Re: [opensuse] double dual boot with windows
On 12/09/2015 01:54 PM, Greg Freemyer wrote:
Mostly agreed, but:
- a lot of low-end PCs don't have the Intel CPU extension that makes virtual so fast (VT-x if I recall correctly). AMD has a similar extension I believe, but I mostly do Intel.
I haven't tried a VM without those extensions, but my impression is the performance is much worse.
Agreed. But that's been standard for 10 years or more. Anything that can run a hyper-visor will be fine. AND lots of memory. Also More cores = better. But those things also seem to b standard these days. -- After all is said and done, more is said than done. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 09/12/2015 23:06, John Andersen a écrit :
But that's been standard for 10 years or more. Anything that can run a hyper-visor will be fine. AND lots of memory. Also More cores = better. But those things also seem to b standard these days.
yes speed is less a problem, but usb is. only usb 1 is standard in virtualbox (I couldn't even install the usb 2 addition) and some devices still do not works in virtual usb and, of course, gaming (in windows) and video editing (in linux) do not want to share any power jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 09/12/15 23:10, jdd wrote:
Le 09/12/2015 23:06, John Andersen a écrit :
But that's been standard for 10 years or more. Anything that can run a hyper-visor will be fine. AND lots of memory. Also More cores = better. But those things also seem to b standard these days.
yes speed is less a problem, but usb is. only usb 1 is standard in virtualbox (I couldn't even install the usb 2 addition) and some devices still do not works in virtual usb
and, of course, gaming (in windows) and video editing (in linux) do not want to share any power
jdd Hi I found the name:
Acer Aspire ES1-711-C93P -Intel Celeron N2840, 4 GB de RAM, 500 GB, Intel HD Graphics 4400, Windows 8.1 It's slow on 3d but the screen is excellent on anything else. Maybe someone knows a trick to get the hypervisor? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 5:06 PM, John Andersen
On 12/09/2015 01:54 PM, Greg Freemyer wrote:
Mostly agreed, but:
- a lot of low-end PCs don't have the Intel CPU extension that makes virtual so fast (VT-x if I recall correctly). AMD has a similar extension I believe, but I mostly do Intel.
I haven't tried a VM without those extensions, but my impression is the performance is much worse.
Agreed.
But that's been standard for 10 years or more. Anything that can run a hyper-visor will be fine. AND lots of memory. Also More cores = better. But those things also seem to b standard these days.
Here's one counter example (possibly extreme): http://ark.intel.com/products/81712/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E5-2685-v3-30M-Cach... It was released Q3 of last year, so a relatively new CPU. It's $2K for the recommended price of just the CPU so this is the opposite of low-end, but it doesn't have VT-x included. Why that exists, I don't know. A more personal experience: My business partner bought a MS Surface 2 for $1,000 about 2 years ago. We didn't realize until later that it didn't have the VT-x extensions. That was in early 2014, so for whatever reason it was not universal that all decent machines had VT-x 24 months ago. I don't know about now. Greg -- Greg Freemyer www.IntelligentAvatar.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 09/12/15 23:36, Greg Freemyer wrote:
On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 5:06 PM, John Andersen
wrote: On 12/09/2015 01:54 PM, Greg Freemyer wrote:
Mostly agreed, but:
- a lot of low-end PCs don't have the Intel CPU extension that makes virtual so fast (VT-x if I recall correctly). AMD has a similar extension I believe, but I mostly do Intel.
I haven't tried a VM without those extensions, but my impression is the performance is much worse.
Agreed.
But that's been standard for 10 years or more. Anything that can run a hyper-visor will be fine. AND lots of memory. Also More cores = better. But those things also seem to b standard these days. Here's one counter example (possibly extreme):
http://ark.intel.com/products/81712/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E5-2685-v3-30M-Cach...
It was released Q3 of last year, so a relatively new CPU.
It's $2K for the recommended price of just the CPU so this is the opposite of low-end, but it doesn't have VT-x included.
Why that exists, I don't know.
A more personal experience: My business partner bought a MS Surface 2 for $1,000 about 2 years ago. We didn't realize until later that it didn't have the VT-x extensions. That was in early 2014, so for whatever reason it was not universal that all decent machines had VT-x 24 months ago.
I don't know about now.
Greg -- Greg Freemyer www.IntelligentAvatar.net On our machines, you have to upgrade the bios. That invalidates the warranty though. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 12/09/2015 02:36 PM, Greg Freemyer wrote:
On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 5:06 PM, John Andersen
wrote: On 12/09/2015 01:54 PM, Greg Freemyer wrote:
Mostly agreed, but:
- a lot of low-end PCs don't have the Intel CPU extension that makes virtual so fast (VT-x if I recall correctly). AMD has a similar extension I believe, but I mostly do Intel.
I haven't tried a VM without those extensions, but my impression is the performance is much worse.
Agreed.
But that's been standard for 10 years or more. Anything that can run a hyper-visor will be fine. AND lots of memory. Also More cores = better. But those things also seem to b standard these days.
Here's one counter example (possibly extreme):
http://ark.intel.com/products/81712/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E5-2685-v3-30M-Cach...
It was released Q3 of last year, so a relatively new CPU.
It's $2K for the recommended price of just the CPU so this is the opposite of low-end, but it doesn't have VT-x included.
Why that exists, I don't know.
A more personal experience: My business partner bought a MS Surface 2 for $1,000 about 2 years ago. We didn't realize until later that it didn't have the VT-x extensions. That was in early 2014, so for whatever reason it was not universal that all decent machines had VT-x 24 months ago.
I don't know about now.
Wow. My first generation Surface Pro, with an intel Core i5-3317U has VT-x. I run VMware Player on it to run a choice of virtual machines and it works like a champ. With the whole SURFACE line (just like any others) you have to check which processor you are getting and preventing obsolescence suggests buying the high end processors if you can afford it. That said, although the hardware is nice, very nice, there are cheaper machines out there than the Surface line -- After all is said and done, more is said than done. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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