KDE" style) is much
nice than any other disto. That's why I use SuSE.
What can we do to improve SuSE? Look at the user experience from
Ubuntu. I try to play an MP3 file and with 1 click it will install the
MP3 codec. Opensuse will just take me to a wiki page where I click a
link or two and then it adds packman and installs the package. Too
much of a hassle -- some people don't read and thus could get
frustrated.
Also last time I checked the PHP in SuSE does not work with IONCube
encoded files for some reason. Alot of people have reported that. IIRC
apache will just segfault. This is due to some "optimizations" applied
to PHP.
Longer release cycles would be VERY nice but I'm not crossing my finger on that.
On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 9:34 PM, Rajko M.
Any ideas what can come in there:
http://en.opensuse.org/Why_to_use_openSUSE
No need to reply here, just go there and add comments, new sections etc.
Note that article is not "My daily rant", although something like series of articles comparing openSUSE with other distributions, operating systems, desktops might be helpful to get bigger picture.
If we want to build the best distro, having digest of what other do compared to what we do can be helpful.
Also comparing applications from different worlds might be good idea.
-- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 27 April 2008 12:26:12 am Andreas van dem Helge wrote:
The default KDE setup (except the menu I prefer "KDE" style) is much nice than any other disto. That's why I use SuSE.
I added: "The default KDE setup (except the menu I prefer "KDE" style) is much nicer than any other distros. That's why I use openSUSE." to http://en.opensuse.org/Why_to_use_openSUSE . Note that this is a list of reasons to use openSUSE, there are also articles that discuss user wishes for functionality or software [1], and for problems there are articles that explain how to report bugs [2]. [1] http://en.opensuse.org/Package_Wishlist http://en.opensuse.org/Feature_Wishlist [2] http://en.opensuse.org/Submitting_Bug_Reports -- Regards, Rajko http://en.opensuse.org/Portal needs helpful hands. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Andreas van dem Helge wrote:
What can we do to improve SuSE? Look at the user experience from Ubuntu. I try to play an MP3 file and with 1 click it will install the MP3 codec. Opensuse will just take me to a wiki page where I click a link or two and then it adds packman and installs the package. Too much of a hassle -- some people don't read and thus could get frustrated.
That might be the beginning of a new wiki page (unless it's already there) - What can we do to improve openSUSE? /Per Jessen, Zürich -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Per Jessen wrote:
Andreas van dem Helge wrote:
What can we do to improve SuSE? Look at the user experience from Ubuntu. I try to play an MP3 file and with 1 click it will install the MP3 codec. Opensuse will just take me to a wiki page where I click a link or two and then it adds packman and installs the package. Too much of a hassle -- some people don't read and thus could get frustrated.
That might be the beginning of a new wiki page (unless it's already there) - What can we do to improve openSUSE?
Ah, but isn't this why there is now a new employee at Novell with the title of Community Manager (who hasn't been heard from after the initial several days of his "honeymoon period" when he was posting in this forum promising that he WILL be 'listening'!) :-) . (What IS his name, BTW?) Ciao. -- If you want to know what a man is like, take a look at how he treats his inferiors not his equals. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Ah, but isn't this why there is now a new employee at Novell with the title of Community Manager (who hasn't been heard from after the initial several days of his "honeymoon period" when he was posting in this forum promising that he WILL be 'listening'!) :-) .
(What IS his name, BTW?)
I've seen him pop up just recently over of the Factory mailing list. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Clayton wrote:
Ah, but isn't this why there is now a new employee at Novell with the title of Community Manager (who hasn't been heard from after the initial several days of his "honeymoon period" when he was posting in this forum promising that he WILL be 'listening'!) :-) .
(What IS his name, BTW?)
I've seen him pop up just recently over of the Factory mailing list.
If I could remember his name I would keep a weather-eye out for his 'popping ups' in the future. So, could you remind me of his name again, please? Ciao. -- If you want to know what a man is like, take a look at how he treats his inferiors not his equals. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
If I could remember his name I would keep a weather-eye out for his 'popping ups' in the future. So, could you remind me of his name again, please?
This was the message I noticed from "Zonker" (Joe Brockmeier) on the Factory list... http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2008-04/msg00694.html C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Sunday 2008-04-27 at 01:26 -0400, Andreas van dem Helge wrote:
What can we do to improve SuSE? Look at the user experience from Ubuntu. I try to play an MP3 file and with 1 click it will install the MP3 codec. Opensuse will just take me to a wiki page where I click a link or two and then it adds packman and installs the package. Too much of a hassle -- some people don't read and thus could get frustrated.
