[opensuse] Are there ANY compelling reasons to upgrade to 11.0?
I'm normally all over a new distro by now but I just got my T61p laptop working properly with Suse 10.3 (video drivers for nvidia that work with suspend resume were hard to find). I've trolled through the enhancements etc and just can't find any compelling reason to think that laptop support has improved in 11.0. Indeed there seem to be lots of people complaining about knetworkmanager, and no one raves about its bluetooth support. These are not the sort of things you can test in a VM... so what say you? What are the absolutely great things about 11.0? wcn -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 03 July 2008 16:30:35 Wendell Nichols wrote:
I'm normally all over a new distro by now but I just got my T61p laptop working properly with Suse 10.3 (video drivers for nvidia that work with suspend resume were hard to find). I've trolled through the enhancements etc and just can't find any compelling reason to think that laptop support has improved in 11.0. Indeed there seem to be lots of people complaining about knetworkmanager, and no one raves about its bluetooth support. These are not the sort of things you can test in a VM... so what say you? What are the absolutely great things about 11.0? wcn
From my point of view Zypper & YaST were miles better than 10.3 (although Smart is having all kinds of problems but with the others fixed this isn't really a problem), BT works fine for me whereas I had issues with it before. There's a few little niggles here and there with it but none of them showstoppers and usually easy to work around. There are still issues with apps just dying for no obvious reason, the OS is solid but there's still a long way to go, I don't think this is Suse specific, more of a Linux-wide issue. So unless you have issues with 10.3 I'd hang onto it for now, give 11 time to mature a bit. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
are not the sort of things you can test in a VM... so what say you? What are the absolutely great things about 11.0?
Well.. for one.. I can install it. I wasn't able to install 10.3 on my hardware (main computer). There was some serious compatibility issues between the 10.3 kernel and my hardware. I couldn't even boot the install DVD or CD. Package Management through YaST WORKS! and works very VERY well. The boot cycle in 11.0 is a LOT faster. From off to functioning desktop is only a few seconds (maybe 20, I haven't timed it) compared to more than a minute and a half on my current hardware Did I mention package management? C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Wendell Nichols wrote:
I'm normally all over a new distro by now but I just got my T61p laptop working properly with Suse 10.3 (video drivers for nvidia that work with suspend resume were hard to find). I've trolled through the enhancements etc and just can't find any compelling reason to think that laptop support has improved in 11.0. Indeed there seem to be lots of people complaining about knetworkmanager, and no one raves about its bluetooth support. These are not the sort of things you can test in a VM... so what say you? What are the absolutely great things about 11.0?
I'm of 2 minds about suse 11.0. On the one hand, there is my experience with upgrading my work machine from 10.3 to 11.0, and on the other hand, my son's experience upgrading his laptop from 10.2 to 11.0 last night. On my work machine, I went with gnome, as I wanted to give it a try. Unfortunately I was plagued with problems - for instance, I couldn't set up a printer because the printer setup app would crash and burn every single time I tried it. The online update applet would fail every time, so there was an endless loop of red notification icon and "updates available", package downloads, crash and burn, and back to the update notification. Other important apps would crash too, and by the end of the week I'd had it, and decided to switch to ubuntu 8.04, which had been rock solid on my laptop. In one last mad fling, I installed the kde3 pattern, and once I logged into kde3, sanity reigned. I could create a printer. Online update worked. There are a few little issues, but nowhere near the problems I had with gnome. OTOH my son's laptop upgrade from 10.2 to 11.0 was a breeze. All the things that didn't work at all in 10.2, such as the headphones and the webcam, worked out of the box in 11.0, and he remarked about the improvement in software management and online update speed, and said the video was sharper and faster as well. He's a long time kde user and went with kde 3.5 I guess the moral of the story is, if you use kde 3.5, suse 11.0 is a good update. On the server side it's seems to be fairly solid as well. Otherwise, I'd wait for 11.1 Joe -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 8:30 AM, Wendell Nichols <wcn00@shaw.ca> wrote:
I've trolled through the enhancements etc and just can't find any compelling reason to think that laptop support has improved in 11.0.
