[opensuse] Re: Large disks in Opensuse 11
Felix Miata a écrit :
May 6 17:11:40 linux-k9na smartd[3371]: Device: /dev/sda, 1 Currently unreadable (pending) sectors
Have you tried accessing it with a partitioning program yet? Until there are partitions, there is nothing for any user activity except a partitioning program to access.
yes, or with an unreadable file system? can you read the disk with an other computer? If it's known to be empty, may be use YaST partitionner on this disk jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://valerie.dodin.org http://news.opensuse.org/2009/04/13/people-of-opensuse-jean-daniel-dodin/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
jdd wrote:
can you read the disk with an other computer? If it's known to be empty, may be use YaST partitionner on this disk
Yes, as I wrote in an earlier message a Windows Vista computer recognized there to be a 1 Tb unformatted disk. Why will not opensuse 11 read it and let me format it? Or do I do something wrong in Yast? - Thanks to all again! Per Inge Oestmoen, Norway -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 12:04 PM, Per Inge Oestmoen <pioe@coldsiberia.org> wrote:
Yes, as I wrote in an earlier message a Windows Vista computer recognized there to be a 1 Tb unformatted disk.
So we know the external adapter works....
Why will not opensuse 11 read it and let me format it? Or do I do something wrong in Yast?
I hate to point out the obvious, but can you hook this drive directly to a SATA port on the machine? That way you can get direct access. It could be a problem with the partitioning. Or at least try this: cfdisk /dev/sdc cfdisk is a little easier to use(more like DOS's fdisk). If it can't read the disk, it will spit out an error message. Good luck. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday May 6 2009, Larry Stotler wrote:
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I hate to point out the obvious, but can you hook this drive directly to a SATA port on the machine? That way you can get direct access. It could be a problem with the partitioning.
SATA is not intended for hot-plugging. eSATA (external SATA) does support it. If the drive and system have eSATA connectivity, then it's an option, as would be FireWire However, whether a drive is connected by SATA, eSATA, USB, FireWire, SCSI, SAS or IDE / ATA, it is still and equally "directly" connected.
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On Wed, 6 May 2009, Randall R Schulz wrote:-
On Wednesday May 6 2009, Larry Stotler wrote:
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I hate to point out the obvious, but can you hook this drive directly to a SATA port on the machine? That way you can get direct access. It could be a problem with the partitioning.
SATA is not intended for hot-plugging.
All SATA devices are designed to support hot-plugging, but whether you can or can't relies on the SATA chipset driver having support for it. As long as you the data cable before pulling the power cable from the drive, and the chipset driver supports it, there should be no issues. More info is available here: <URL:http://linux-ata.org/software-status.html> <URL:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SATA> <URL:http://ata.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Libata_Feature_Table> However, I can honestly say I've never actually tried it on any of my systems that do support it. The only time I tried was on a 9.3 system, with a kernel version 2.6.11.4, and that doesn't have the required support built in. Kernels with versions 2.6.19 or above, which means those supplied with 10.3 or later, should support it. Regards, David Bolt -- Team Acorn: http://www.distributed.net/ OGR-NG @ ~100Mnodes RC5-72 @ ~1Mkeys/s openSUSE 10.3 32b | openSUSE 11.0 32b | | openSUSE 10.3 64b | openSUSE 11.0 64b | openSUSE 11.1 64b | openSUSE 10.3 PPC | RISC OS 3.6 | RISC OS 3.11 | TOS 4.02 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 2009/05/06 11:18 (GMT-0700) Randall R Schulz composed:
On Wednesday May 6 2009, Larry Stotler wrote:
I hate to point out the obvious, but can you hook this drive directly to a SATA port on the machine? That way you can get direct access. It could be a problem with the partitioning.
SATA is not intended for hot-plugging. eSATA (external SATA) does support it. If the drive and system have eSATA connectivity, then it's an option, as would be FireWire
However, whether a drive is connected by SATA, eSATA, USB, FireWire, SCSI, SAS or IDE / ATA, it is still and equally "directly" connected.
Maybe re "direct access" he's thinking about the throttled throughput from the interposed USB adapter to which the SATA device is directly attached. I certainly don't normally think of an SATA device installed into some USB convenience as "directly" connected. I just can't think of an SATA device not "directly" connected to an ATA port on motherboard or PCI ATA card as being "directly" connected. -- "A fool gives full vent to his anger, but a wise man keeps himself under control." Proverbs 29:11 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday, 2009-05-06 at 11:18 -0700, Randall R Schulz wrote:
SATA is not intended for hot-plugging. eSATA (external SATA) does support it.
