Hi I've been watching zen-updater lately, and found strange it didn't show any available updates. So I checked manually the updates mirror (http://mirror.mcs.anl.gov/suse/update/10.1/) and found that in fact, there are several updates available. Now, I haven't changed the default configuration at all, so it must be a problem with zen-updater. How could I configure it properly? Oh, by the way, does anybody knows where could I find documentation about rug, catalogs, service lists, bundles, etc etc? Thanks in advance Juan Pablo
Juan Pablo Romero wrote:
Hi
I've been watching zen-updater lately, and found strange it didn't show any available updates. So I checked manually the updates mirror (http://mirror.mcs.anl.gov/suse/update/10.1/) and found that in fact, there are several updates available.
Now, I haven't changed the default configuration at all, so it must be a problem with zen-updater.
How could I configure it properly?
Oh, by the way, does anybody knows where could I find documentation about rug, catalogs, service lists, bundles, etc etc?
I have come to the conclusion that ZenWorks is simply a broken product. Even when it detects updates, it is more likely to crash than actually update your system. Additionally, if you use other sources like packman, zen can behave very very badly. There was a packman update for pwlib that was incompatible with the installed version of openh323, so zen removed openh323. That's all fine and good, but openh323-devel was depending on openh323, zen didn't bother to check if anything depended on openh323 before deleting it. Fortunately, this case was trivial. However, when an updater doesn't bother checking dependencies, an rpm system can easily become completely unstable. At this point, I'm looking at apt to keep my new systems updated. SuSE 10.1 has official packages for it. ZMD is dangerous, YOU seems to crash when I hit "Accept", and fou4s doesn't seem to work with 10.1, either. A simply script in /etc/cron.daily to run apt every day seems to be the only way to go at this point.
On Tue, 2006-05-23 at 11:55 -0400, suse@rio.vg wrote:
At this point, I'm looking at apt to keep my new systems updated. SuSE 10.1 has official packages for it. ZMD is dangerous, YOU seems to crash when I hit "Accept", and fou4s doesn't seem to work with 10.1, either.
Same here, crash when accepting YOU...how do I get updates? I'll be looking into that apt option. -- Robert
Robert Fitzpatrick skrev:
On Tue, 2006-05-23 at 11:55 -0400, suse@rio.vg wrote:
At this point, I'm looking at apt to keep my new systems updated. SuSE 10.1 has official packages for it. ZMD is dangerous, YOU seems to crash when I hit "Accept", and fou4s doesn't seem to work with 10.1, either.
Same here, crash when accepting YOU...how do I get updates? I'll be looking into that apt option.
Just out of curiousity, does it really crash, as in kernel panics, posts in the syslog? Or does it just seem to hang? The "almost hang" is common, it can come to screen that is the same for up to 30 (yes, thirty) minutes before it continues! Please open a second terminal window (under X it's simple), or on command line, press alt-f2, in that window, start the "top" program to watch process activity. Then start the update and watch the processes, it's common that there are a couple that consumes nearly 100% of your CPU time for a very long time.... Anders Norrbring Norrbring Consulting
Anders Norrbring wrote:
Robert Fitzpatrick skrev:
On Tue, 2006-05-23 at 11:55 -0400, suse@rio.vg wrote:
At this point, I'm looking at apt to keep my new systems updated. SuSE 10.1 has official packages for it. ZMD is dangerous, YOU seems to crash when I hit "Accept", and fou4s doesn't seem to work with 10.1, either.
Same here, crash when accepting YOU...how do I get updates? I'll be looking into that apt option.
Just out of curiousity, does it really crash, as in kernel panics, posts in the syslog? Or does it just seem to hang?
The "almost hang" is common, it can come to screen that is the same for up to 30 (yes, thirty) minutes before it continues!
Please open a second terminal window (under X it's simple), or on command line, press alt-f2, in that window, start the "top" program to watch process activity. Then start the update and watch the processes, it's common that there are a couple that consumes nearly 100% of your CPU time for a very long time....
