-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Kevanf1 wrote:

On 20/05/06, Bruce Marshall wrote:

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1) Pysol has gone missing.

2) madwifi has gone missing (that's pretty serious)

3) When I tried to do a YOU, it showed me 3 updates to install. Clicking on ACCEPT caused YOU to quit and return to the YAST2 screen.

4) YAST2 seems to be using a fixed font size regardless of screen resolution. It is small, crappy, and very hard to read. Trying to go through the 'install software' is an exercise of great pain.

I wonder what else is missing.

You mean apart from the decent set of manuals, t-shirt, lapel pin, sticker :-))))))))

Sorry, I just had to get that in.

I sure hope they do something soon, my 9.3 manuals and my T-shirt are getting very worn and frayed :} BoB C -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEcFyOjwV5n5LkO9YRAn6XAJ40DEv+gN3Kk4munT37KwaAwNzf0gCgzdEt z92LPk0IPeOwybaW05+5uqo= =4/S8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

On Sun, 2006-05-21 at 08:56 -0400, James Knott wrote:

Robert Cunningham wrote:

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I wonder what else is missing.

You mean apart from the decent set of manuals, t-shirt, lapel pin, sticker :-))))))))

Sorry, I just had to get that in.

I sure hope they do something soon, my 9.3 manuals and my T-shirt are getting very worn and frayed :}

You'll have to download a new T-shirt.

It only works if you are using thicknet cable. :-)))))) -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998

On Sunday 21 May 2006 14:29, Ken Schneider wrote:

On Sun, 2006-05-21 at 08:56 -0400, James Knott wrote:

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Robert Cunningham wrote:

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I wonder what else is missing.

You mean apart from the decent set of manuals, t-shirt, lapel pin, sticker :-))))))))

Sorry, I just had to get that in.

I sure hope they do something soon, my 9.3 manuals and my T-shirt are getting very worn and frayed :}

You'll have to download a new T-shirt.

It only works if you are using thicknet cable. :-))))))

Funny, I thought you needed fiber... ba-da-boom!!! -- Steve Boddy

On Sun, 2006-05-21 at 17:07 +0100, Stephen Boddy wrote:

On Sunday 21 May 2006 14:29, Ken Schneider wrote:

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On Sun, 2006-05-21 at 08:56 -0400, James Knott wrote:

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Robert Cunningham wrote:

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I wonder what else is missing.

You mean apart from the decent set of manuals, t-shirt, lapel pin, sticker :-))))))))

Sorry, I just had to get that in.

I sure hope they do something soon, my 9.3 manuals and my T-shirt are getting very worn and frayed :}

You'll have to download a new T-shirt.

It only works if you are using thicknet cable. :-))))))

Funny, I thought you needed fiber... ba-da-boom!!!

That would be for the knit shirt -not- the t-shirt. :-) -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998

On Saturday 20 May 2006 17:45, Bruce Marshall wrote:

5) There doesn't appear to be any way to save the selections in YAST2 (for selecting on another machine) A major hit in my opinion.

The package manager was completely rewritten for 10.1, this is a feature that is being rewritten and will be included later when it's completed For the time being, at the end of the install I think there is a button "clone this installation for autoyast"

On Saturday 20 May 2006 11:57 am, Anders Johansson wrote:

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4) YAST2 seems to be using a fixed font size regardless of screen resolution. It is small, crappy, and very hard to read.

Not on my screen. KDE or Gnome? In my KDE it's perfectly readable on 1600x1200

It is better at 1600.... if only because the characters are a bit crisper but at least they are readable. (hmm wondering if I have a font problem. Didn't notice whether the MS fonts got installed with 10.1 or not.)

On 20/05/06, Bruce Marshall wrote:

On Saturday 20 May 2006 11:57 am, Anders Johansson wrote:

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4) YAST2 seems to be using a fixed font size regardless of screen resolution. It is small, crappy, and very hard to read.

Not on my screen. KDE or Gnome? In my KDE it's perfectly readable on 1600x1200

It is better at 1600.... if only because the characters are a bit crisper but at least they are readable.

(hmm wondering if I have a font problem. Didn't notice whether the MS fonts got installed with 10.1 or not.)

But surely it would not be reliant on being readable only with MS fonts? Can you think of the publicity MS would make out of that? -- ============================================== I am only human, please forgive me if I make a mistake it is not deliberate. ============================================== PLEASE DON'T drink and drive it's not clever, it's just stupid. Kevan Farmer Linux user #373362 Cheslyn Hay Staffordshire WS6 7HR

On Sunday 21 May 2006 01:11, Bruce Marshall wrote:

On Saturday 20 May 2006 12:49 pm, Bruce Marshall wrote:

Another general comment:

In trying to fix my monitor problems, I thought I would try the REPAIR function of the DVD and see if it might fix anything.

As far as I can tell, there is no REPAIR function anymore.