Don't dream, that feature will not be added. Novell (lawyers) understands it is illegal, and that's final. The roundabout 1 click install we have is the closest thing possible. For a detailed explanation, browse the archives and the wiki, it has been explained many, many times. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIFFO3tTMYHG2NR9URAkP6AJ0cg6iuo4zCsjU0N8lzYKUL/XuRewCgi33v iWs++rhCDSxGgHNepxGCaOo= =jC8V -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Am Sonntag, 27. April 2008 12:21:41 schrieb Carlos E. R.:
The Sunday 2008-04-27 at 01:26 -0400, Andreas van dem Helge wrote:
What can we do to improve SuSE? Look at the user experience from Ubuntu. I try to play an MP3 file and with 1 click it will install the MP3 codec. Opensuse will just take me to a wiki page where I click a link or two and then it adds packman and installs the package. Too much of a hassle -- some people don't read and thus could get frustrated.
Don't dream, that feature will not be added. Novell (lawyers) understands it is illegal, and that's final. The roundabout 1 click install we have is the closest thing possible.
For a detailed explanation, browse the archives and the wiki, it has been explained many, many times. That's the problem indeed.
Ubuntu is a community only driven project - no company to sue, but Novell is a big company with money to take.. (and well, I guess there are quite a few companies which would like to sue Novell). However they could try to get some sort of legal contract with the Frauenhofer Institut (cause most people doesn't care about the legal problems - they want to hear their music..), or at least an agreement that allows them to ship the codecs. (Who's taking this idea to novell? Someone on the list who's working in Nürnberg? :) ) Greetings Michael
On Sunday 2008-04-27 12:43, M. Skiba wrote:
Ubuntu is a community only driven project - no company to sue, but Novell is a big company with money to take.. (and well, I guess there are quite a few companies which would like to sue Novell).
Oh you could sue Canonical...
However they could try to get some sort of legal contract with the Frauenhofer Institut (cause most people doesn't care about the legal problems - they want to hear their music..), or at least an agreement that allows them to ship the codecs.
Rather: make users aware of the situation and use free codecs. And those who don't understand are damned to live with the mp crap. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Am Sonntag, 27. April 2008 13:18:32 schrieb Jan Engelhardt:
However they could try to get some sort of legal contract with the Frauenhofer Institut (cause most people doesn't care about the legal problems - they want to hear their music..), or at least an agreement that allows them to ship the codecs.
Rather: make users aware of the situation and use free codecs. And those who don't understand are damned to live with the mp crap. I guess we both know, that's not going to work.. I mean every kid unable to set up his email-client knows how to get mp3s on his player (or off the net).
And the fact, that most mp3(even the name says it)-players doesn't support ogg-vobis doesn't make the situation easier. It's a marketing thing - while ogg is used in the industry for games it doesn't really reach the end consumer... Greetings Michael
On Sunday 27 April 2008 06:18:32 am Jan Engelhardt wrote:
On Sunday 2008-04-27 12:43, M. Skiba wrote:
Ubuntu is a community only driven project - no company to sue, but Novell is a big company with money to take.. (and well, I guess there are quite a few companies which would like to sue Novell).
Oh you could sue Canonical...
To small target for those that might have interest and better lawyers.
However they could try to get some sort of legal contract with the Frauenhofer Institut (cause most people doesn't care about the legal problems - they want to hear their music..), or at least an agreement that allows them to ship the codecs.
Rather: make users aware of the situation and use free codecs. And those who don't understand are damned to live with the mp crap.
The numbers are against free codecs. The 99% of market suppliers are using mp3 and will not invest money to change without good incentive, like competition using better product + offering cheaper services + too expensive to buy out and include in own offer. -- Regards, Rajko http://en.opensuse.org/Portal needs helpful hands. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Sunday 2008-04-27 at 12:43 +0200, M. Skiba wrote:
That's the problem indeed.
Ubuntu is a community only driven project - no company to sue, but Novell is a big company with money to take.. (and well, I guess there are quite a few companies which would like to sue Novell).