In this case, YOU simply quits when you hit "accept". No output at all, just quits. Nothing in syslog. (It takes it's merry time before that, just to get to the screen where it shows you the list of updatable packages.)
suse@rio.vg skrev:
Anders Norrbring wrote:
Robert Fitzpatrick skrev:
On Tue, 2006-05-23 at 11:55 -0400, suse@rio.vg wrote:
At this point, I'm looking at apt to keep my new systems updated. SuSE 10.1 has official packages for it. ZMD is dangerous, YOU seems to crash when I hit "Accept", and fou4s doesn't seem to work with 10.1, either. Same here, crash when accepting YOU...how do I get updates? I'll be looking into that apt option.
Just out of curiousity, does it really crash, as in kernel panics, posts in the syslog? Or does it just seem to hang?
The "almost hang" is common, it can come to screen that is the same for up to 30 (yes, thirty) minutes before it continues!
Please open a second terminal window (under X it's simple), or on command line, press alt-f2, in that window, start the "top" program to watch process activity. Then start the update and watch the processes, it's common that there are a couple that consumes nearly 100% of your CPU time for a very long time....
In this case, YOU simply quits when you hit "accept". No output at all, just quits. Nothing in syslog. (It takes it's merry time before that, just to get to the screen where it shows you the list of updatable packages.)
What does these two commands output? rug sl rug ca -- Anders Norrbring Norrbring Consulting
Anders Norrbring wrote:
suse@rio.vg skrev:
In this case, YOU simply quits when you hit "accept". No output at all, just quits. Nothing in syslog. (It takes it's merry time before that, just to get to the screen where it shows you the list of updatable packages.)
What does these two commands output?
rug sl rug ca
# | Status | Type | Name | URI --+---------+------+--------------------------------------------+--------------- 1 | Pending | ZYPP | SUSE-Linux-10.1-Updates | http://suse... 2 | Pending | ZYPP | 20060519-130220 | http://pack... 3 | Pending | ZYPP | SUSE-Linux-10.1-FTP-10.1-0-20060521-100933 | ftp://mirro... --- No catalogs available --- However, I think I've figured out what the problem is. YOU is showing updates and putting check marks in the updates that I've already installed. For instance, the dhcp packages and Opera have a check mark in them, so going by what YOU would do in the past, you'd expect those to be updated, right? Wrong. They're already updated, even though there is no indication of this. YOU is also displaying updates to packages that I have not installed, but without check marks in them.
suse@rio.vg skrev:
Anders Norrbring wrote:
suse@rio.vg skrev:
In this case, YOU simply quits when you hit "accept". No output at all, just quits. Nothing in syslog. (It takes it's merry time before that, just to get to the screen where it shows you the list of updatable packages.)
What does these two commands output?
rug sl rug ca
# | Status | Type | Name | URI --+---------+------+--------------------------------------------+--------------- 1 | Pending | ZYPP | SUSE-Linux-10.1-Updates | http://suse... 2 | Pending | ZYPP | 20060519-130220 | http://pack... 3 | Pending | ZYPP | SUSE-Linux-10.1-FTP-10.1-0-20060521-100933 | ftp://mirro...
--- No catalogs available ---
However, I think I've figured out what the problem is. YOU is showing updates and putting check marks in the updates that I've already installed. For instance, the dhcp packages and Opera have a check mark in them, so going by what YOU would do in the past, you'd expect those to be updated, right? Wrong. They're already updated, even though there is no indication of this. YOU is also displaying updates to packages that I have not installed, but without check marks in them.
No catalogs available is suspicious.. You could try to use rug to update and refresh your sources, maybe that can help a bit.. It's worth a try anyway... If you don't have any success, I think you should file a bug report in the bugzilla. -- Anders Norrbring Norrbring Consulting
"Juan Pablo Romero" <jpablo.romero@gmail.com> writes:
Hi
I've been watching zen-updater lately, and found strange it didn't show any available updates. So I checked manually the updates mirror (http://mirror.mcs.anl.gov/suse/update/10.1/) and found that in fact, there are several updates available.
Now, I haven't changed the default configuration at all, so it must be a problem with zen-updater.
For now use as root "yast2 online_update". We're providing fixed packages asap,
How could I configure it properly?
Oh, by the way, does anybody knows where could I find documentation about rug, catalogs, service lists, bundles, etc etc?
read on CD1 the file docu/en/applying_patches.pdf Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, aj@suse.de, http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
Andreas Jaeger wrote:
"Juan Pablo Romero" <jpablo.romero@gmail.com> writes:
Hi
I've been watching zen-updater lately, and found strange it didn't show any available updates. So I checked manually the updates mirror (http://mirror.mcs.anl.gov/suse/update/10.1/) and found that in fact, there are several updates available.
