[opensuse] install leap 15.0 in 10Gb
Hello :-) I have on a computera 10Gb partition with at start 42.1 then 42.3 that is used mostly for rescue use. I try to upgrade to leap 15.0 and it works, but I'm very short on disk space. I had around 1.5Gb free and I fight to have 300Mb free now. I use icewm as windows manager what can I do to reclaim some disk space? (I can't give more disk space, this partition is a remain from history :-) thanks jdd -- http://dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Hi, Le lundi 20 août 2018 à 03:02:19, jdd@dodin.org a écrit :
Hello :-)
I have on a computera 10Gb partition with at start 42.1 then 42.3 that is used mostly for rescue use.
I try to upgrade to leap 15.0 and it works, but I'm very short on disk space. I had around 1.5Gb free and I fight to have 300Mb free now.
I use icewm as windows manager
what can I do to reclaim some disk space? (I can't give more disk space, this partition is a remain from history :-)
Have you tried to purge all cached packages ? zypper clean --all You can look as well at some old log files, depending on the use you had of this system, some of them might take some of the space you want to reclaim. Finally, take a look at old kernel version. Regards, -- Sébastien 'sogal' POHER -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 20/08/2018 à 15:10, sogal a écrit :
Have you tried to purge all cached packages ?
zypper clean --all
yes, but every use of zypper needs rebuilding, so the gain is not that much
You can look as well at some old log files,
his was useful. There was 500Mb logs, I reduced them to 50Mo :-)
Finally, take a look at old kernel version.
only 3, the usual default but then now I have around 700Mb free, it's manageable (ext4) jdd -- http://dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Op maandag 20 augustus 2018 15:02:19 CEST schreef jdd@dodin.org:
Hello :-)
I have on a computera 10Gb partition with at start 42.1 then 42.3 that is used mostly for rescue use.
I try to upgrade to leap 15.0 and it works, but I'm very short on disk space. I had around 1.5Gb free and I fight to have 300Mb free now.
I use icewm as windows manager
what can I do to reclaim some disk space? (I can't give more disk space, this partition is a remain from history :-)
thanks jdd If the install is >8GB there's more installed than just icewm. What you can do, is remove previous kernels, and some huge packages ( Libreoffice f.e. ).
-- Gertjan Lettink a.k.a. Knurpht openSUSE Board Member openSUSE Forums Team -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 20/08/2018 à 15:37, Knurpht-openSUSE a écrit :
If the install is >8GB there's more installed than just icewm. What you can do, is remove previous kernels, and some huge packages ( Libreoffice f.e. ).
I already removed all kde*, gnome*, gtk*. Replaced Firefox by Chromium (not sure it's better). it's an upgrade of upgrade... so may be there are some lost files thanks jdd -- http://dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Op maandag 20 augustus 2018 15:46:53 CEST schreef jdd@dodin.org:
Le 20/08/2018 à 15:37, Knurpht-openSUSE a écrit :
If the install is >8GB there's more installed than just icewm. What you can do, is remove previous kernels, and some huge packages ( Libreoffice f.e. ). I already removed all kde*, gnome*, gtk*. Replaced Firefox by Chromium (not sure it's better).
it's an upgrade of upgrade... so may be there are some lost files
thanks jdd Check in YaST's softwaremanager for 'red' packages, remove those.
-- Gertjan Lettink a.k.a. Knurpht openSUSE Board Member openSUSE Forums Team -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2018-08-20 15:46, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 20/08/2018 à 15:37, Knurpht-openSUSE a écrit :
If the install is >8GB there's more installed than just icewm. What you can do, is remove previous kernels, and some huge packages ( Libreoffice f.e. ).
I already removed all kde*, gnome*, gtk*. Replaced Firefox by Chromium (not sure it's better).
it's an upgrade of upgrade... so may be there are some lost files
LibreOffice is very commonly installed by several patterns, but it makes sense to remove it on small test/rescue partitions. Check for it. Big. There is no sort by size, though. Let me see... cer@Telcontar:~> rpm --querytags | grep -i size ARCHIVESIZE FILESIZES LONGARCHIVESIZE LONGFILESIZES LONGSIGSIZE LONGSIZE SIGSIZE SIZE cer@Telcontar:~> rpm -q -a --queryformat "%{SIZE}\t%{INSTALLTIME:day} \ %{BUILDTIME:day}\t %{SIZE}\t %{ARCHIVESIZE}\t %{FILESIZES}\t %{LONGARCHIVESIZE}\t %{LONGFILESIZES}\t %{LONGSIZE}\t %-30{NAME}\t%15{VERSION}-%-7{RELEASE}\t%{arch} \ %25{VENDOR}%25{PACKAGER} == %{DISTRIBUTION} %{DISTTAG}\n" | sort | cut --fields="2-" | tee rpmlist | less -S end of list: SIZE ARCHIVESIZE FILESIZES LONGARCHIVESIZE LONGFILESIZES LONGSIZE Sun Apr 22 2018 Mon Apr 09 2018 999007 1010372 6448 1010372 6448 999007 yast2-users 3.2.15-2.6.1 x86_64 Mon Feb 05 2018 Tue May 09 2017 9991449 10083300 4096 10083300 4096 9991449 geda-doc 1.8.2-6.4 noarch Mon Feb 05 2018 Thu May 18 2017 999528 1001044 18 1001044 18 999528 libgdata22 0.17.5-3.4 x86_64 Mon Feb 05 2018 M on Jul 17 2017 999640 1002456 892272 1002456 892272 999640 hexchat 2.12.0-3.3 x86_64 The sort is somehow failing - alphabetical sort? Ah, use "--numeric-sort" rpm -q -a --queryformat "%{SIZE}\t%{INSTALLTIME:day} \ %{BUILDTIME:day}\t %{SIZE}\t %{ARCHIVESIZE}\t %{FILESIZES}\t %{LONGARCHIVESIZE}\t %{LONGFILESIZES}\t %{LONGSIZE}\t %-30{NAME}\t%15{VERSION}-%-7{RELEASE}\t%{arch} \ %25{VENDOR}%25{PACKAGER} == %{DISTRIBUTION} %{DISTTAG}\n" | sort --numeric-sort | cut --fields="2-" | tee rpmlist | less -S Fri May 25 2018 Wed May 23 2018 561589670 564219600 4096 564219600 4096 561589670 lazarus 1.8.4-19.1 x86_64 Thu Jun 28 2018 Mon Jun 18 2018 575009182 582428936 4096 582428936 4096 575009182 kernel-source 4.4.138-59.1 noarch Mon Aug 06 2018 Thu Jul 19 2018 575078184 582498068 4096 582498068 4096 575078184 kernel-source 4.4.140-62.2 noarch Mon Feb 05 2018 Fri Apr 07 2017 954341469 955523444 4096 955523444 4096 954341469 kicad-library 4.0.6-1.1 noarch Thu Jun 14 2018 Tue Jun 27 2017 2034836747 2049380832 4096 2049380832 4096 2034836747 FlightGear-data 2017.1.2-2.1 noarch YES! This is much better. I'm unsure which size token to choose, though. We want installed size. Select one, then use it like this: rpm -q -a --queryformat "%{***************}\t%{INSTALLTIME:day} \ %{BUILDTIME:day}\t %{***********}\t %-30{NAME}\t%15{VERSION}-%-7{RELEASE}\t%{arch} \ %25{VENDOR}%25{PACKAGER} == %{DISTRIBUTION} %{DISTTAG}\n" | sort | cut --fields="2-" | tee rpmlist | less -S Alternatively: rpm -q -a --queryformat "%{INSTALLTIME};%{INSTALLTIME:day};%{BUILDTIME:day}; \ %{ARCHIVESIZE};%{FILESIZES};%{LONGARCHIVESIZE};%{LONGFILESIZES};%{LONGSIZE}; \ %{NAME};%{VERSION}-%-7{RELEASE};%{arch}; \ %{VENDOR};%{PACKAGER};%{DISTRIBUTION};%{DISTTAG}\n" \ | sort | cut --fields="2-" --delimiter=\; \ | tee rpmlist.csv | less -S This generates a csv file that can be imported to calc, then sorted at will. HTH :-)) -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.3 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)
On 2018-08-21 7:00 a.m., Carlos E. R. wrote:
LibreOffice is very commonly installed by several patterns, but it makes sense to remove it on small test/rescue partitions. Check for it. Big.