However they could try to get some sort of legal contract with the Frauenhofer Institut (cause most people doesn't care about the legal problems - they want to hear their music..), or at least an agreement that allows them to ship the codecs. (Who's taking this idea to novell? Someone on the list who's working in Nürnberg? :) )
Read this to get a better idea of the complexity, from somebody "in the know": http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2005-10/msg00238.html And notice that the legal problems do not come only from the "other" side. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIFHk7tTMYHG2NR9URAkmVAJ41TfzWCMhYr6WcaACGG0Cl6bp/5QCcCvza mkRXraSCm2celj5llH06yQY= =KKGv -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Carlos E. R. wrote:
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The Sunday 2008-04-27 at 01:26 -0400, Andreas van dem Helge wrote:
What can we do to improve SuSE? Look at the user experience from Ubuntu. I try to play an MP3 file and with 1 click it will install the MP3 codec. Opensuse will just take me to a wiki page where I click a link or two and then it adds packman and installs the package. Too much of a hassle -- some people don't read and thus could get frustrated.
Don't dream, that feature will not be added. Novell (lawyers) understands it is illegal, and that's final.
You know, there is a very good reason why lawyers exist - and that is because there are 2 sides to every story. And it is also the reason why lawyers will always exist and will always make money- because, no matter what, they never lose. What was the point then of Novell and MS "doing a deal"? ho else has gone to bed with MS? Is openSUSE the only distro around now? I am using openSUSE 10.3 and I can view DVDs and digital TV. So why is there is this hypocricy about paying attention to what lawyers think?
The roundabout 1 click install we have is the closest thing possible.
For a detailed explanation, browse the archives and the wiki, it has been explained many, many times.
I rest my case :-D . Ciao. -- If you want to know what a man is like, take a look at how he treats his inferiors not his equals. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Sunday 2008-04-27 at 20:47 +1000, Basil Chupin wrote:
Don't dream, that feature will not be added. Novell (lawyers) understands it is illegal, and that's final.
You know, there is a very good reason why lawyers exist - and that is because there are 2 sides to every story. And it is also the reason why lawyers will always exist and will always make money- because, no matter what, they never lose.
Precisely as there are two sides and both could win, the safe course is not to risk it. Let be somebody else who risks it. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIFHdRtTMYHG2NR9URAj6LAKCQDZNub4i4gsaNXhbmx8j+Z4qfGwCghIkx 847ZiqMUHNzOsOGLmxUiaZs= =ceKz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. wrote:
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The Sunday 2008-04-27 at 20:47 +1000, Basil Chupin wrote:
Don't dream, that feature will not be added. Novell (lawyers) understands it is illegal, and that's final.
You know, there is a very good reason why lawyers exist - and that is because there are 2 sides to every story. And it is also the reason why lawyers will always exist and will always make money- because, no matter what, they never lose.
Precisely as there are two sides and both could win, the safe course is not to risk it. Let be somebody else who risks it.
SCO could have used your advice a while back :-) . Ciao. -- If you want to know what a man is like, take a look at how he treats his inferiors not his equals. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sat, 2008-04-26 at 20:34 -0500, Rajko M. wrote:
Any ideas what can come in there:
http://en.opensuse.org/Why_to_use_openSUSE
No need to reply here, just go there and add comments, new sections etc.
Note that article is not "My daily rant", although something like series of articles comparing openSUSE with other distributions, operating systems, desktops might be helpful to get bigger picture.
If we want to build the best distro, having digest of what other do compared to what we do can be helpful.
Also comparing applications from different worlds might be good idea.
-- Regards, Rajko http://en.opensuse.org/Portal needs helpful hands.
This could be the start of an interesting page ;-)
Also in the same vain some help could be used over at
http://en.opensuse.org/About_openSUSE_Linux :-)
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On Sunday 27 April 2008 04:43:02 pm Kevin Dupuy wrote:
On Sat, 2008-04-26 at 20:34 -0500, Rajko M. wrote:
Any ideas what can come in there:
http://en.opensuse.org/Why_to_use_openSUSE
No need to reply here, just go there and add comments, new sections etc.
If we want to build the best distro, having digest of what other do compared to what we do can be helpful.
This could be the start of an interesting page ;-)
Also in the same vain some help could be used over at http://en.opensuse.org/About_openSUSE_Linux :-)
Sure. It can be home for pages like "Why to use openSUSE" ie. pages with user opinions. -- Regards, Rajko http://en.opensuse.org/Portal needs helpful hands. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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