Now, I haven't changed the default configuration at all, so it must be a problem with zen-updater.
For now use as root "yast2 online_update". We're providing fixed packages asap,
That brings up an interesting question... if the updater doesn't work, how are you going to update the updater? Of course, those of us reading the list can manually download something, that's no problem, but the vast majority of people don't read this list...
On Tue, May 23, 2006 at 12:07:05PM -0400, suse@rio.vg wrote:
Andreas Jaeger wrote:
"Juan Pablo Romero" <jpablo.romero@gmail.com> writes:
Hi
I've been watching zen-updater lately, and found strange it didn't show any available updates. So I checked manually the updates mirror (http://mirror.mcs.anl.gov/suse/update/10.1/) and found that in fact, there are several updates available.
Now, I haven't changed the default configuration at all, so it must be a problem with zen-updater.
For now use as root "yast2 online_update". We're providing fixed packages asap,
That brings up an interesting question... if the updater doesn't work, how are you going to update the updater? Of course, those of us reading the list can manually download something, that's no problem, but the vast majority of people don't read this list...
Just read Andreas sentence you quoted in your reply. Ciao, Marcus
Marcus Meissner wrote:
On Tue, May 23, 2006 at 12:07:05PM -0400, suse@rio.vg wrote:
Andreas Jaeger wrote:
"Juan Pablo Romero" <jpablo.romero@gmail.com> writes:
Hi
I've been watching zen-updater lately, and found strange it didn't show any available updates. So I checked manually the updates mirror (http://mirror.mcs.anl.gov/suse/update/10.1/) and found that in fact, there are several updates available.
Now, I haven't changed the default configuration at all, so it must be a problem with zen-updater. For now use as root "yast2 online_update". We're providing fixed packages asap,
That brings up an interesting question... if the updater doesn't work, how are you going to update the updater? Of course, those of us reading the list can manually download something, that's no problem, but the vast majority of people don't read this list...
Just read Andreas sentence you quoted in your reply.
And the average user not reading the list is going to know to run "yast2 online_update" manually how? Have you guys perfected esp/ip while I wasn't looking? :)
On Tue, May 23, 2006 at 04:07:22PM -0400, suse@rio.vg wrote:
And the average user not reading the list is going to know to run "yast2 online_update" manually how? Have you guys perfected esp/ip while I wasn't looking? :)
Yes, but it consumes terrific amounts of BrainCPU when they first access you, then after not having the desired result it crashes your brain. Michael -- San Francisco, CA
On Tue, 2006-05-23 at 16:07 -0400, suse@rio.vg wrote:
And the average user not reading the list is going to know to run "yast2 online_update" manually how? Have you guys perfected esp/ip while I wasn't looking? :)
esp/ip. I like that. Copyrighted? -- Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems AB Ramböll Sverige AB Kapellgränd 7 P.O. Box 4205 SE-102 65 Stockholm, Sweden Tel: Int +46 8-615 60 20 Fax: Int +46 8-31 42 23
Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
On Tue, 2006-05-23 at 16:07 -0400, suse@rio.vg wrote:
And the average user not reading the list is going to know to run "yast2 online_update" manually how? Have you guys perfected esp/ip while I wasn't looking? :)
esp/ip. I like that. Copyrighted?
Nah, I can't claim credit for it. It's an old joke I read about years ago. I think it was one of those April Fool's Day RFCs...
On Wednesday 24 May 2006 15:58, suse@rio.vg wrote:
Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
On Tue, 2006-05-23 at 16:07 -0400, suse@rio.vg wrote:
And the average user not reading the list is going to know to run "yast2 online_update" manually how? Have you guys perfected esp/ip while I wasn't looking? :)
esp/ip. I like that. Copyrighted?
Nah, I can't claim credit for it. It's an old joke I read about years ago. I think it was one of those April Fool's Day RFCs...