There is no sort by size, though.
Let me see...
I had to adjust your commands slightly but after the kernels, my largest are - LibreOffice - Chromium - MozillaThunderbird In reality, Thunderbird at run time is **HUGE** since it has, even though I use IMAP rather than download messages, all the index files. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 21/08/2018 à 15:24, Anton Aylward a écrit :
I had to adjust your commands slightly but after the kernels, my largest are - LibreOffice
already removed
- Chromium
may be smaller than Firefox?
- MozillaThunderbird
not installed. my main .thunderbird weight 6Gb and the smaller I can find is 4Gb (without local mail) jdd -- http://dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 08/21/2018 08:24 AM, Anton Aylward wrote:
In reality, Thunderbird at run time is **HUGE** since it has, even though I use IMAP rather than download messages, all the index files.
You have to disable keep a copy on this machine in server settings. (that default effectively defeats IMAP benefits) I have 6 accounts, close to 200 folders and close to 100,000 messages and my local ~/.thunderbird store is only: du -hcs ~/.thunderbird/ 128M /home/david/.thunderbird/ 128M total -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 22/08/2018 à 11:37, David C. Rankin a écrit :
On 08/21/2018 08:24 AM, Anton Aylward wrote:
In reality, Thunderbird at run time is **HUGE** since it has, even though I use IMAP rather than download messages, all the index files.
You have to disable keep a copy on this machine in server settings. (that default effectively defeats IMAP benefits)
I have 6 accounts, close to 200 folders and close to 100,000 messages and my local ~/.thunderbird store is only:
du -hcs ~/.thunderbird/ 128M /home/david/.thunderbird/ 128M total
I did recently, but my .thunderbird do not shrink jdd -- http://dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2018-08-22 6:00 a.m., jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 22/08/2018 à 11:37, David C. Rankin a écrit :
On 08/21/2018 08:24 AM, Anton Aylward wrote:
In reality, Thunderbird at run time is **HUGE** since it has, even though I use IMAP rather than download messages, all the index files.
You have to disable keep a copy on this machine in server settings. (that default effectively defeats IMAP benefits)
I have 6 accounts, close to 200 folders and close to 100,000 messages and my local ~/.thunderbird store is only:
du -hcs ~/.thunderbird/ 128M /home/david/.thunderbird/ 128M total
I did recently, but my .thunderbird do not shrink
Yo! anton@main:~> du -bs ~/.thunderbird/3w1a3fxm.default/* | sort -n | tail -15 1789680 /home/anton/.thunderbird/3w1a3fxm.default/minidumps 2164304 /home/anton/.thunderbird/3w1a3fxm.default/places.sqlite-wal 5242880 /home/anton/.thunderbird/3w1a3fxm.default/favicons.sqlite 5242880 /home/anton/.thunderbird/3w1a3fxm.default/places.sqlite 5242880 /home/anton/.thunderbird/3w1a3fxm.default/places.sqlite.corrupt 7801142 /home/anton/.thunderbird/3w1a3fxm.default/Photos 9604386 /home/anton/.thunderbird/3w1a3fxm.default/saved-telemetry-pings 9901938 /home/anton/.thunderbird/3w1a3fxm.default/Mail 15435596 /home/anton/.thunderbird/3w1a3fxm.default/extensions 32199017 /home/anton/.thunderbird/3w1a3fxm.default/pepmda 33340416 /home/anton/.thunderbird/3w1a3fxm.default/calendar-data 51984696 /home/anton/.thunderbird/3w1a3fxm.default/adblockplus 84037342 /home/anton/.thunderbird/3w1a3fxm.default/logs 413844582 /home/anton/.thunderbird/3w1a3fxm.default/ImapMail 485982208 /home/anton/.thunderbird/3w1a3fxm.default/global-messages-db.sqlite and anton@main:~> du -bs ~/.thunderbird/3w1a3fxm.default/Mail/* 2076 /home/anton/.thunderbird/3w1a3fxm.default/Mail/Feeds 9899758 /home/anton/.thunderbird/3w1a3fxm.default/Mail/Local Folders and anton@main:~> du -bs ~/.thunderbird/3w1a3fxm.default/logs/* 217614 /home/anton/.thunderbird/3w1a3fxm.default/logs/indexedFiles.json 83820613 /home/anton/.thunderbird/3w1a3fxm.default/logs/irc Purge? -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 22/08/2018 à 16:49, Anton Aylward a écrit :
Purge?
what I did in my main computer, but after test on an other one: * disable sync in th * close th * rename the th folder as .thunderbird.1 * copy the files (not the folders) of the old default folder to the new default folder * restart th I only lost the subscribed forum (usenet), easy to fix now the th folder is only 400Mb (was 6Gb). I have to backup the old .thunderbird because the local files it have I don't want to lose jdd -- http://dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2018-08-22 11:37, David C. Rankin wrote:
On 08/21/2018 08:24 AM, Anton Aylward wrote:
In reality, Thunderbird at run time is **HUGE** since it has, even though I use IMAP rather than download messages, all the index files.
You have to disable keep a copy on this machine in server settings. (that default effectively defeats IMAP benefits)
No, not really. For example, Alpine does not store local copies of imap folders, not even the indexes. But each time you visit an imap folder it downloads the full index again (I think it can keep track of the last three in ram). What Thunderbird does is store a copy of the index and the visited emails on disk. Makes some things faster and use less network, perhaps. But it is not an imap requirement. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.3 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)
On 08/22/2018 07:33 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2018-08-22 11:37, David C. Rankin wrote:
On 08/21/2018 08:24 AM, Anton Aylward wrote:
In reality, Thunderbird at run time is **HUGE** since it has, even though I use IMAP rather than download messages, all the index files.
You have to disable keep a copy on this machine in server settings. (that default effectively defeats IMAP benefits)
No, not really.
For example, Alpine does not store local copies of imap folders, not even the indexes. But each time you visit an imap folder it downloads the full index again (I think it can keep track of the last three in ram).
