Gentoo: http://forums.gentoo.org/ Posts: 3,005,617 Registered Users: 105,423 Users online: 235 Ubuntu: http://ubuntuforums.org Posts: 680,568 Registered users: 68,264 Users online: 706 Fedora: http://forums.fedoraforums.org Posts: 621,755 Registered Users: 60,167 Users Online: 4402 I will just state again, that people who talk about gateways etc between mailing lists and the web forum, haven't got full comprehension of what a successful web forum is about. There is no reason that an openSUSE web forum will not rival any of the above in terms of usage. And does anybody who thinks that the mailing lists on these other distros are non-functioning because they have successful web forums? Of course not.
hi, On Fri, 27 Jan 2006, Peter Flodin wrote:
Gentoo: http://forums.gentoo.org/ Posts: 3,005,617 Registered Users: 105,423 Users online: 235
Ubuntu: http://ubuntuforums.org Posts: 680,568 Registered users: 68,264 Users online: 706
Fedora: http://forums.fedoraforums.org Posts: 621,755 Registered Users: 60,167 Users Online: 4402
I will just state again, that people who talk about gateways etc between mailing lists and the web forum, haven't got full comprehension of what a successful web forum is about.
Yes.
There is no reason that an openSUSE web forum will not rival any of the above in terms of usage.
Rivality is not the point; success ("helpfulness") is it. You can't measure it in numbers, only in "forum atmosphere".
And does anybody who thinks that the mailing lists on these other distros are non-functioning because they have successful web forums? Of course not.
Try reading www.linux-club.de for 3 days; you will see solid FAQs instantly, and strong moderator action if something starts running against the line. My feeling is: there are the best "educators" homed for forum users. Knowledge is giving advises. That's what a forum should be, and linux-club.de is. But the language is german (only). A gain from the sight of the forum users ("easy", just the way they want to go). So best would be we had one official forum per language. Cheers -e -- Eberhard Moenkeberg (emoenke@gwdg.de, em@kki.org)
On 1/27/2006 2:36 AM Eberhard Moenkeberg wrote:
So best would be we had one official forum per language.
I think it is planned to have "THE suse forum" like forum.opensuse.org, not linking to a separate forum in each language. Was talked about ealier in this thread. I dont know whats better, make a new one and "rival" the existing ones, or not having an OFFICIAL suse forum. OJ -- "You place too much importance, and you always have done, on the so-called purity of blood. You fail to recognise that it matters not what someone is born, but what they grow to be!" (Albus Dumbledore, Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire)
On Fri, Jan 27, 2006 at 07:45:03AM +0100, Johannes Kastl wrote:
I dont know whats better, make a new one and "rival" the existing ones, or not having an OFFICIAL suse forum.
I don't kno what is worse of the two. NOT having an official webforum is costing user participation. Is there a way to set up a voting system, like on e.g. /. where we can simply ASK people what they think? e.g (But perhaps the Novell Marketing people are better at this) What are you thoughts about webforums 1. The existing ones are great 2. Please make one on opensuse 3. I rather use mailinglists 4. ... It would indeed not be acurate voting, as anybody should be able to vote. houghi -- I've found my niche. If you're wondering why I'm not there, there was this little hole in the bottom ... -- John Croll
houghi wrote:
On Fri, Jan 27, 2006 at 07:45:03AM +0100, Johannes Kastl wrote:
I dont know whats better, make a new one and "rival" the existing ones, or not having an OFFICIAL suse forum.
I don't kno what is worse of the two. NOT having an official webforum is costing user participation.
Hi Houghi, believe it or not, I appreciate your contributions. However, we're not losing anything by not having a webforum. But I grant you, we're not gaining anything either. /Per Jessen, Zürich
On Fri, Jan 27, 2006 at 07:27:34PM +0100, Per Jessen wrote:
believe it or not, I appreciate your contributions. However, we're not losing anything by not having a webforum. But I grant you, we're not gaining anything either.
I think we loose a LOT by not having a webforum. What we gain would be a lot more people interested. A lot more momentum and a lot more feedback and goodwill. Webforum is what most people want, so that is what openSUSE should give. We are comunity driven and should look at what that comunity wants. Will I use it? Probably not. houghi -- Her figure described a set of parabolas that could cause cardiac arrest in a yak. -- Woody Allen
Peter Flodin wrote:
I will just state again, that people who talk about gateways etc between mailing lists and the web forum, haven't got full comprehension of what a successful web forum is about.
There is no reason that an openSUSE web forum will not rival any of the above in terms of usage.
And does anybody who thinks that the mailing lists on these other distros are non-functioning because they have successful web forums? Of course not.