There is no compelling reason yet. Perhaps when 11.1 comes along things will be different. Basically you end up with a development stage KDE4, and a new OS version, both of which are usually something you want to avoid on machines you want to be stable. The Devs assure us that all "CORE" functionality is into KDE4, but that leaves a lot that is not yet there or not yet working. Given another release cycle it may be mature enough to do what KDE3 does, and the inevitable bugs in 11 (no show stoppers yet that I've heard of) will be fixed. I have KDE4 in a VM, and am slowly building a list of all the inadequacies in the "CORE" features of KDE4. Without a running KDE3 to compare it to, most users "say" it works, but then don't want to look foolish by coming back and posting things that don't work, AND since most users overwrite their KDE3 they have nothing to compare it to. -- ----------JSA--------- "Ubuntu" is an African word meaning "Suse is too hard for me". -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
I have KDE4 in a VM, and am slowly building a list of all the inadequacies in the "CORE" features of KDE4.
Without a running KDE3 to compare it to, most users "say" it works, but then don't want to look foolish by coming back and posting things that don't work, AND since most users overwrite their KDE3 they have nothing to compare it to.
-- ----------JSA--------- "Ubuntu" is an African word meaning "Suse is too hard for me".
I did a one-click install for 4.0.84 of KDE and I think it's not bad. Every day there are software updates for it in the updater. But, that's okay because it seems those updates are making it more and more stable. That's just my opinion. YMMV. -- Michael S. Dunsavage -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 1:06 PM, Michael S. Dunsavage <mikesd@ptd.net> wrote:
I have KDE4 in a VM, and am slowly building a list of all the inadequacies in the "CORE" features of KDE4.
Without a running KDE3 to compare it to, most users "say" it works, but then don't want to look foolish by coming back and posting things that don't work, AND since most users overwrite their KDE3 they have nothing to compare it to.
-- ----------JSA--------- "Ubuntu" is an African word meaning "Suse is too hard for me".
I did a one-click install for 4.0.84 of KDE and I think it's not bad. Every day there are software updates for it in the updater. But, that's okay because it seems those updates are making it more and more stable. That's just my opinion. YMMV. -- Michael S. Dunsavage
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I think the "should I upgrade to 11.0" debate may be quite different depending on if you are a KDE or a GNOME user. If you are a KDE user, you might be well served by sticking w/ 10.3, and perhaps upgrading to 3.5.9 via the build service if you are happy with your current set up - same for a GNOME user - just upgrade to the latest GNOME via build service and wait until 11.1 if everything is set up now to your specs, and working properly. If you happen to be a KDE user and want to use KDE 4, I'd recommend updating to the latest dev. version of KDE just like Michael did, as most report it's a leaps and bounds better than the 4.0.x that released w/ 11.0, and stay w/ the updates all the way to KDE 4.1. Personally, I'm a GNOME user, and I upgraded to 11.0, and I'm happy I did - there wasn't any "big" changes in the GNOME desktop in 11.0 (other than a newer version of GNOME), but I think the combination of improvements in kernel 2.6.25 + gcc 4.3 have made things faster over all, and you can't ignore the improvements in zypper which make package management a dream over any 10.x version IMHO. I do always tend to have the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" mentality w/ software sometimes, but I think 11.0 is a solid release over-all. -- -jayson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 11:11 AM, Jayson Rowe <jayson.rowe@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 1:06 PM, Michael S. Dunsavage <mikesd@ptd.net> wrote:
I have KDE4 in a VM, and am slowly building a list of all the inadequacies in the "CORE" features of KDE4.
Without a running KDE3 to compare it to, most users "say" it works, but then don't want to look foolish by coming back and posting things that don't work, AND since most users overwrite their KDE3 they have nothing to compare it to.
-- ----------JSA--------- "Ubuntu" is an African word meaning "Suse is too hard for me".