What Thunderbird does is store a copy of the index and the visited emails on disk. Makes some things faster and use less network, perhaps. But it is not an imap requirement.
Yes, really, for thunderbird you do. You must very quicky uncheck: Server Settings -> Synchronization & Storage -> [x] Keep messages for this account on this computer (default) or TB will store all messages, attachments, everything, on your local computer instead of simply leaving them on the server and storing the index locally. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
Le 22/08/2018 à 22:02, David C. Rankin a écrit :
You must very quicky uncheck:
Server Settings -> Synchronization & Storage -> [x] Keep messages for this account on this computer (default)
or TB will store all messages, attachments, everything, on your local computer instead of simply leaving them on the server and storing the index locally.
even worse it store sometimes things more than once (the -X part on names) What I tried (on a other computer), is * rename .thunderbird to save it * launch thunderbird to create defaults, untick sync (as said above), close it * copy only the files in the default folder (the one with random numbers in it's name), not the folders. I only lose he subscribed forums in nntp, but not the server config and it was easy to fix. after (new) first start the .thunbderbird size is way under 1Gb, hope it stay so (excluding local folder) thanks jdd -- http://dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2018-08-22 4:51 p.m., jdd@dodin.org wrote: I have 17 remote IMAP accounts, 3 local IMAP accounts with Dovecot and a IMAP-to-Gmail account. I've just been though and pursed all the local-storage settings. anton@main:~> du -Lsh ~/.thunderbird 1.1G /home/anton/.thunderbird Can I purge 'Crash Reports'?
What I tried (on a other computer), is
presumable this is with thunderbird NOT running :-)
* rename .thunderbird to save it
OK with that.
* launch thunderbird to create defaults, untick sync (as said above), close it
sync? That's as in "update.*" in the config?
* copy only the files in the default folder (the one with random numbers in it's name), not the folders.
Please clarify. I have 133 of those including things like xpunge-extension-prefmigration-existing-new-prefs.txt xpunge-extension-prefmigration-old-prefs.txt folderTree-11.json folderTree-24.json folderTree-37.json folderTree-12.json folderTree-25.json folderTree-38.json folderTree-13.json folderTree-26.json folderTree-39.json folderTree-14.json folderTree-27.json folderTree-3.json folderTree-15.json folderTree-28.json folderTree-40.json folderTree-16.json folderTree-29.json folderTree-41.json folderTree-17.json folderTree-2.json folderTree-4.json folderTree-18.json folderTree-30.json folderTree-5.json folderTree-19.json folderTree-31.json folderTree-6.json folderTree-1.json folderTree-32.json folderTree-7.json folderTree-20.json folderTree-33.json folderTree-8.json folderTree-21.json folderTree-34.json folderTree-9.json folderTree-22.json folderTree-35.json folderTree.json folderTree-23.json folderTree-36.json folderTree-10.json and a few other sequenced file names.
I only lose he subscribed forums in nntp, but not the server config and it was easy to fix.
I can live without those and without IRC. Thre's probably a nicer ORC reader then TB. It was just so easy to set up TB. Hmm, I'll need to find my ID and password somewhere ...
after (new) first start the .thunbderbird size is way under 1Gb, hope it stay so (excluding local folder)
I suppose failing all else you can move .thunderbird-saved back. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2018-08-23 21:45, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 2018-08-22 4:51 p.m., jdd@dodin.org wrote:
I have 17 remote IMAP accounts, 3 local IMAP accounts with Dovecot and a IMAP-to-Gmail account.
I've just been though and pursed all the local-storage settings. anton@main:~> du -Lsh ~/.thunderbird 1.1G /home/anton/.thunderbird
Maybe compact folders? -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.3 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)
On 2018-08-24 4:03 a.m., Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2018-08-23 21:45, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 2018-08-22 4:51 p.m., jdd@dodin.org wrote:
I have 17 remote IMAP accounts, 3 local IMAP accounts with Dovecot and a IMAP-to-Gmail account.
I've just been though and pursed all the local-storage settings. anton@main:~> du -Lsh ~/.thunderbird 1.1G /home/anton/.thunderbird
Maybe compact folders?
As in "actually delete the messages marked for deletion". yes, but many of those messages are on the server. How do I PURGE the files that were downloaded because of the stupid default setting? How do I identify them. How do I purge the local copies of the files corresponding to downloads of messages that are NOT marked for deletion and jsut have the copies on the server? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Anton Aylward wrote:
On 2018-08-24 4:03 a.m., Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2018-08-23 21:45, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 2018-08-22 4:51 p.m., jdd@dodin.org wrote:
I have 17 remote IMAP accounts, 3 local IMAP accounts with Dovecot and a IMAP-to-Gmail account.
I've just been though and pursed all the local-storage settings. anton@main:~> du -Lsh ~/.thunderbird 1.1G /home/anton/.thunderbird
Maybe compact folders?
As in "actually delete the messages marked for deletion". yes, but many of those messages are on the server. How do I PURGE the files that were downloaded because of the stupid default setting?
Here is what I'm trying on one account - set the maximum sync period to 1 week, then enable the sync. It didn't ahev any immediate effect, maybe there is regular clean-up operation. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (21.8°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - your free DNS host, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 08/24/2018 08:14 AM, Anton Aylward wrote:
Maybe compact folders? As in "actually delete the messages marked for deletion". yes, but many of those messages are on the server. How do I PURGE the files that were downloaded because of the stupid default setting? How do I identify them. How do I purge the local copies of the files corresponding to downloads of messages that are NOT marked for deletion and jsut have the copies on the server?
What happens if you delete and re-create the account in Thunderbird? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2018-08-24 14:14, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 2018-08-24 4:03 a.m., Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2018-08-23 21:45, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 2018-08-22 4:51 p.m., jdd@dodin.org wrote:
I have 17 remote IMAP accounts, 3 local IMAP accounts with Dovecot and a IMAP-to-Gmail account.
I've just been though and pursed all the local-storage settings. anton@main:~> du -Lsh ~/.thunderbird 1.1G /home/anton/.thunderbird
Maybe compact folders?
As in "actually delete the messages marked for deletion". yes, but many of those messages are on the server. How do I PURGE the files that were downloaded because of the stupid default setting? How do I identify them. How do I purge the local copies of the files corresponding to downloads of messages that are NOT marked for deletion and jsut have the copies on the server?
Huh? Just leave the details up to Thunderbird. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.3 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2018-08-24 14:14, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 2018-08-24 4:03 a.m., Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2018-08-23 21:45, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 2018-08-22 4:51 p.m., jdd@dodin.org wrote:
I have 17 remote IMAP accounts, 3 local IMAP accounts with Dovecot and a IMAP-to-Gmail account.
I've just been though and pursed all the local-storage settings. anton@main:~> du -Lsh ~/.thunderbird 1.1G /home/anton/.thunderbird
Maybe compact folders?
As in "actually delete the messages marked for deletion". yes, but many of those messages are on the server. How do I PURGE the files that were downloaded because of the stupid default setting? How do I identify them. How do I purge the local copies of the files corresponding to downloads of messages that are NOT marked for deletion and jsut have the copies on the server?
Huh? Just leave the details up to Thunderbird.