No, the only difference is the connector. There are simple passive (ie, iron) converters (SATA to eSATA). - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkoB5RwACgkQtTMYHG2NR9XIQACeLP8VqCRk6/PPMIW9tJnAAbv6 fGgAnRmWgyzubNUet8zVGyUScUDkuGkX =efPr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 3:29 PM, Carlos E. R. <robin.listas@telefonica.net> wrote:
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On Wednesday, 2009-05-06 at 11:18 -0700, Randall R Schulz wrote:
SATA is not intended for hot-plugging. eSATA (external SATA) does support it.
No, the only difference is the connector. There are simple passive (ie, iron) converters (SATA to eSATA).
I'm not familiar with the details of the connectors, but I have experimented with hotplugging with both types. With a powered on drive, you can hotplug eSata and linux is happy. It you try it with a Sata connector, you get issues. I've forgotten what the were. I have *assumed* that the eSata connector has individual pins (or whatever you call them) of different lengths. That allows specific connections to make connections prior to others as the connector slides into place. I know hotswap boards used to use that technique many years ago. Greg -- Greg Freemyer Head of EDD Tape Extraction and Processing team Litigation Triage Solutions Specialist http://www.linkedin.com/in/gregfreemyer First 99 Days Litigation White Paper - http://www.norcrossgroup.com/forms/whitepapers/99%20Days%20whitepaper.pdf The Norcross Group The Intersection of Evidence & Technology http://www.norcrossgroup.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday, 2009-05-06 at 16:03 -0400, Greg Freemyer wrote:
No, the only difference is the connector. There are simple passive (ie, iron) converters (SATA to eSATA). ...
I have *assumed* that the eSata connector has individual pins (or whatever you call them) of different lengths.
That allows specific connections to make connections prior to others as the connector slides into place. I know hotswap boards used to use that technique many years ago.
Good point. Yes, it could be that. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkoB8xcACgkQtTMYHG2NR9VjZgCfRaU9um3Ey4w5mpFavbrE/T+E 4G4AnjaPc7PzHy8IzXAmWdqLdApl0rC3 =u5yG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday May 6 2009, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On Wednesday, 2009-05-06 at 11:18 -0700, Randall R Schulz wrote:
SATA is not intended for hot-plugging. eSATA (external SATA) does support it.
No, the only difference is the connector. There are simple passive (ie, iron) converters (SATA to eSATA).
Is it not the case that the connectors for eSATA are carefully designed to make sure proper sequencing occurs when the connector is plugged in? First ground next power and finally signal pins connect? Hmm... Digging around in my memory... I may be thinking of the connector design for hot-pluggable SATA enclosures...
-- Cheers, Carlos E. R.
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On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 2:18 PM, Randall R Schulz <rschulz@sonic.net> wrote:
SATA is not intended for hot-plugging. eSATA (external SATA) does support it. If the drive and system have eSATA connectivity, then it's an option, as would be FireWire
I didn't say to hot plug, just to try it inside the machine. They may be a bug in the USB chipset, kernel, or module. You can hotplug SATA if there is support for it on the chipset. They sell hotplut modules. SATA is basically a subset of SAS anymore, and SAS was designed for hotplugging.
However, whether a drive is connected by SATA, eSATA, USB, FireWire, SCSI, SAS or IDE / ATA, it is still and equally "directly" connected.
Not if there is some other problem. He's shown that it works on another machine under Vista. I'd say there is an issue on the USB side on his machine somewhere, either hardware or software, and that he should just plug the drive directly into a SATA port on his motherboard and boot and see what happens. This will let him find out if the Motherboard can "see" the drive when he boots. Don't forget that USB drives have a bridge chip to connect them to the SATA drive and some of the older ones didn't have the best compatibility. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday May 6 2009, Larry Stotler wrote:
On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 2:18 PM, Randall R Schulz wrote:
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However, whether a drive is connected by SATA, eSATA, USB, FireWire, SCSI, SAS or IDE / ATA, it is still and equally "directly" connected.
Not if there is some other problem.
