[opensuse] Are there ANY compelling reasons to upgrade to 11.0?

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Wendell Nichols

3 Jul 2008 3 Jul '08

15:30

I'm normally all over a new distro by now but I just got my T61p laptop working properly with Suse 10.3 (video drivers for nvidia that work with suspend resume were hard to find). I've trolled through the enhancements etc and just can't find any compelling reason to think that laptop support has improved in 11.0. Indeed there seem to be lots of people complaining about knetworkmanager, and no one raves about its bluetooth support. These are not the sort of things you can test in a VM... so what say you? What are the absolutely great things about 11.0? wcn -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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Matthew Stringer

3 Jul 3 Jul

15:49

On Thursday 03 July 2008 16:30:35 Wendell Nichols wrote:

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I'm normally all over a new distro by now but I just got my T61p laptop working properly with Suse 10.3 (video drivers for nvidia that work with suspend resume were hard to find). I've trolled through the enhancements etc and just can't find any compelling reason to think that laptop support has improved in 11.0. Indeed there seem to be lots of people complaining about knetworkmanager, and no one raves about its bluetooth support. These are not the sort of things you can test in a VM... so what say you? What are the absolutely great things about 11.0? wcn

From my point of view Zypper & YaST were miles better than 10.3 (although Smart is having all kinds of problems but with the others fixed this isn't really a problem), BT works fine for me whereas I had issues with it before. There's a few little niggles here and there with it but none of them showstoppers and usually easy to work around. There are still issues with apps just dying for no obvious reason, the OS is solid but there's still a long way to go, I don't think this is Suse specific, more of a Linux-wide issue. So unless you have issues with 10.3 I'd hang onto it for now, give 11 time to mature a bit. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Clayton

16:15

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are not the sort of things you can test in a VM... so what say you? What are the absolutely great things about 11.0?

Well.. for one.. I can install it. I wasn't able to install 10.3 on my hardware (main computer). There was some serious compatibility issues between the 10.3 kernel and my hardware. I couldn't even boot the install DVD or CD. Package Management through YaST WORKS! and works very VERY well. The boot cycle in 11.0 is a LOT faster. From off to functioning desktop is only a few seconds (maybe 20, I haven't timed it) compared to more than a minute and a half on my current hardware Did I mention package management? C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

J Sloan

19:13

Wendell Nichols wrote:

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I'm normally all over a new distro by now but I just got my T61p laptop working properly with Suse 10.3 (video drivers for nvidia that work with suspend resume were hard to find). I've trolled through the enhancements etc and just can't find any compelling reason to think that laptop support has improved in 11.0. Indeed there seem to be lots of people complaining about knetworkmanager, and no one raves about its bluetooth support. These are not the sort of things you can test in a VM... so what say you? What are the absolutely great things about 11.0?

I'm of 2 minds about suse 11.0. On the one hand, there is my experience with upgrading my work machine from 10.3 to 11.0, and on the other hand, my son's experience upgrading his laptop from 10.2 to 11.0 last night. On my work machine, I went with gnome, as I wanted to give it a try. Unfortunately I was plagued with problems - for instance, I couldn't set up a printer because the printer setup app would crash and burn every single time I tried it. The online update applet would fail every time, so there was an endless loop of red notification icon and "updates available", package downloads, crash and burn, and back to the update notification. Other important apps would crash too, and by the end of the week I'd had it, and decided to switch to ubuntu 8.04, which had been rock solid on my laptop. In one last mad fling, I installed the kde3 pattern, and once I logged into kde3, sanity reigned. I could create a printer. Online update worked. There are a few little issues, but nowhere near the problems I had with gnome. OTOH my son's laptop upgrade from 10.2 to 11.0 was a breeze. All the things that didn't work at all in 10.2, such as the headphones and the webcam, worked out of the box in 11.0, and he remarked about the improvement in software management and online update speed, and said the video was sharper and faster as well. He's a long time kde user and went with kde 3.5 I guess the moral of the story is, if you use kde 3.5, suse 11.0 is a good update. On the server side it's seems to be fairly solid as well. Otherwise, I'd wait for 11.1 Joe -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

John Andersen

4 Jul 4 Jul

16:45

On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 8:30 AM, Wendell Nichols wrote:

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I've trolled through the enhancements etc and just can't find any compelling reason to think that laptop support has improved in 11.0.

There is no compelling reason yet. Perhaps when 11.1 comes along things will be different. Basically you end up with a development stage KDE4, and a new OS version, both of which are usually something you want to avoid on machines you want to be stable. The Devs assure us that all "CORE" functionality is into KDE4, but that leaves a lot that is not yet there or not yet working. Given another release cycle it may be mature enough to do what KDE3 does, and the inevitable bugs in 11 (no show stoppers yet that I've heard of) will be fixed. I have KDE4 in a VM, and am slowly building a list of all the inadequacies in the "CORE" features of KDE4. Without a running KDE3 to compare it to, most users "say" it works, but then don't want to look foolish by coming back and posting things that don't work, AND since most users overwrite their KDE3 they have nothing to compare it to. -- ----------JSA--------- "Ubuntu" is an African word meaning "Suse is too hard for me". -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org