That was also my instinct, but I'm not sure if TB is going to tidy up that space. On my laptop, I have 16Gb taken up by TB mailbox files - I stopped the sync 2 days ago, nothing's been tidied up. One account I set to "keep 1 week" for the inbox, but the INBOX file sofar remains at 120Mb. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (16.7°C) http://www.cloudsuisse.com/ - your owncloud, hosted in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2018-08-25 09:50, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2018-08-24 14:14, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 2018-08-24 4:03 a.m., Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2018-08-23 21:45, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 2018-08-22 4:51 p.m., jdd@dodin.org wrote:
I have 17 remote IMAP accounts, 3 local IMAP accounts with Dovecot and a IMAP-to-Gmail account.
I've just been though and pursed all the local-storage settings. anton@main:~> du -Lsh ~/.thunderbird 1.1G /home/anton/.thunderbird
Maybe compact folders?
As in "actually delete the messages marked for deletion". yes, but many of those messages are on the server. How do I PURGE the files that were downloaded because of the stupid default setting? How do I identify them. How do I purge the local copies of the files corresponding to downloads of messages that are NOT marked for deletion and jsut have the copies on the server?
Huh? Just leave the details up to Thunderbird.
That was also my instinct, but I'm not sure if TB is going to tidy up that space. On my laptop, I have 16Gb taken up by TB mailbox files - I stopped the sync 2 days ago, nothing's been tidied up. One account I set to "keep 1 week" for the inbox, but the INBOX file sofar remains at 120Mb.
In my experience, when Thunderbird does a compact operation, it does save space. Right click on folder, choose compact. 5599325 on imap.telefonica-4.net/INBOX 4696026 after compact. I have other folders with 3 GB, and 2 GB. The 3 GB is the local one, should not be that large. Problem there, but can't investigate much now, I' leaving for a trip. Account/setting has "message sync" disabled, but then on disk space has "sunc all locally despite of age. I'll change to the most recent 30 days. If you click "advanced" you see which folders are stored locally, but none is marked for this account. It could be 3GB of indexes... Looking at the files, it is all "*msf" files, which are indeed indexes. So the local account in Th keeps 3GB of indexes :-o Similarly for the gmail account. 2 GB of indexes. Ok, investigation done :-) -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.3 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)
Le 25/08/2018 à 11:13, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
In my experience, when Thunderbird does a compact operation, it does save space. Right click on folder, choose compact.
it only remove deleted messages, and this is usually done every some period do not touch indexes jdd -- http://dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2018-08-25 11:31, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 25/08/2018 à 11:13, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
In my experience, when Thunderbird does a compact operation, it does save space. Right click on folder, choose compact.
it only remove deleted messages, and this is usually done every some period
Only when saved space is more than a configured limit.
do not touch indexes
To do that, you need a "repair folder". Right click on folder, properties, repair. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.3 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)
Le 25/08/2018 à 11:36, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
On 2018-08-25 11:31, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
do not touch indexes
To do that, you need a "repair folder". Right click on folder, properties, repair.
oh, yes, didn't notice it was also available for mail (I used it only for nntp) thanks jdd -- http://dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2018-08-25 5:36 a.m., Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2018-08-25 11:31, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 25/08/2018 à 11:13, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
In my experience, when Thunderbird does a compact operation, it does save space. Right click on folder, choose compact.
it only remove deleted messages, and this is usually done every some period
Only when saved space is more than a configured limit.
do not touch indexes
To do that, you need a "repair folder". Right click on folder, properties, repair.
Careful here. You are beginning to confuse what is specific and internal to to TB, what is the IMAP protocol, and what can be done with files on the local file system. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2018-08-25 13:54, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 2018-08-25 5:36 a.m., Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2018-08-25 11:31, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 25/08/2018 à 11:13, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
In my experience, when Thunderbird does a compact operation, it does save space. Right click on folder, choose compact.
it only remove deleted messages, and this is usually done every some period
Only when saved space is more than a configured limit.
do not touch indexes
To do that, you need a "repair folder". Right click on folder, properties, repair.
Careful here. You are beginning to confuse what is specific and internal to to TB, what is the IMAP protocol, and what can be done with files on the local file system.
I only talk of TB. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.3 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2018-08-25 09:50, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
Huh? Just leave the details up to Thunderbird.
That was also my instinct, but I'm not sure if TB is going to tidy up that space. On my laptop, I have 16Gb taken up by TB mailbox files - I stopped the sync 2 days ago, nothing's been tidied up. One account I set to "keep 1 week" for the inbox, but the INBOX file sofar remains at 120Mb.
In my experience, when Thunderbird does a compact operation, it does save space.
When there is something to save, i.e. deleted files, yes. I did the compact on a few folders after I switched off the sync, nothing happened. I presume because no mails were deleted.
If you click "advanced" you see which folders are stored locally, but none is marked for this account.
Right, same here, non are marked. To save space, I don't think there is any way around manually removing the mailbox files. I tried it with a single subfolder - closed TB, moved the mailbox file, left the index, started TB, asked to repair the index. The email contents are intact. There is an old bug report on this: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=765514 I didn't read all of it, but the most recent update is only a month old. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (16.8°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - free dynamic DNS, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2018-08-25 5:13 a.m., Carlos E. R. wrote:
In my experience, when Thunderbird does a compact operation, it does save space. Right click on folder, choose compact.
5599325 on imap.telefonica-4.net/INBOX 4696026 after compact.
yes it does, but WHAT does it compact? As I understand it, it compacts the files you have marked for deletion. If you have saved local files because you mistakenly clicked the check-box when creating that IMAP account and have a pole of locally saved messages and then unclick that check-box, it does not seem to remove the locally saved files. UNLESS you mark the messages for deletion in the account window pane. Now as I and others have commented the point of IMAp is that you shouldn't have needed to download the messages in the first place. if you intended them to be downloaded to a single device then you'd use POP. But if you planned to read your (remote) mailbox using multiple devices (aka phone/tablet) then you want them left on the IMAP server. It seems TB can *also* download a *copy*. As far as I can see, if I compact after marking specific messages for deletion my remote mailbox, in my case at mail.antonaylward.com. goes down in size. But the messages I didn't mark for deletion remain. What happens is that IMAP has a 'delete' command and TB keeps track of which messages you've tagged for deletion. This is all IMAP & remote server. It does NOTHING for the local storage on my PC. At this level we are talking about the 'download messages for the whole account tick-box in TB. It seems to be 'on' by default. turning it off much later does not seem to do anything for the messages that TB has downloaded to its own spaces. The only thing that does, it seems, is Basil's suggestion that you delete the whole TB account. POOF! *EVERYTHING* about it has gone. Now recreate and LO! the messages on the IMAP server are still there! Only now they don't get downloaded because when you recreated the account you made sure that the check-box saying to download messages for this account was OFF. I wish there was a gentler way. And yes, you can download local copies of specific messages even with IMAP and then delete them from the server https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1119213 -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 25/08/2018 à 13:45, Anton Aylward a écrit :
I wish there was a gentler way.
may be the "repair folder"? jdd -- http://dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2018-08-25 7:49 a.m., jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 25/08/2018 à 13:45, Anton Aylward a écrit :
I wish there was a gentler way.