There is. When you get the question "Install or upgrade" there is a tab called "Other". There you'll find more options to select, and one of them should be "repair"

On Saturday 20 May 2006 12:08 pm, Hans du Plooy wrote:

On Sat, 2006-05-20 at 11:19 -0400, Bruce Marshall wrote:

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2) madwifi has gone missing (that's pretty serious)

[snip]

So what do we get in the retail box that we don't get between the 5 OSS CDs and the extra non-OSS CDs?

I burned a significant part of my monthly bandwidth quota to download the OSS version, and I like it and have almost everything I need so far (still busy hacking on it). I was going to buy the retail box when it finally hit our shores, but now I don't know.

madwifi is one of only a handful of things I haven't gotten around to setting up yet, and one of the reasons I buy the box - so I don't have to mess with building kernel modules...

Hans

I can't really tell you the difference. I don't really want to download all that stuff, and I like to support SuSE with my purchase. But I'll admit that the box is becoming less and less desirable. I was running 9.3 on my laptop and was waiting to bring it up to 10.1. Lots of work to do to accomplish that, including madwifi.

On Saturday 20 May 2006 18:58, Hans du Plooy wrote:

Well, the reason I purchased SUSE before (various SuSE/SUSE x.x Pro and SLES) was:

[snip] I'll second what you say, including the remark about Debian. It's nostaligia, I suppose, but the old SuSE really stood behind their product and that feeling can easily get lost in the world of commerce and big corporations. The "Just Works" thing with closed-source code, etc., is quite an issue, too, because if you move away from that then you are doing less to differentiate yourself from the 200++ other distros out there. Debian does have a lot of nice touches, too, such as scripts that will create and install ssl certificates for your mail server. For all that, I still find myself always going back to SuSE, ever since 7.3. Maybe not for a specialist server, but for daily desktop with a full KDE gui use it can't be beat imho. :) Fish

On 5/22/06, jdd sur free wrote:

Mark Crean wrote:

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Maybe not for a specialist server,

for me, I'm not an experienced administrator, the ncurse yast (trough ssh) is an invaluable tool for server management, at least to have default starting point in file config

jdd

I was having some issues with wireless for my laprop some time ago and some other problems during installs, I install suse on everything I can get my hands on. I was also very upset that the CDs contained less packages then the DVD and old machines only have cd-roms so I was stuck as I need mysl-max posgres and some other stuff. I was going to jump ship and move to Mandrake - Mandriva, but there release was late last year and suse was a little earlier. Suse was also the only realease offering 2 versions of official Sun Java VMs, I use java daily, and had everything else I needed and then some. Yast has the ncurses which lets me administer my servers in a familiar environment, MD's installer did not work in text only mode. I used Debian for a while Sarge came with Tomcat version 4.0, Tomcat is now at 5.5, apt is nice and 15000 packages is awesome but installing Debian was a pain the first 7 times and the fact that my choices get saved even when I cancel and packages go missing is a pain for me, aptitude lets me pick from sets of packages which is way easier than browsing 15000 of em but using apt and aptitude proved to cause me problems too. Anyway what I am trying to say is every distro out there has its bad and not so good sides, learning to live with them is one thing we do, changing some of them even better. Despite its ownership by Novell and lack of support of dvds upon install I liked very much version 10.0, it was the fastest I have experienced from suse so far, it did not crash daily like my Debian/Enlightenment set up, and it still boots faster then my windows xp. I start them every mourning side by side and watch the show :). I am at my 9 desktops + 15 apps ready with a database and 2 web servers and more running prior to my xp box checking for virus defs on the network :). I love SuSE, yes I think it could be better, but for what I get I am a fan :) so much so that I am adicted to getting the new stuff does not get any better than this. Regards, George

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Bruce Marshall wrote:

the box is becoming less and less desirable. I was running 9.3 on my laptop and was waiting to bring it up to 10.1. Lots of work to do to accomplish that, including madwifi.

10.1 installed just fine on my Thinkpad R51e - and the madwifi was a doddle. Not much work to do, IMHO. /Per Jessen, Zürich

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Saturday 2006-05-20 at 18:08 +0200, Hans du Plooy wrote:

On Sat, 2006-05-20 at 11:19 -0400, Bruce Marshall wrote:

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2) madwifi has gone missing (that's pretty serious) [snip]

So what do we get in the retail box that we don't get between the 5 OSS CDs and the extra non-OSS CDs?

http://lists.opensuse.org/archive/opensuse/2006-May/0555.html He atached a .diff file with the differences, but it is not in the archive.

madwifi is one of only a handful of things I haven't gotten around to setting up yet, and one of the reasons I buy the box - so I don't have to mess with building kernel modules...

madwifi is there, according to the above mentioned post. I have been trying to find it in the ftp server, but couldn't - perhaps I didn't look well, somebody else can try. - -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFEb5zDtTMYHG2NR9URAh7yAKCMmDYG43wetzbKYhPA4Yx2suzsAwCghfTc rLQ4Nd5770jrqJCdOjwy8yo= =aMtH -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----