What do you mean with "perfecting esp/ip"? What's the joke? (I assume esp = extended stack pointer, ip = instruction pointer, they're from ix86 assembler [x > 3]) Cheers, Leen
Leendert Meyer wrote:
On Wednesday 24 May 2006 15:58, suse@rio.vg wrote:
Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
On Tue, 2006-05-23 at 16:07 -0400, suse@rio.vg wrote:
And the average user not reading the list is going to know to run "yast2 online_update" manually how? Have you guys perfected esp/ip while I wasn't looking? :) esp/ip. I like that. Copyrighted? Nah, I can't claim credit for it. It's an old joke I read about years ago. I think it was one of those April Fool's Day RFCs...
What do you mean with "perfecting esp/ip"? What's the joke? (I assume esp = extended stack pointer, ip = instruction pointer, they're from ix86 assembler [x > 3])
I'm not certain if this sarcasm or an issue with language and/or cultural norms, so I will assume the latter: esp == Extra Sensory Perception ip == Internet Protocol ESP is common shorthand in the states for various forms of psychic or otherwise supernatural mental prowess. tcp/ip is transport control protocol over internet protocol. It's how most packets on the internet traverse. (udp/ip is the other common system, used when error correction is unneeded, like audio and video steaming) esp/ip would be internet by supernatural mind power.
On Wednesday 24 May 2006 17:59, suse@rio.vg wrote:
Leendert Meyer wrote:
On Wednesday 24 May 2006 15:58, suse@rio.vg wrote:
Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
On Tue, 2006-05-23 at 16:07 -0400, suse@rio.vg wrote:
And the average user not reading the list is going to know to run "yast2 online_update" manually how? Have you guys perfected esp/ip while I wasn't looking? :)
esp/ip. I like that. Copyrighted?
Nah, I can't claim credit for it. It's an old joke I read about years ago. I think it was one of those April Fool's Day RFCs...
What do you mean with "perfecting esp/ip"? What's the joke? (I assume esp = extended stack pointer, ip = instruction pointer, they're from ix86 assembler [x > 3])
I'm not certain if this sarcasm or an issue with language and/or cultural norms, so I will assume the latter:
esp == Extra Sensory Perception ip == Internet Protocol
ESP is common shorthand in the states for various forms of psychic or otherwise supernatural mental prowess.
tcp/ip is transport control protocol over internet protocol. It's how most packets on the internet traverse. (udp/ip is the other common system, used when error correction is unneeded, like audio and video steaming)
esp/ip would be internet by supernatural mind power.
LOL! Man, that was deep... Reminds me of something they were talking about on kde-core a few years ago: focus follows mind... Thanks. Cheers, Leen
And the average user not reading the list is going to know to run "yast2 online_update" manually how? Have you guys perfected esp/ip while I wasn't looking? :)
Running yast2 online update does not work at. When you have things checked to update then hit the accept button online updates quits disappears totally. have done this several times with same thing happening each time. so updating suse 10.1 is broken. jack
Jack Malone wrote:
And the average user not reading the list is going to know to run "yast2 online_update" manually how? Have you guys perfected esp/ip while I wasn't looking? :)
Running yast2 online update does not work at. When you have things checked to update then hit the accept button online updates quits disappears totally. have done this several times with same thing happening each time. so updating suse 10.1 is broken.
I think I've figured that problem out. Take a closer look when you run online_update, look at each package that has a check mark, it's probably already up to date. YOU isn't behaving like it used to, it's displaying updates with checkmarks in packages that are already up to date. At least, that is how it is on my machine...
Am Mittwoch, 24. Mai 2006 16:00 schrieb suse@rio.vg:
Jack Malone wrote:
And the average user not reading the list is going to know to run "yast2 online_update" manually how? Have you guys perfected esp/ip while I wasn't looking? :)
Running yast2 online update does not work at. When you have things checked to update then hit the accept button online updates quits disappears totally. have done this several times with same thing happening each time. so updating suse 10.1 is broken.
I think I've figured that problem out. Take a closer look when you run online_update, look at each package that has a check mark, it's probably already up to date. YOU isn't behaving like it used to, it's displaying updates with checkmarks in packages that are already up to date.
Run rpm --rebuilddb before trying YOU once more. It did the trick here. Guido
On Wednesday 24 May 2006 21:00, suse@rio.vg wrote:
Jack Malone wrote:
And the average user not reading the list is going to know to run "yast2 online_update" manually how? Have you guys perfected esp/ip while I wasn't looking? :)
Running yast2 online update does not work at. When you have things checked to update then hit the accept button online updates quits disappears totally. have done this several times with same thing happening each time. so updating suse 10.1 is broken.