may be the "repair folder"?
jdd
No, I don't think so. I google for that that does and find To rebuild a Mozilla Thunderbird folder in which emails have disappeared or deleted messages are stubbornly still present The semantic problem we seem to be having here is that I don't want to delete messages. I want the messages still there but ONLY on my IMAP server. Now that's fine if I create a new account and make sure that I don't click that bloody check-box to download messages for the whole account. If I want, I can set the 'archive' to a local folder and then click on 'archive' to save the specific and only the specific messages I want, locally. But that's not what I'm talking about. What I'm talking about is this stupid default and my historic accounts. Because of that stupid default most of my accounts have been downloading copies. Yes, messages I specificity tag for deletion get deleted. Yes, at my server, 90-day old messages get moved to mail.antonaylward/IMAP/old-messages. But that's a server feature. I can set it to 60 days or 120 days or 10Meg or 50meg or whatever. And that Has NOTHING to do with IMAP or Thunderbird, it if a supported feature of my ISP. And hey, my ISP also backs up *all* of antonanyward.com, all sub-domains, all files EVERY DAY. Incrementally. For less than US$100/year. But those files on server are only ACCESSED by IMAP. So lets be clear about WHERE the files get deleted. Using Thunderbird and IMAP I can still explicitly and manually download a local copy of a message to anywhere on my file system (that I have access), the mark that message for delete and "compact" that account's folder. Now you can configure TB to delete messages immaterial or mark them for deletion when you click on "compact". Guess how this ties in with the IMAP protocol? http://quanta.sourceforge.net/docs/php/function.imap-expunge.html http://quanta.sourceforge.net/docs/php/function.imap-delete.html -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 08/25/2018 02:16 PM, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 2018-08-25 7:49 a.m., jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 25/08/2018 à 13:45, Anton Aylward a écrit :
I wish there was a gentler way.
may be the "repair folder"?
jdd
No, I don't think so. I google for that that does and find
To rebuild a Mozilla Thunderbird folder in which emails have disappeared or deleted messages are stubbornly still present
Yes, but it actually does more. As it discards and recreate the index, the files storing the indexes can reduce size. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 15.0 (Legolas)) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2018-08-25 13:45, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 2018-08-25 5:13 a.m., Carlos E. R. wrote:
In my experience, when Thunderbird does a compact operation, it does save space. Right click on folder, choose compact.
5599325 on imap.telefonica-4.net/INBOX 4696026 after compact.
yes it does, but WHAT does it compact?
As I understand it, it compacts the files you have marked for deletion.
mails, not files. And no, I did not delete or mark for delete any emails myself.
If you have saved local files because you mistakenly clicked the check-box when creating that IMAP account and have a pole of locally saved messages and then unclick that check-box, it does not seem to remove the locally saved files.
UNLESS you mark the messages for deletion in the account window pane.
Now as I and others have commented the point of IMAp is that you shouldn't have needed to download the messages in the first place. if you intended them to be downloaded to a single device then you'd use POP. But if you planned to read your (remote) mailbox using multiple devices (aka phone/tablet) then you want them left on the IMAP server. It seems TB can *also* download a *copy*.
No, I simply make TB display faster email that were already displayed previously, simple as that. This is not about storing mails for archival. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.3 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)
On 2018-08-25 8:04 a.m., Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2018-08-25 13:45, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 2018-08-25 5:13 a.m., Carlos E. R. wrote:
In my experience, when Thunderbird does a compact operation, it does save space. Right click on folder, choose compact.
5599325 on imap.telefonica-4.net/INBOX 4696026 after compact.
yes it does, but WHAT does it compact?
As I understand it, it compacts the files you have marked for deletion.
mails, not files.
Yes, the individual messages.. My typo.
And no, I did not delete or mark for delete any emails myself.
Then I'm further co fused. What mechanism ... oh wait, are you using filters?
If you have saved local files because you mistakenly clicked the check-box when creating that IMAP account and have a pole of locally saved messages and then unclick that check-box, it does not seem to remove the locally saved files.
I repeat that.
This is not about storing mails for archival.
No, I made that point to contrast between TB downloading the message automagically because of that bloody check-box setting and messages that you makes the explicitly decision to *manually* download. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 08/25/2018 02:22 PM, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 2018-08-25 8:04 a.m., Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2018-08-25 13:45, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 2018-08-25 5:13 a.m., Carlos E. R. wrote:
In my experience, when Thunderbird does a compact operation, it does save space. Right click on folder, choose compact.
5599325 on imap.telefonica-4.net/INBOX 4696026 after compact.
yes it does, but WHAT does it compact?
As I understand it, it compacts the files you have marked for deletion.
mails, not files.
Yes, the individual messages.. My typo.
And no, I did not delete or mark for delete any emails myself.
Then I'm further co fused. What mechanism ... oh wait, are you using filters?
I may, for instance, move emails from ISP to local folders (handled by dovecot)
If you have saved local files because you mistakenly clicked the check-box when creating that IMAP account and have a pole of locally saved messages and then unclick that check-box, it does not seem to remove the locally saved files.
I repeat that.
This is not about storing mails for archival.
No, I made that point to contrast between TB downloading the message automagically because of that bloody check-box setting and messages that you makes the explicitly decision to *manually* download.
Ok :-) -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 15.0 (Legolas)) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Anton Aylward wrote:
Now as I and others have commented the point of IMAp is that you shouldn't have needed to download the messages in the first place. if you intended them to be downloaded to a single device then you'd use POP. But if you planned to read your (remote) mailbox using multiple devices (aka phone/tablet) then you want them left on the IMAP server. It seems TB can *also* download a *copy*.
Yes, I believe this copy is 1) for use in off-line mode and 2) for faster indexing/searching.
The only thing that does, it seems, is Basil's suggestion that you delete the whole TB account.
After disabling sync, I tried deleting an individual mailbox, that worked fine. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (14.7°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - virtual servers, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2018-08-25 8:48 a.m., Per Jessen wrote:
Anton Aylward wrote:
Now as I and others have commented the point of IMAp is that you shouldn't have needed to download the messages in the first place. if you intended them to be downloaded to a single device then you'd use POP. But if you planned to read your (remote) mailbox using multiple devices (aka phone/tablet) then you want them left on the IMAP server. It seems TB can *also* download a *copy*.
Yes, I believe this copy is 1) for use in off-line mode and 2) for faster indexing/searching.
Well to those of us that have the capability to be on-line with not just TB/PC but with a variety of portable devices - phone, tablet - all the time, and that's why we're using IMAP rather than POP, this is a bit irrelevant. if you want to download for reading all your stuff off-line and to search everything, then fine: use POP. As it is I only download very specific messages to my file system where they are managed by my dovecot server. Which is also IMAP accessible :-) And has great indexing. I just wish that my email tools could draw on the capabilities of dovecot's indexing and search capabilities better. https://wiki.dovecot.org/Plugins/FTS
The only thing that does, it seems, is Basil's suggestion that you delete the whole TB account.
After disabling sync, I tried deleting an individual mailbox, that worked fine.