I did a one-click install for 4.0.84 of KDE and I think it's not bad. Every day there are software updates for it in the updater. But, that's okay because it seems those updates are making it more and more stable. That's just my opinion. YMMV. -- Michael S. Dunsavage
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I think the "should I upgrade to 11.0" debate may be quite different depending on if you are a KDE or a GNOME user. If you are a KDE user, you might be well served by sticking w/ 10.3, and perhaps upgrading to 3.5.9 via the build service if you are happy with your current set up - same for a GNOME user - just upgrade to the latest GNOME via build service and wait until 11.1 if everything is set up now to your specs, and working properly. If you happen to be a KDE user and want to use KDE 4, I'd recommend updating to the latest dev. version of KDE just like Michael did, as most report it's a leaps and bounds better than the 4.0.x that released w/ 11.0, and stay w/ the updates all the way to KDE 4.1.
Personally, I'm a GNOME user, and I upgraded to 11.0, and I'm happy I did - there wasn't any "big" changes in the GNOME desktop in 11.0 (other than a newer version of GNOME), but I think the combination of improvements in kernel 2.6.25 + gcc 4.3 have made things faster over all, and you can't ignore the improvements in zypper which make package management a dream over any 10.x version IMHO.
I do always tend to have the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" mentality w/ software sometimes, but I think 11.0 is a solid release over-all.
Given your last sentence, which impovements constitute the "Compelling reason" the op was asking about? You are the first person to report ANY speed differences as far as I have seen. -- ----------JSA--------- "Ubuntu" is an African word meaning "Suse is too hard for me". -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Given your last sentence, which impovements constitute the "Compelling reason" the op was asking about?
You are the first person to report ANY speed differences as far as I have seen.
-- ----------JSA--------- "Ubuntu" is an African word meaning "Suse is too hard for me".
One of the biggest selling points for me is the improvement of Yast, both gui and ncurses. It is much faster. I guess if you have a working stable 10.3, and you don't feel the need to upgrade, then don't. If you want to see what has been improved, you should check out the the release notes: http://www.suse.com/relnotes/i386/openSUSE/11.0/RELEASE-NOTES.en.html . You asked for opinions, and that's mine. Take it as you will. -- Michael S. Dunsavage -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
I do always tend to have the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" mentality w/ software sometimes, but I think 11.0 is a solid release over-all.
Given your last sentence, which impovements constitute the "Compelling reason" the op was asking about?
You are the first person to report ANY speed differences as far as I have seen.
-- ----------JSA--------- "Ubuntu" is an African word meaning "Suse is too hard for me".
As for an answer to his last sentence, maybe you should look above to this sentence: <START QUOTE> but I think the combination of improvements in kernel 2.6.25 + gcc 4.3 have made things faster over all, and you can't ignore the improvements in zypper which make package management a dream over any 10.x version IMHO. <END QUOTE> -- Michael S. Dunsavage -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 10:06 AM, Michael S. Dunsavage <mikesd@ptd.net> wrote:
But, that's okay because it seems those updates are making it more and more stable. That's just my opinion. YMMV. --
So then it crashed on you prior to these updates? -- ----------JSA--------- "Ubuntu" is an African word meaning "Suse is too hard for me". -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, 2008-07-04 at 12:23 -0700, John Andersen wrote:
On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 10:06 AM, Michael S. Dunsavage <mikesd@ptd.net> wrote:
But, that's okay because it seems those updates are making it more and more stable. That's just my opinion. YMMV. --
So then it crashed on you prior to these updates?
-- ----------JSA--------- "Ubuntu" is an African word meaning "Suse is too hard for me".