+1 I participate quite often in the Gentoo forums. Mailing lists do not cut it and are NOT a substitute for forums.
Michael K. Dolan Jr. wrote:
I participate quite often in the Gentoo forums. Mailing lists do not cut it and are NOT a substitute for forums.
I think we've pretty much reached agreement on that issue. Well, I agree anyway :-) The primary issue for me is to avoid splitting the community, which I see best avoided by bi/tri-drectionally gating mailinglist/newserver webforum. The newsserver is optional as we already have gmane and others. /Per Jessen, Zürich -- http://www.spamchek.com/ - managed anti-spam and anti-virus solution. Let us analyse your spam- and virus-threat - up to 2 months for free.
Peter Flodin wrote:
I will just state again, that people who talk about gateways etc between mailing lists and the web forum, haven't got full comprehension of what a successful web forum is about.
As I'm one of the proponents of just that, perhaps you'd care to enlighten me as to why a bi-dir gated forum/mailinglist would not be successful? What would it be missing that a "normal" webforum has?
There is no reason that an openSUSE web forum will not rival any of the above in terms of usage.
Absolutely.
And does anybody who thinks that the mailing lists on these other distros are non-functioning because they have successful web forums? Of course not.
What is your reasoning for wanting to split the community? I'm genuinely interested in understanding this. /Per Jessen, Zürich -- http://www.spamchek.com/ - managed anti-spam and anti-virus solution. Let us analyse your spam- and virus-threat - up to 2 months for free.
On Fri, Jan 27, 2006 at 10:10:09AM +0100, Per Jessen wrote:
What is your reasoning for wanting to split the community? I'm genuinely interested in understanding this.
Perhaps it is not so much wanting to split as creating the risk that people will feel offended by just starting a webforum and ignoring the existing ones. Somebdy is already on the large German forum. Who is going to start the discussion on the English one? I think it would be perfectly possible to have the two things next to eachother. Outside the suse-e mailinglists, there are others dedicated to SUSE (I know of at least one, but there are bound to be more). Outside the novell usenet groups, there at least two other active usenet groups unrlated to novell or SUSE. What about the susewiki's out there. Somebody rightfully said we never asked any questions about that. So an official and an inofficial webforum should not be a problem, AS LONG as we ask them to help us and ask feedback. I am sure that we, people at openSUSE and people at the unofficial forums, want the same thing: support others with SUSE and discuss SUSE. houghi -- Why don't elephants eat penguins ? Because they can't get the wrappers off ...
Hi all, this discussion (and all the other discussions regarding this topic) seems to come directly from the european parlament: Very very much noise with very very small results. If all decisions around SUSE would be managed this way, we would have now SUSE 0.9 beta. I am reading mailing lists regularly since a long time. Even longer (and still) i read several Usenet groups. And i'm a forumreader too. A NNTP-ML-Forum-Gateway is crap. Because most of the common Forum-Readers would be pissed off by netiquette-discussions, which will come up inevitably started by oldfashioned mailing-list-users. And vice versa. Not to mention (especially german) usenet-users. Each way has its assets and drawbacks, but in no way they are going together. My advice: Set up a forum, look how it is going, and if it is going worse, shut it down. If its going well, all is fine, isnt it? Second advice: Make it clear (for yourself) for what a forum will be mostly used and for what purpose this list is. Is it the same? I dont think so. Sometimes these semi-religious discussions are very boring, good-for-nothing and at least such discussions seems to bind more ressources than to run a forum. regards, Jens PS: All above is IMHO only and not a subject of any higher truth, nevertheless some parts could be provocative. ;)
On Mon, Jan 30, 2006 at 07:29:18PM +0100, Jens Nixdorf wrote:
this discussion (and all the other discussions regarding this topic) seems to come directly from the european parlament: Very very much noise with very very small results. If all decisions around SUSE would be managed this way, we would have now SUSE 0.9 beta.
That is the good part about it. Things can be discussed. This has brought previously to the attention and as you can see by the amount of mails seems very important to many people. It is to you as well, otherwise you would not participate. ;-) The way we handle this can be a deciding factor on how and what openSUSE will be in the future.
My advice: Set up a forum, look how it is going, and if it is going worse, shut it down. If its going well, all is fine, isnt it?
No. This would show a lack of insight and would be a waste of resources.
Second advice: Make it clear (for yourself) for what a forum will be mostly used and for what purpose this list is. Is it the same? I dont think so.
Indeed it is not. That subject has only barely been touched and will start as soon as the desision is taken. That will be probably even more lively then this one. :-) houghi -- The problem with any unwritten law is that you don't know where to go to erase it. -- Glaser and Way
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