What do you mean by "an individual mailbox" Do you mean the whole account? Do you mean all the message in INBOX? What does "worked fine" mean? -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Anton Aylward wrote:
On 2018-08-25 8:48 a.m., Per Jessen wrote:
Anton Aylward wrote:
Now as I and others have commented the point of IMAp is that you shouldn't have needed to download the messages in the first place. if you intended them to be downloaded to a single device then you'd use POP. But if you planned to read your (remote) mailbox using multiple devices (aka phone/tablet) then you want them left on the IMAP server. It seems TB can *also* download a *copy*.
Yes, I believe this copy is 1) for use in off-line mode and 2) for faster indexing/searching.
Well to those of us that have the capability to be on-line with not just TB/PC but with a variety of portable devices - phone, tablet - all the time, and that's why we're using IMAP rather than POP, this is a bit irrelevant.
Yes and no - faster searching is a Good Thing(r) and it takes the load off the server.
if you want to download for reading all your stuff off-line and to search everything, then fine: use POP.
I have to disagree. Using IMAP in that situation is perfectly valid. Especially when you want to use multiple devices. Judging by my logs, most people use a desktop and a smartphone. Some also a tablet and some also webmail.
I just wish that my email tools could draw on the capabilities of dovecot's indexing and search capabilities better.
It doesn't work for you / your TB ? Which indexing engine do you use in dovecot? (just being curious).
The only thing that does, it seems, is Basil's suggestion that you delete the whole TB account.
After disabling sync, I tried deleting an individual mailbox, that worked fine.
What do you mean by "an individual mailbox"
If you look at your TB directory "ImapMail", and pick one of the accounts, you'll see mailbox files - "INBOX", "Sent", "Trash" etc. Some maybe with subfolders. There is e.g. INBOX = the mailbox INBOX.msf = TB index INBOX.sbd = directory with subfolders.
Do you mean the whole account?
Nope. That's the whole point.
Do you mean all the message in INBOX?
For instance, yes.
What does "worked fine" mean?
That the mailbox was not re-created, that I could still read the emails (now served to me by IMAP), in essence that everything worked fine without a mailbox file. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (14.4°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - your free DNS host, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Per Jessen wrote:
What do you mean by "an individual mailbox"
If you look at your TB directory "ImapMail", and pick one of the accounts, you'll see mailbox files - "INBOX", "Sent", "Trash" etc. Some maybe with subfolders. There is e.g.
INBOX = the mailbox INBOX.msf = TB index INBOX.sbd = directory with subfolders.
I have just tidied up one account with the following: cd ~/.thunderbird/<unique>/ImapMail/<account> find . -type f -name \*msf |\ sed -e 's/.msf$//' |\ while read mb do test -f $mb && rm $mb done Check for typos, do a run with "ls -l $mb" first. My opensuse account was reduced from 740Mb to 34Mb. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (13.8°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - free dynamic DNS, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2018-08-25 12:57 p.m., Per Jessen wrote:
Per Jessen wrote:
What do you mean by "an individual mailbox"
If you look at your TB directory "ImapMail", and pick one of the accounts, you'll see mailbox files - "INBOX", "Sent", "Trash" etc. Some maybe with subfolders. There is e.g.
INBOX = the mailbox INBOX.msf = TB index INBOX.sbd = directory with subfolders.
I have just tidied up one account with the following:
cd ~/.thunderbird/<unique>/ImapMail/<account> find . -type f -name \*msf |\ sed -e 's/.msf$//' |\ while read mb do test -f $mb && rm $mb done
Check for typos, do a run with "ls -l $mb" first.
My opensuse account was reduced from 740Mb to 34Mb.
Well you can do that comprehensively, and clear out other unused files, purse caches and clean the SQLite databases using Bleachbit. Now there is a downside. Perhaps I have the wrong setting clicked ON, but I also loose the per folder setting, the sort-by(threaded=on) goes to off for example and the headings become standardized Running bleachbit as root you can also clear out a few tens of megs of unused locale files!I wish it could links all the COPYING (GPL) files in /usr/share/doc together. That would have a lot more space as well. # find /usr/share/doc -name '*COPYING*' -print | wc -l 1316 # find /usr/share/doc -name '*COPYING*' -print | du -sh 258M . I wish there was some way, in TB, to set more of the defaults for the folders. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Resend from another account. On 08/25/2018 03:50 PM, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 2018-08-25 8:48 a.m., Per Jessen wrote:
Anton Aylward wrote:
Now as I and others have commented the point of IMAp is that you shouldn't have needed to download the messages in the first place. if you intended them to be downloaded to a single device then you'd use POP. But if you planned to read your (remote) mailbox using multiple devices (aka phone/tablet) then you want them left on the IMAP server. It seems TB can *also* download a *copy*.
Yes, I believe this copy is 1) for use in off-line mode and 2) for faster indexing/searching.
Well to those of us that have the capability to be on-line with not just TB/PC but with a variety of portable devices - phone, tablet - all the time, and that's why we're using IMAP rather than POP, this is a bit irrelevant.
if you want to download for reading all your stuff off-line and to search everything, then fine: use POP.
It is not about searching offline, but searching (with TB) while connected. TB can search on its own, without asking the server for assistance (less load on the ISP imap server), and without downloading the messages because it already did. At least, it downloads those messages you have displayed to read, or maybe all depending on the config. If I want to search inside messages with Alpine on the same ISP folder, it goes slow, as no contents are cached locally on disk. Unless it asks the IMAP server to perform the search, something that not all ISP allow.
As it is I only download very specific messages to my file system where they are managed by my dovecot server. Which is also IMAP accessible :-) And has great indexing.
I download all. The capacity of my ISP folders is limited, I think, to 5 GB per account.
I just wish that my email tools could draw on the capabilities of dovecot's indexing and search capabilities better. https://wiki.dovecot.org/Plugins/FTS
Currently I don't have search enabled. I had to disable and postpone to one day. First, decide on one indexer for dovecot. I have to resend from another account. I hope this one works. I'm this moment at Ottawa and my Telefonica ISP SMTP server refused to send my email: Final-Recipient: rfc822; opensuse@opensuse.org Original-Recipient: rfc822;opensuse@opensuse.org Action: failed Status: 5.7.1 Remote-MTA: dns; smtp.telefonica.net Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 551 5.7.1 ACL660: Envio denegado: reputacion de IP baja. Contacte con soporte. Translation: sending denied: low reputation of the IP. Contact support. Sigh :-( -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 15.0 (Legolas)) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Anton Aylward wrote:
As in "actually delete the messages marked for deletion". yes, but many of those messages are on the server. How do I PURGE the files that were downloaded because of the stupid default setting? How do I identify them. How do I purge the local copies of the files corresponding to downloads of messages that are NOT marked for deletion and jsut have the copies on the server?