The default installation of KDE 4 had some flakiness in it. Actually, a lot. So I did some research and found that people who upgraded to KDE 4.0.84 reported lots of improvements. I figured what did I have to lose? Worst case scenario, I would just reinstall KDE 4. But as I said, lots of things are working now. Less silent mysterious application crashes. In fact Fire Fox 3 is the only one that did that, but it's crashing in Windows too, and rarely on both. 4.0.84, before continuous updates that I perform daily, was a big leap forward. With the updates, it's even better. It is the development version, so you should expect a quirk here and there and lots of updates, but at least the updates are moving it forward nicely. The one thing I do wish is the Suse Updater Applet would tell you when there are upgrades available it doesn't tell you. It does tell you when updates are available, but I would like it to tell me there are updates. But that's probably not a KDE issue. -- Michael S. Dunsavage -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Friday 04 July 2008 22:15:42 Michael S. Dunsavage wrote:
The one thing I do wish is the Suse Updater Applet would tell you when there are upgrades available it doesn't tell you. It does tell you when updates are available, but I would like it to tell me there are updates.
I'm not trying to be insulting here, but I honestly didn't understand one word of that What is it you want the updater applet to do? Anders -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
The one thing I do wish is the Suse Updater Applet would tell you when there are upgrades available it doesn't tell you. It does tell you when updates are available, but I would like it to tell me there are updates.
I'm not trying to be insulting here, but I honestly didn't understand one word of that
What is it you want the updater applet to do?
I think I know exactly what he meant although... what was typed... wasn't clear. The openSUSE updater does not notify of updates to KDE4 from the UNSTABLE repository even though it is a configured repository. I have that issue too... the updater lets me know about other updates, but the daily updates to KDE4 are never picked up for some reason. To get them I have to launch the YaST software installer and manually select the KDE4 updates.. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 05 July 2008 14:26:09 Clayton wrote:
The one thing I do wish is the Suse Updater Applet would tell you when there are upgrades available it doesn't tell you. It does tell you when updates are available, but I would like it to tell me there are updates.
I'm not trying to be insulting here, but I honestly didn't understand one word of that
What is it you want the updater applet to do?
I think I know exactly what he meant although... what was typed... wasn't clear. The openSUSE updater does not notify of updates to KDE4 from the UNSTABLE repository even though it is a configured repository.
Ah, ok. Yes, that is a frequently requested feature, and one of the developers hinted that -t package might become the default in libzypp. When that happens the updater applet will pick up on all updates Or you can get it right now, by switching to the PackageKit backend and enabling "show available upgrades when backend provides them" You'll have to configure PolicyKit for the install to work as a regular user though Anders -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Anders Johansson wrote:
On Saturday 05 July 2008 14:26:09 Clayton wrote:
I think I know exactly what he meant although... what was typed... wasn't clear. The openSUSE updater does not notify of updates to KDE4 from the UNSTABLE repository even though it is a configured repository.
Ah, ok. Yes, that is a frequently requested feature, and one of the developers hinted that -t package might become the default in libzypp. When that happens the updater applet will pick up on all updates
Or you can get it right now, by switching to the PackageKit backend and enabling "show available upgrades when backend provides them"
You'll have to configure PolicyKit for the install to work as a regular user though
Anders
Is there any how-to on doing this, I haven't touched anything in this area before but I definitely would agree it would be nice to know what updates are out there for your installed packages other than just security related stuff and the like.... Michael -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 05 July 2008 10:37:15 am Michael Letourneau wrote:
Is there any how-to on doing this, I haven't touched anything in this area before but I definitely would agree it would be nice to know what updates are out there for your installed packages other than just security related stuff and the like....
I didn't use updater for a while, but I would like to have clearly separated treatment of security and critical patches from general information that some software has new version available. Having all in one bag is not good idea. It could be as simple solution to output update repository as separate list, while everything else will go in another list. With ability to tell updater which list to use first, second or both, everybody would be happy. -- Regards, Rajko http://en.opensuse.org/Portal needs helpful hands. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sat, 2008-07-05 at 11:12 -0500, Rajko M. wrote:
On Saturday 05 July 2008 10:37:15 am Michael Letourneau wrote:
Is there any how-to on doing this, I haven't touched anything in this area before but I definitely would agree it would be nice to know what updates are out there for your installed packages other than just security related stuff and the like....