I guess I don't know what you mean by "direct." In all these cases there is an electrical connection between the device and the computer that conveys power and the control and data signals. What can be more "direct" than that? Randall Schulz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 4:47 PM, Randall R Schulz <rschulz@sonic.net> wrote:
On Wednesday May 6 2009, Larry Stotler wrote:
On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 2:18 PM, Randall R Schulz wrote:
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However, whether a drive is connected by SATA, eSATA, USB, FireWire, SCSI, SAS or IDE / ATA, it is still and equally "directly" connected.
Not if there is some other problem.
I guess I don't know what you mean by "direct." In all these cases there is an electrical connection between the device and the computer that conveys power and the control and data signals. What can be more "direct" than that?
Well, usb is a scsi protocol transport (T10), not a ata protocol transport (T13). So the linux kernel sends scsi commands to the usb adapter. It has a SAT device (scsi to ata translator) that turns those into ata commands and sends those to the drive. So a bug in the SAT device can cause the drive to not work correctly. I don't consider that a direct connection. Greg -- Greg Freemyer Head of EDD Tape Extraction and Processing team Litigation Triage Solutions Specialist http://www.linkedin.com/in/gregfreemyer First 99 Days Litigation White Paper - http://www.norcrossgroup.com/forms/whitepapers/99%20Days%20whitepaper.pdf The Norcross Group The Intersection of Evidence & Technology http://www.norcrossgroup.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday May 6 2009, Greg Freemyer wrote:
On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 4:47 PM, Randall R Schulz <rschulz@sonic.net> wrote:
On Wednesday May 6 2009, Larry Stotler wrote:
On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 2:18 PM, Randall R Schulz wrote:
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However, whether a drive is connected by SATA, eSATA, USB, FireWire, SCSI, SAS or IDE / ATA, it is still and equally "directly" connected.
Not if there is some other problem.
I guess I don't know what you mean by "direct." In all these cases there is an electrical connection between the device and the computer that conveys power and the control and data signals. What can be more "direct" than that?
Well, usb is a scsi protocol transport (T10), not a ata protocol transport (T13).
So the linux kernel sends scsi commands to the usb adapter. It has a SAT device (scsi to ata translator) that turns those into ata commands and sends those to the drive.
So a bug in the SAT device can cause the drive to not work correctly. I don't consider that a direct connection.
There are multiple junctions and controllers between the CPU (or even the "south bridge" or equivalent) and the peripheral device regardless of the connector or protocol involved and all of them must be controlled and configured by software running on the main CPU.
Greg
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday, 2009-05-06 at 13:47 -0700, Randall R Schulz wrote:
However, whether a drive is connected by SATA, eSATA, USB, FireWire, SCSI, SAS or IDE / ATA, it is still and equally "directly" connected.
Not if there is some other problem.
I guess I don't know what you mean by "direct." In all these cases there is an electrical connection between the device and the computer that conveys power and the control and data signals. What can be more "direct" than that?
I don't consider a disk on USB connected "directly". There is a software conversion from SCSI to USB (usb-storage), then it goes via the USB transport, then a chip does a conversion from USB to PATA or SATA (with a limited subset of the commands). Too many conversions, compared to the HD connected "directly" to the PATA/SATA bus. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkoCDpoACgkQtTMYHG2NR9VSTgCfR367giBE2yzfBT52l/zJ83Ht A08An110pWveYmwDCOvy60Hu3bFjyvl5 =WstE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday May 6 2009, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On Wednesday, 2009-05-06 at 13:47 -0700, Randall R Schulz wrote:
However, whether a drive is connected by SATA, eSATA, USB, FireWire, SCSI, SAS or IDE / ATA, it is still and equally "directly" connected.
Not if there is some other problem.
I guess I don't know what you mean by "direct." In all these cases there is an electrical connection between the device and the computer that conveys power and the control and data signals. What can be more "direct" than that?
I don't consider a disk on USB connected "directly". There is a software conversion from SCSI to USB (usb-storage), then it goes via the USB transport, then a chip does a conversion from USB to PATA or SATA (with a limited subset of the commands). Too many conversions, compared to the HD connected "directly" to the PATA/SATA bus.
By that criterion, the same is true for IDE / ATA drives and ATAPI optical drives, too. Are they not directly connected, either? The problem here is that notions of "directness" are somewhat artificial. It's connected. That's all that really matters.
-- Cheers, Carlos E. R.
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