Robert Fitzpatrick skrev:

On Tue, 2006-05-23 at 11:55 -0400, suse@rio.vg wrote:

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At this point, I'm looking at apt to keep my new systems updated. SuSE 10.1 has official packages for it. ZMD is dangerous, YOU seems to crash when I hit "Accept", and fou4s doesn't seem to work with 10.1, either.

Same here, crash when accepting YOU...how do I get updates? I'll be looking into that apt option.

Just out of curiousity, does it really crash, as in kernel panics, posts in the syslog? Or does it just seem to hang? The "almost hang" is common, it can come to screen that is the same for up to 30 (yes, thirty) minutes before it continues! Please open a second terminal window (under X it's simple), or on command line, press alt-f2, in that window, start the "top" program to watch process activity. Then start the update and watch the processes, it's common that there are a couple that consumes nearly 100% of your CPU time for a very long time.... Anders Norrbring Norrbring Consulting

suse@rio.vg skrev:

Anders Norrbring wrote:

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Robert Fitzpatrick skrev:

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On Tue, 2006-05-23 at 11:55 -0400, suse@rio.vg wrote:

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At this point, I'm looking at apt to keep my new systems updated. SuSE 10.1 has official packages for it. ZMD is dangerous, YOU seems to crash when I hit "Accept", and fou4s doesn't seem to work with 10.1, either. Same here, crash when accepting YOU...how do I get updates? I'll be looking into that apt option.

Just out of curiousity, does it really crash, as in kernel panics, posts in the syslog? Or does it just seem to hang?

The "almost hang" is common, it can come to screen that is the same for up to 30 (yes, thirty) minutes before it continues!

Please open a second terminal window (under X it's simple), or on command line, press alt-f2, in that window, start the "top" program to watch process activity. Then start the update and watch the processes, it's common that there are a couple that consumes nearly 100% of your CPU time for a very long time....

In this case, YOU simply quits when you hit "accept". No output at all, just quits. Nothing in syslog. (It takes it's merry time before that, just to get to the screen where it shows you the list of updatable packages.)

What does these two commands output? rug sl rug ca -- Anders Norrbring Norrbring Consulting

suse@rio.vg skrev:

Anders Norrbring wrote:

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suse@rio.vg skrev:

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In this case, YOU simply quits when you hit "accept". No output at all, just quits. Nothing in syslog. (It takes it's merry time before that, just to get to the screen where it shows you the list of updatable packages.)

What does these two commands output?

rug sl rug ca

# | Status | Type | Name | URI --+---------+------+--------------------------------------------+--------------- 1 | Pending | ZYPP | SUSE-Linux-10.1-Updates | http://suse... 2 | Pending | ZYPP | 20060519-130220 | http://pack... 3 | Pending | ZYPP | SUSE-Linux-10.1-FTP-10.1-0-20060521-100933 | ftp://mirro...

--- No catalogs available ---

However, I think I've figured out what the problem is. YOU is showing updates and putting check marks in the updates that I've already installed. For instance, the dhcp packages and Opera have a check mark in them, so going by what YOU would do in the past, you'd expect those to be updated, right? Wrong. They're already updated, even though there is no indication of this. YOU is also displaying updates to packages that I have not installed, but without check marks in them.

No catalogs available is suspicious.. You could try to use rug to update and refresh your sources, maybe that can help a bit.. It's worth a try anyway... If you don't have any success, I think you should file a bug report in the bugzilla. -- Anders Norrbring Norrbring Consulting

Andreas Jaeger wrote:

"Juan Pablo Romero" writes:

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I've been watching zen-updater lately, and found strange it didn't show any available updates. So I checked manually the updates mirror (http://mirror.mcs.anl.gov/suse/update/10.1/) and found that in fact, there are several updates available.

Now, I haven't changed the default configuration at all, so it must be a problem with zen-updater.

For now use as root "yast2 online_update". We're providing fixed packages asap,

That brings up an interesting question... if the updater doesn't work, how are you going to update the updater? Of course, those of us reading the list can manually download something, that's no problem, but the vast majority of people don't read this list...

Marcus Meissner wrote:

On Tue, May 23, 2006 at 12:07:05PM -0400, suse@rio.vg wrote:

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Andreas Jaeger wrote:

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"Juan Pablo Romero" writes:

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Hi

I've been watching zen-updater lately, and found strange it didn't show any available updates. So I checked manually the updates mirror (http://mirror.mcs.anl.gov/suse/update/10.1/) and found that in fact, there are several updates available.

Now, I haven't changed the default configuration at all, so it must be a problem with zen-updater. For now use as root "yast2 online_update". We're providing fixed packages asap,

That brings up an interesting question... if the updater doesn't work, how are you going to update the updater? Of course, those of us reading the list can manually download something, that's no problem, but the vast majority of people don't read this list...