I didn't use updater for a while, but I would like to have clearly separated treatment of security and critical patches from general information that some software has new version available. Having all in one bag is not good idea.
It could be as simple solution to output update repository as separate list, while everything else will go in another list. With ability to tell updater which list to use first, second or both, everybody would be happy.
-- Regards, Rajko http://en.opensuse.org/Portal needs helpful hands.
Updater does this, if I'm understanding your comment properly...see attached snapshot. -- Michael S. Dunsavage
Basically you end up with a development stage KDE4, and a new OS version, both of which are usually something you want to avoid on machines you want to be stable.
Huh? Since when are you forced to use KDE4? KDE 3.5.9 is there in 11.0 too... and so is Gnome, and a bunch of other Window managers... pick the one that works.. some like Gnome, others like Enlightenment, others use KDE4... and even KDE 3.5.9
and the inevitable bugs in 11 (no show stoppers yet that I've heard of) will be fixed.
And then you'll have the inevitable bugs in 11.1 to deal with... what's your point?
Without a running KDE3 to compare it to, most users "say" it works, but then don't want to look foolish by coming back and posting things that don't work, AND since most users overwrite their KDE3 they have nothing to compare it to.
Hmmm well I posted 6 things that simply did not work in KDE4, and instead of people trying to help sort it out, everyone with a hate-on for KDE4 hijacked the thread, comparing it to Vista and making snide comments. They are so busy being 12 year olds about it that they miss the whole point. Who looked foolish? Me? Or the guys who stomped around throwing their daily KDE4 sucks tantrum? I do have a running KDE3 to compare it to. I do compare it all the time. I use both side by side. I have my main computer on KDE4, my second computer on KDE 3.5.9, and all my VMs are running KDE 3.5.9 or Gnome (I use several for my work/job etc). I still maintain that 11.0 is an excellent release - one of the best I've ever installed. Things work, and work very well. This myth about x.0 releases being broken is just that, a myth that everyone likes to parrot. KDE4 has it's faults... some are rather annoying (like you can't drag/drop files to from the desktop unless you use a file manager), but overall, once you update to 4.0.84 from the repositories, it does work well enough to be used every day. C -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 10:39 AM, Clayton <smaug42@gmail.com> wrote:
and the inevitable bugs in 11 (no show stoppers yet that I've heard of) will be fixed.
And then you'll have the inevitable bugs in 11.1 to deal with... what's your point?
Its been my experience that there are fewer bugs in later point releases than in any point Zero release. Thats my point. I thought that would have been obvious. 10.1 may have been the major exception. -- ----------JSA--------- "Ubuntu" is an African word meaning "Suse is too hard for me". -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Friday 04 July 2008 12:26, John Andersen wrote:
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Its been my experience that there are fewer bugs in later point releases than in any point Zero release.
Is there really a fundamental, qualitative difference between major and minor release number transitions?
... -- ----------JSA---------
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Randall R Schulz wrote:
On Friday 04 July 2008 12:26, John Andersen wrote:
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Its been my experience that there are fewer bugs in later point releases than in any point Zero release.
Is there really a fundamental, qualitative difference between major and minor release number transitions?
Not that I know of. I think the old .0 rule might be a bit of windoze wisdom, which doesn't really apply to us. For instance, as someone mentioned, suse 10.0 was a minor upgrade from 9.3, while 10.1 contained many changes and unpleasant surprises. Suse 9.0 was another minor update, it could have easily been called "8.3", while 9.1 was a major upgrade, being the first suse release to ship the new 2.6 kernel. I'm sure there are plenty of other examples available, with which to refute the common misconception concerning .0 releases. Joe -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, Jul 04, 2008 at 02:19:02PM -0700, Randall R Schulz wrote:
On Friday 04 July 2008 12:26, John Andersen wrote:
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Its been my experience that there are fewer bugs in later point releases than in any point Zero release.
Is there really a fundamental, qualitative difference between major and minor release number transitions?