Delete the Imap folder on your local machine associated with the account you want to clean up. It will recreate indexes, over time...but it shouldn't download the duplicate data. Yeah, FWIW, there was an ill named item on the same page that allowed you to recover local space that talked about expiring messages --- but it applied to the imap account I had my local account fill up to over 3-6M so many times when TB3.x first came out with this feature. When I managed to get it turned off, some update or other would turn it back on and I'd end up with a huge downloaded copy of my IMAP store into... you know where they put this on Windows? Your *roaming profile* folder -- that is downloaded and resynced (in my case) to the same server! Over the years I've seen messages to the effect that some things were moved off, but after several attempts to move to 3.x, THEN finding out that one of my favorite and most used extensions that shows threading was rewritten for 3.x to only work on messages you had downoaded locally...I'm still running 2.x. Takes about 328M total, with my imap mail indices @ 157M, extensions @ 45M and the threadvis local DB @ 41M being the largest 3. threadvis shows what a thread looks like and allows you to hover over the dots of the conversation. Let see if this works ... used to ... Dunno if it will come t
Le 23/08/2018 à 21:45, Anton Aylward a écrit :
* launch thunderbird to create defaults, untick sync (as said above), close it
sync? That's as in "update.*" in the config?
in each account sync and disk space, remove the "keep messages". This can be done from the beginning in running th, it's kept
* copy only the files in the default folder (the one with random numbers in it's name), not the folders.
Please clarify. I have 133 of those including things like
files are pretty small, the only large file is global-messages-db.sqlite, but I guess it will be rebuilt if removed it may be possible to remove even more, but I don't know for sure. That said I didn't copy the -X numbered files
after (new) first start the .thunbderbird size is way under 1Gb, hope it stay so (excluding local folder)
I suppose failing all else you can move .thunderbird-saved back.
this I know is easy, I use to copy .thunderbird on every new account/computer I have and it works only problem that remain is that on the imap server side the mail accounts are now above 12Gb, but my provider do not limit disk size (I use more than 250Gb with photos and videos) jdd -- http://dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2018-08-24 5:42 a.m., jdd@dodin.org wrote:
files are pretty small, the only large file is global-messages-db.sqlite, but I guess it will be rebuilt if removed
Actually quite few of m qlite files are massive: 5.1M /home/anton/.thunderbird/3w1a3fxm.default/favicons.sqlite 1.3M /home/anton/.thunderbird/3w1a3fxm.default/kinto.sqlite 1.2M /home/anton/.thunderbird/3w1a3fxm.default/places.sqlite 5.1M /home/anton/.thunderbird/3w1a3fxm.default/places.sqlite.corrupt 2.2M /home/anton/.thunderbird/3w1a3fxm.default/places.sqlite-wal Can I just delete that ".corrupt"? is there a tool to go though sqlite files and 'condense' them? -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 24 août 2018 17:41:23 GMT+02:00, Anton Aylward <opensuse@antonaylward.com> a écrit :
On 2018-08-24 5:42 a.m., jdd@dodin.org wrote:
files are pretty small, the only large file is global-messages-db.sqlite, but I guess it will be rebuilt if removed
Actually quite few of m qlite files are massive:
5.1M /home/anton/.thunderbird/3w1a3fxm.default/favicons.sqlite 1.3M /home/anton/.thunderbird/3w1a3fxm.default/kinto.sqlite 1.2M /home/anton/.thunderbird/3w1a3fxm.default/places.sqlite 5.1M /home/anton/.thunderbird/3w1a3fxm.default/places.sqlite.corrupt 2.2M /home/anton/.thunderbird/3w1a3fxm.default/places.sqlite-wal
Can I just delete that ".corrupt"?
is there a tool to go though sqlite files and 'condense' them?
pretty easy to rename the file and see what happen 😊 -- Envoyé de mon appareil Android avec Courriel K-9 Mail. Veuillez excuser ma brièveté. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 24/08/2018 à 18:41, Jdd a écrit :
pretty easy to rename the file and see what happen 😊
much better: 11M 24 août 19:37 global-messages-db.sqlite 361M 24 août 19:15 global-messages-db.sqlite.1 .1 is my backup/rename jdd -- http://dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2018-08-24 1:41 p.m., jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 24/08/2018 à 18:41, Jdd a écrit :
pretty easy to rename the file and see what happen 😊
much better:
11M 24 août 19:37 global-messages-db.sqlite 361M 24 août 19:15 global-messages-db.sqlite.1
Hmmmmm 464M Aug 24 19:39 global-messages-db.sqlite mv global-messages-db.sqlite global-messages-db.sqlite.backup restart TB 4.8M Aug 24 19:43 global-messages-db.sqlite Oh WOW 10:1 Does this work for ALL the sqlite files? Not that they are the only space consumers, there still seems to be for files that were downloaded before I turned the download option off. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Anton Aylward wrote:
On 2018-08-24 1:41 p.m., jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 24/08/2018 à 18:41, Jdd a écrit :
pretty easy to rename the file and see what happen 😊
much better:
11M 24 août 19:37 global-messages-db.sqlite 361M 24 août 19:15 global-messages-db.sqlite.1
Hmmmmm
464M Aug 24 19:39 global-messages-db.sqlite mv global-messages-db.sqlite global-messages-db.sqlite.backup
restart TB
4.8M Aug 24 19:43 global-messages-db.sqlite
Oh WOW 10:1
Does this work for ALL the sqlite files?
Maybe. global-messages-db.sqlite is the main search index. By rebuilding after disabling sync, I suspect only the headers are indexed. If you do a body search, it'll happen on the server. Btw, mozilla support confirms you can just remove that file, it is automatically rebuilt. Mine is 2Gig, the others are tiny in comparison. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (16.9°C) http://www.cloudsuisse.com/ - your owncloud, hosted in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2018-08-25 4:07 a.m., Per Jessen wrote:
Anton Aylward wrote:
On 2018-08-24 1:41 p.m., jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 24/08/2018 à 18:41, Jdd a écrit :
pretty easy to rename the file and see what happen 😊
much better:
11M 24 août 19:37 global-messages-db.sqlite 361M 24 août 19:15 global-messages-db.sqlite.1
Hmmmmm
464M Aug 24 19:39 global-messages-db.sqlite mv global-messages-db.sqlite global-messages-db.sqlite.backup
restart TB
4.8M Aug 24 19:43 global-messages-db.sqlite
Oh WOW 10:1
Does this work for ALL the sqlite files?
Maybe. global-messages-db.sqlite is the main search index. By rebuilding after disabling sync, I suspect only the headers are indexed. If you do a body search, it'll happen on the server.
Btw, mozilla support confirms you can just remove that file, it is automatically rebuilt. Mine is 2Gig, the others are tiny in comparison.
Yes, there are before- and after-image files that allow reconstruction. But as I pointed out, I have a few very large files. I'm looking the SqlLite command 'vacuum'. to use when TB is offline. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2018-08-22 22:02, David C. Rankin wrote:
On 08/22/2018 07:33 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2018-08-22 11:37, David C. Rankin wrote:
On 08/21/2018 08:24 AM, Anton Aylward wrote:
In reality, Thunderbird at run time is **HUGE** since it has, even though I use IMAP rather than download messages, all the index files.
You have to disable keep a copy on this machine in server settings. (that default effectively defeats IMAP benefits)
No, not really.
For example, Alpine does not store local copies of imap folders, not even the indexes. But each time you visit an imap folder it downloads the full index again (I think it can keep track of the last three in ram).
What Thunderbird does is store a copy of the index and the visited emails on disk. Makes some things faster and use less network, perhaps. But it is not an imap requirement.
Yes, really, for thunderbird you do.