Just read Andreas sentence you quoted in your reply.

And the average user not reading the list is going to know to run "yast2 online_update" manually how? Have you guys perfected esp/ip while I wasn't looking? :)

On Tue, 2006-05-23 at 16:07 -0400, suse@rio.vg wrote:

And the average user not reading the list is going to know to run "yast2 online_update" manually how? Have you guys perfected esp/ip while I wasn't looking? :)

esp/ip. I like that. Copyrighted? -- Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems AB Ramböll Sverige AB Kapellgränd 7 P.O. Box 4205 SE-102 65 Stockholm, Sweden Tel: Int +46 8-615 60 20 Fax: Int +46 8-31 42 23

On Wednesday 24 May 2006 15:58, suse@rio.vg wrote:

Roger Oberholtzer wrote:

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On Tue, 2006-05-23 at 16:07 -0400, suse@rio.vg wrote:

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And the average user not reading the list is going to know to run "yast2 online_update" manually how? Have you guys perfected esp/ip while I wasn't looking? :)

esp/ip. I like that. Copyrighted?

Nah, I can't claim credit for it. It's an old joke I read about years ago. I think it was one of those April Fool's Day RFCs...

What do you mean with "perfecting esp/ip"? What's the joke? (I assume esp = extended stack pointer, ip = instruction pointer, they're from ix86 assembler [x > 3]) Cheers, Leen

On Wednesday 24 May 2006 17:59, suse@rio.vg wrote:

Leendert Meyer wrote:

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On Wednesday 24 May 2006 15:58, suse@rio.vg wrote:

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Roger Oberholtzer wrote:

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On Tue, 2006-05-23 at 16:07 -0400, suse@rio.vg wrote:

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And the average user not reading the list is going to know to run "yast2 online_update" manually how? Have you guys perfected esp/ip while I wasn't looking? :)

esp/ip. I like that. Copyrighted?

Nah, I can't claim credit for it. It's an old joke I read about years ago. I think it was one of those April Fool's Day RFCs...

What do you mean with "perfecting esp/ip"? What's the joke? (I assume esp = extended stack pointer, ip = instruction pointer, they're from ix86 assembler [x > 3])

I'm not certain if this sarcasm or an issue with language and/or cultural norms, so I will assume the latter:

esp == Extra Sensory Perception ip == Internet Protocol

ESP is common shorthand in the states for various forms of psychic or otherwise supernatural mental prowess.

tcp/ip is transport control protocol over internet protocol. It's how most packets on the internet traverse. (udp/ip is the other common system, used when error correction is unneeded, like audio and video steaming)

esp/ip would be internet by supernatural mind power.

LOL! Man, that was deep... Reminds me of something they were talking about on kde-core a few years ago: focus follows mind... Thanks. Cheers, Leen

Jack Malone wrote:

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And the average user not reading the list is going to know to run "yast2 online_update" manually how? Have you guys perfected esp/ip while I wasn't looking? :)

Running yast2 online update does not work at. When you have things checked to update then hit the accept button online updates quits disappears totally. have done this several times with same thing happening each time. so updating suse 10.1 is broken.

I think I've figured that problem out. Take a closer look when you run online_update, look at each package that has a check mark, it's probably already up to date. YOU isn't behaving like it used to, it's displaying updates with checkmarks in packages that are already up to date. At least, that is how it is on my machine...

On Wednesday 24 May 2006 21:00, suse@rio.vg wrote:

Jack Malone wrote:

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And the average user not reading the list is going to know to run "yast2 online_update" manually how? Have you guys perfected esp/ip while I wasn't looking? :)

Running yast2 online update does not work at. When you have things checked to update then hit the accept button online updates quits disappears totally. have done this several times with same thing happening each time. so updating suse 10.1 is broken.

I think I've figured that problem out. Take a closer look when you run online_update, look at each package that has a check mark, it's probably already up to date. YOU isn't behaving like it used to, it's displaying updates with checkmarks in packages that are already up to date.

At least, that is how it is on my machine...

I think I've seen that here too. Anyway, AFAIR YOU worked for me after I manually added install sources.

On Wednesday 24 May 2006 12:57, ianseeks wrote:

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Just don't know why SuSE couldn't just adopt/adapt apt and build on that instead of reinventing the wheel.

Novell Politics, i doubt its SuSE's fault

Well, I was a very happy APT user, even before when YOU was working fine, APT was just more easy for me. But please be aware that APT has a successor - SMART which works even better. It's quite new though, so not completely perfect yet, but I like it already. You can get it from Suser - GURU at http://linux01.gwdg.de/~pbleser/rpm-navigation.php?cat=/System/smart