I think I've figured that problem out. Take a closer look when you run online_update, look at each package that has a check mark, it's probably already up to date. YOU isn't behaving like it used to, it's displaying updates with checkmarks in packages that are already up to date.
At least, that is how it is on my machine...
I think I've seen that here too. Anyway, AFAIR YOU worked for me after I manually added install sources.
I have been following this thread with attention. Zen-updater did nor work for me either. I followed the suggestion posted earlier on this list (I unfortunately deleted the original message), which referred to updating a list of zen-related packages available on ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/people/aj/10.1-packagemanagement-update-test/10.1-i386 I have downloaded and installed said packages, minus the -devel and -debug ones, and zen-updater now seems to work like a charm. fx
On Tue, May 23, 2006 at 10:40:54AM -0500, Juan Pablo Romero wrote:
I've been watching zen-updater lately, and found strange it didn't show any available updates.
The really cool thing about the new zen/rug pile is that not only does it take a huge amount of time to run and suck up all the machine's resources, after all that it doesn't even work. What a fine addition to the OS. How does stuff like that get past the beta and alpha testers and into the box? Michael -- San Francisco, CA
On Tuesday 23 May 2006 17:44, Michael Nelson wrote:>
How does stuff like that get past the beta and alpha testers and into the box?
How did it get past the planners? Why hasn't a KDE front-end been produced for HIG reasons so it looks like a KDE app? It's been very badly planned and executed. I expect it'll turn out to be great app eventually but getting users to do the testing is a very good way to lose them. That sort of trick only works for Microsoft where they can mug people into paying for the privilege to test.
On Tuesday 23 May 2006 11:40, Juan Pablo Romero wrote:
Hi
I've been watching zen-updater lately, and found strange it didn't show any available updates. So I checked manually the updates mirror (http://mirror.mcs.anl.gov/suse/update/10.1/) and found that in fact, there are several updates available.
Now, I haven't changed the default configuration at all, so it must be a problem with zen-updater.
How could I configure it properly?
Oh, by the way, does anybody knows where could I find documentation about rug, catalogs, service lists, bundles, etc etc?
I smile, and am so happy that you all have the patience and the persistence to work these things out. Through your efforts perhaps this might turn out to be a "dynamite" app one day. For the benefit of all of us. I stopped being a "trailblazer" at 8.2 Still not sure I trust YOU completely, but it has improved tremendously over the past few years. In the meantime I will continue to use apt, which I trust implicitly, and have used for many years. Just don't know why SuSE couldn't just adopt/adapt apt and build on that instead of reinventing the wheel. Bob S.
On Wednesday 24 May 2006 12:57, ianseeks wrote:
Just don't know why SuSE couldn't just adopt/adapt apt and build on that instead of reinventing the wheel.
Novell Politics, i doubt its SuSE's fault
Well, I was a very happy APT user, even before when YOU was working fine, APT was just more easy for me. But please be aware that APT has a successor - SMART which works even better. It's quite new though, so not completely perfect yet, but I like it already. You can get it from Suser - GURU at http://linux01.gwdg.de/~pbleser/rpm-navigation.php?cat=/System/smart
Matt T. wrote:
On Wednesday 24 May 2006 12:57, ianseeks wrote:
Just don't know why SuSE couldn't just adopt/adapt apt and build on that instead of reinventing the wheel.
Novell Politics, i doubt its SuSE's fault
Well, I was a very happy APT user, even before when YOU was working fine, APT was just more easy for me.
But please be aware that APT has a successor - SMART which works even better. It's quite new though, so not completely perfect yet, but I like it already.
You can get it from Suser - GURU at http://linux01.gwdg.de/~pbleser/rpm-navigation.php?cat=/System/smart
Is SMART really APT's successor, or are they just two clients using the same server? I've never been a major APT user, I tried it once long ago, thought it was nifty, but never got into it, as it wasn't necessary. With Zen being, shall we say, less than ideal, and breaking fou4s, I've found apt-get the only thing that offers a similar level of functionality to fou4s. SMART and YUM are great for desktops, but I cannot have a cron job updating packages on production servers. The old fou4s and now apt-get allow me to have the cron job download the new packages and await my approval for actual install. SMART, rather ironically, doesn't appear to be as smart as APT...
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