You must very quicky uncheck:
Server Settings -> Synchronization & Storage -> [x] Keep messages for this account on this computer (default)
No, I want that copy.
or TB will store all messages, attachments, everything, on your local computer instead of simply leaving them on the server and storing the index locally.
no problem :-) -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.3 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)
Le 23/08/2018 à 00:16, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
Server Settings -> Synchronization & Storage -> [x] Keep messages for this account on this computer (default)
No, I want that copy.
you can't with only 10Gb total :-( jdd -- http://dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2018-08-23 11:20, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 23/08/2018 à 00:16, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
Server Settings -> Synchronization & Storage -> [x] Keep messages for this account on this computer (default)
No, I want that copy.
you can't with only 10Gb total :-(
ah, ok. I don't use Thunderbird in that case; instead, I use Alpine. Or, I symlink space to another partition. However: cer@minas-tirith:/other> df -h . Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/sda9 6.9G 5.3G 1.3G 81% /other cer@minas-tirith:/other> cer@minas-tirith:/other/home/cer/.thunderbird> uses 77,410,197 bytes Apparently, I did not disable the cache on two imap folders out of six. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.3 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)
David C. Rankin wrote:
Yes, really, for thunderbird you do.
You must very quicky uncheck:
Server Settings -> Synchronization & Storage -> [x] Keep messages for this account on this computer (default)
or TB will store all messages, attachments, everything, on your local computer instead of simply leaving them on the server and storing the index locally.
What a ridiculous default. It would surely have been better to say "keep the last 30 days worth" for offline use. My older 2.0 TB doesn't have this setting/default. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (20.2°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - virtual servers, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 08/23/2018 02:31 AM, Per Jessen wrote:
or TB will store all messages, attachments, everything, on your local computer instead of simply leaving them on the server and storing the index locally. What a ridiculous default. It would surely have been better to say "keep the last 30 days worth" for offline use.
That would depend on the computer. For example, I want all messages to be stored on my desktop computer, but not on my notebook or Android devices. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
James Knott wrote:
On 08/23/2018 02:31 AM, Per Jessen wrote:
or TB will store all messages, attachments, everything, on your local computer instead of simply leaving them on the server and storing the index locally. What a ridiculous default. It would surely have been better to say "keep the last 30 days worth" for offline use.
That would depend on the computer. For example, I want all messages to be stored on my desktop computer, but not on my notebook or Android devices.
Going off-topic - it's still a ridiculous _default_ setting. I wouldn't want my mail kept anywhere but on the imap server. My archive accounts I certainly would not want anywhere but on the archive server. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (17.6°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - virtual servers, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2018-08-24 08:49, Per Jessen wrote:
James Knott wrote:
On 08/23/2018 02:31 AM, Per Jessen wrote:
or TB will store all messages, attachments, everything, on your local computer instead of simply leaving them on the server and storing the index locally. What a ridiculous default. It would surely have been better to say "keep the last 30 days worth" for offline use.
That would depend on the computer. For example, I want all messages to be stored on my desktop computer, but not on my notebook or Android devices.
Going off-topic - it's still a ridiculous _default_ setting. I wouldn't want my mail kept anywhere but on the imap server. My archive accounts I certainly would not want anywhere but on the archive server.
It depends. If going over Internet with a slow connection, I might prefer to cache it all. At least if Thunderbird is efficient and doesn't re-download it all on a whim. If the machine has disk space, why not? What I want to reduce, however, is the memory footprint of Thunderbird. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.3 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)
On Fri, 24 Aug 2018 08:49:58 +0200 Per Jessen <per@computer.org> wrote:
James Knott wrote:
On 08/23/2018 02:31 AM, Per Jessen wrote:
or TB will store all messages, attachments, everything, on your local computer instead of simply leaving them on the server and storing the index locally. What a ridiculous default. It would surely have been better to say "keep the last 30 days worth" for offline use.
That would depend on the computer. For example, I want all messages to be stored on my desktop computer, but not on my notebook or Android devices.
Going off-topic - it's still a ridiculous _default_ setting. I wouldn't want my mail kept anywhere but on the imap server. My archive accounts I certainly would not want anywhere but on the archive server.
It's a matter of personal opinion. There's no way I would leave anything on a server. I download it all and keep my own backup. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 08/24/2018 07:57 AM, Dave Howorth wrote:
It's a matter of personal opinion. There's no way I would leave anything on a server. I download it all and keep my own backup.
With IMAP, mail is normally left on the server so that it's available to every device that connects to the account. This is a major reason for using it, instead of POP, when having multiple computers, mobile devices, etc.. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Dave Howorth wrote:
It's a matter of personal opinion. There's no way I would leave anything on a server. I download it all and keep my own backup.
Depends on your definition of server. If you are talking about 3rd-party owned, yeah, but if you are talking home Suse-linux server, its got a better backup system, by far than Windows, anyday. Usually higher uptime as well: server: 19:16pm up 69 days 20:21, 0 users, load average: 0.02, 0.02, 0.00 windows: 19:17:00 up 11 days, 6:26, 1 user, load average: 1.18, 1.18, 1.18 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2018-08-24 2:49 a.m., Per Jessen wrote:
Going off-topic - it's still a ridiculous _default_ setting. I wouldn't want my mail kept anywhere but on the imap server. My archive accounts I certainly would not want anywhere but on the archive server.
+1 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2018-08-22 4:02 p.m., David C. Rankin wrote:
You must very quicky uncheck:
Server Settings -> Synchronization & Storage -> [x] Keep messages for this account on this computer (default)
or TB will store all messages, attachments, everything, on your local computer instead of simply leaving them on the server and storing the index locally.
DAMN! It seems the default was to have that ticked ON. So I've been though all my accounts and turned it off. Apparently you CAN set it on for folders as well as accounts! Now, does turning it off PURGE? It seems not. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Anton Aylward wrote:
On 2018-08-22 4:02 p.m., David C. Rankin wrote:
You must very quicky uncheck:
Server Settings -> Synchronization & Storage -> [x] Keep messages for this account on this computer (default)
or TB will store all messages, attachments, everything, on your local computer instead of simply leaving them on the server and storing the index locally.
DAMN! It seems the default was to have that ticked ON. So I've been though all my accounts and turned it off.
Ditto.
Apparently you CAN set it on for folders as well as accounts!
I think that has been available for a long time - ISTR a tickbox "make available for off-line use" on a folder.
Now, does turning it off PURGE? It seems not.
Yeah, on my laptop my ImapMail folder hasn't shrunk yet. (16Gb worth). -- Per Jessen, Zürich (17.6°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - virtual servers, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Anton Aylward wrote:
On 2018-08-21 7:00 a.m., Carlos E. R. wrote:
LibreOffice is very commonly installed by several patterns, but it makes sense to remove it on small test/rescue partitions. Check for it. Big.
There is no sort by size, though.
Let me see...
I had to adjust your commands slightly but after the kernels, my largest are - LibreOffice - Chromium - MozillaThunderbird
In reality, Thunderbird at run time is **HUGE** since it has, even though I use IMAP rather than download messages, all the index files.
I have four live accounts and two archive accounts, all imap - TB takes up 288Mb, that's all. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (28.5°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - virtual servers, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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