Well, that .0 is usually more stable for SUSE, while .1 breaks stuff ;) Ciao, Marcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, 2008-07-04 at 23:25 +0200, Marcus Meissner wrote:
On Fri, Jul 04, 2008 at 02:19:02PM -0700, Randall R Schulz wrote:
On Friday 04 July 2008 12:26, John Andersen wrote:
...
Its been my experience that there are fewer bugs in later point releases than in any point Zero release.
Is there really a fundamental, qualitative difference between major and minor release number transitions?
Well, that .0 is usually more stable for SUSE, while .1 breaks stuff ;)
Ciao, Marcus
So why is SLED or NLD built on .1 stuff? ;) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sat, Jul 05, 2008 at 12:48:49AM -0400, Mike McMullin wrote:
On Fri, 2008-07-04 at 23:25 +0200, Marcus Meissner wrote:
On Fri, Jul 04, 2008 at 02:19:02PM -0700, Randall R Schulz wrote:
On Friday 04 July 2008 12:26, John Andersen wrote:
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Its been my experience that there are fewer bugs in later point releases than in any point Zero release.
Is there really a fundamental, qualitative difference between major and minor release number transitions?
Well, that .0 is usually more stable for SUSE, while .1 breaks stuff ;)
Ciao, Marcus
So why is SLED or NLD built on .1 stuff? ;)
Well "breakage" is wrong, its more like ".1 is a bit less stable due to lots of features added for SLES/SLED". So SLES are more the cause and less the symptom. Ciao, Marcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Friday 04 July 2008 12:39:18 pm Clayton wrote:
KDE4 has it's faults... some are rather annoying (like you can't drag/drop files to from the desktop unless you use a file manager), but overall, once you update to 4.0.84 from the repositories, it does work well enough to be used every day.
One interesting thing is Folder widget. You can create/open few folders for different tasks, set them as desktop folders and have them all in plasma (main desktop). Drag and drop works fine to and from Folder widgets. Additional benefit is that any accidental icon sort will not put all items on the same pile. That is what KDE4 in 11.0 will create if there is no .kde or .kde4 directories, otherwise it will attempt to respect your settings which may have funny results, strange icon placement and sizes. -- Regards, Rajko http://en.opensuse.org/Portal needs helpful hands. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
In the spirit of continuing threads I start... I finally found a reason to upgrade to suse 11.0. Having bought a wireless N access point I wanted to have high speed wireless on my laptop (cause constantly switching on and off my wired network causes a lot of nfs mount problems, and running on wireless G has latency and pause problems). Initially I attempted to get wireless N working on suse 10.3 but failed. I tried using kernel 2.6.25.10 and the latest firmware, but the interface wouldn't come active. So I offlined my user partitions and upgraded to suse 11 (on the theory that I could always go back :) The install process is easy, probably the best in business, though I had a hard time tracking down a net install for x86_64 cause the opensuse link is broken. Once i did the install I had two problems: -installed driver wouldn't work with my nvidia card (quadro fx 570m in a lenovp T61p) -wirless wouldnt work at all! (not really where you want to be when you upgraded for improved wireless :) The symptom is that I dont' see any wirelss networks in the list. iwllist shows none either. The fixes: -I downloaded the latest 64 bit driver from nvidia and installed it. -I upgraded the kernel to 2.6.25.10 After that video, wireless both work. It even suspends and resumes. It also seems to perform marginally better thant 10.3, but I've gone 64 bit and that could explain it. The last problem is that the screen saver won't let me log back in if it locks me out. It says the permissions on the password database are too restrictive? Not. I disabled it for the time being... wcn Wendell Nichols wrote:
I'm normally all over a new distro by now but I just got my T61p laptop working properly with Suse 10.3 (video drivers for nvidia that work with suspend resume were hard to find). I've trolled through the enhancements etc and just can't find any compelling reason to think that laptop support has improved in 11.0. Indeed there seem to be lots of people complaining about knetworkmanager, and no one raves about its bluetooth support. These are not the sort of things you can test in a VM... so what say you? What are the absolutely great things about 11.0? wcn -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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