[opensuse] Timescale for Maintenance Updates
Hi there. When setting up a new server in november last year I found opensuse 12.1 has some problems running as a xen server. I found a bug report that matched my problem: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=727081 I switched to kvm for virtualisation on that system - no real problem so far. The bug was fixed at december 2nd including a private update repository: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/olh:/bug727081/openSUSE_12.1 For the server I set up in november everything would have been ok at this point. But as I have some production servers to support, that must be updated to 12.1 too, I have to wait for an 'official' update package - distributed via the official update repository. No problem - the bug has a fix, it needs some testing and then it can go main line. That I thought. 10 _weeks_ later the bug has been moved from a private repository to a maintenance repository: https://build.opensuse.org/project/show?project=openSUSE%3AMaintenance%3A280 Does anybody know how long it usually takes for a patch from having a maintenance repository to actual distribution? Additional question: wouldn't it be a good idea to add some extra states to bugzilla for "bug is in internal testing", "bug got maintenance repository" (whatever that actually means), "bug is distributed". For an external user, who is not involved in the development process of opensuse it is kind of confusing up to frustrating to see a bug "closed fixed" and to not get an official update for it. For users who don't found the bug in bugzilla the bug is still open. As this bug is a showstopper, Xen simply does not work in 12.1 for them. Regards Ralf Müller -- Brückner & Jarosch GmbH office phone: +49=361-2124015 Nonnengasse 5a, Erfurt 99084 e-mail: ralf@bj-ig.de -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 10:46:37 +0100, Ralf Müller <ralf@bj-ig.de> wrote:
http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/olh:/bug727081/openSUSE_12.1
That is a private repository under home. For such a fix to become official, the owner of that repo has to a) make a submit request to the update repo of a distribution (in this case openSUSE:12.1:Update:Test) and a) set the bugzilla entry relating to the bug to NEEDINFO maintenance@opensuse.org. After that it may need pinging maintenance to raise awareness.
Additional question: wouldn't it be a good idea to add some extra states to bugzilla for "bug is in internal testing", "bug got maintenance repository" (whatever that actually means), "bug is distributed".
Use openFATE to open a feature request for this.
opensuse it is kind of confusing up to frustrating to see a bug "closed fixed" and to not get an official update for it.
Closed fixed does not neccessarily mean fixed for that distribution! It may mean 'fixed for next release'. You have to read the bug comments to make shure. BTW, wouldn't it be easier for you to use the german ml at opensuse-de@opensuse.org for your questions? Philipp -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Ok - I have been away for a while. So sorry for the late answer. Am 24.02.2012 um 00:19 schrieb Philipp Thomas:
On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 10:46:37 +0100, Ralf Müller <ralf@bj-ig.de> wrote:
http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/olh:/bug727081/openSUSE_12.1
That is a private repository under home.
I know that - actually I wrote that in my mail.
For such a fix to become official, the owner of that repo has to a) make a submit request to the update repo of a distribution (in this case openSUSE:12.1:Update:Test) and a) set the bugzilla entry relating to the bug to NEEDINFO maintenance@opensuse.org. After that it may need pinging maintenance to raise awareness.
Can you see if the maintainer did this, as his repository now is located here: https://build.opensuse.org/project/show?project=openSUSE%3AMaintenance%3A280 And what does the "locked" state in the "monitor" page mean?
opensuse it is kind of confusing up to frustrating to see a bug "closed fixed" and to not get an official update for it.
Closed fixed does not neccessarily mean fixed for that distribution!
Thats what I mean when I say confusing or at least frustrating. I know this attitude from other bugs that affected me, but to be honest I don't understand it. As far as I can see bugzilla.novell.com is part of the opensuse project. It is meant to be used by opensuse users to report bugs. When someone reported a bug and reads "fixed", the one tends to assume that this bug is fixed in the opensuse distribution context. Not in the context of the developer who fixed the problem, not in an upstream package context, not even in the context of a possibly upcoming release. From an external user point of view the bug is fixed when an update is available.
BTW, wouldn't it be easier for you to use the german ml at opensuse-de@opensuse.org for your questions?
I'm not even subscribed to the german list. Ralf -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Thu, Mar 01, 2012 at 06:17:20PM +0100, Ralf Müller wrote:
Ok - I have been away for a while. So sorry for the late answer.
Am 24.02.2012 um 00:19 schrieb Philipp Thomas:
On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 10:46:37 +0100, Ralf Müller <ralf@bj-ig.de> wrote:
http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/olh:/bug727081/openSUSE_12.1
That is a private repository under home.
I know that - actually I wrote that in my mail.
For such a fix to become official, the owner of that repo has to a) make a submit request to the update repo of a distribution (in this case openSUSE:12.1:Update:Test) and a) set the bugzilla entry relating to the bug to NEEDINFO maintenance@opensuse.org. After that it may need pinging maintenance to raise awareness.
Can you see if the maintainer did this, as his repository now is located here: https://build.opensuse.org/project/show?project=openSUSE%3AMaintenance%3A280
And what does the "locked" state in the "monitor" page mean?
"Locked" means that a release request is pending ... We usually wait for 7 days to have the 12.1-test update channel susbcribers chance to test the update. If this has passed, it will get released. If you have questions, feel free to ask (maintenance@opensuse.org) Ciao, Marcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 03/01/2012 06:29 PM, Marcus Meissner wrote:
On Thu, Mar 01, 2012 at 06:17:20PM +0100, Ralf Müller wrote:
Ok - I have been away for a while. So sorry for the late answer.
Am 24.02.2012 um 00:19 schrieb Philipp Thomas:
On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 10:46:37 +0100, Ralf Müller<ralf@bj-ig.de> wrote:
http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/olh:/bug727081/openSUSE_12.1
That is a private repository under home.
I know that - actually I wrote that in my mail.
For such a fix to become official, the owner of that repo has to a) make a submit request to the update repo of a distribution (in this case openSUSE:12.1:Update:Test) and a) set the bugzilla entry relating to the bug to NEEDINFO maintenance@opensuse.org. After that it may need pinging maintenance to raise awareness.
Can you see if the maintainer did this, as his repository now is located here: https://build.opensuse.org/project/show?project=openSUSE%3AMaintenance%3A280
And what does the "locked" state in the "monitor" page mean?
"Locked" means that a release request is pending ...
We usually wait for 7 days to have the 12.1-test update channel susbcribers chance to test the update.
We have again a 12.1 test update channel? That's good news, please tell the world about it. It wasn't there when 12.1 was released... Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger aj@{suse.com,opensuse.org} Twitter/Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GF: Jeff Hawn,Jennifer Guild,Felix Imendörffer,HRB16746 (AG Nürnberg) GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Thu, Mar 01, 2012 at 07:48:36PM +0100, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
"Locked" means that a release request is pending ...
We usually wait for 7 days to have the 12.1-test update channel susbcribers chance to test the update.
We have again a 12.1 test update channel? That's good news, please tell the world about it. It wasn't there when 12.1 was released...
Hmm. Actually it is still a bit broken due to the ongoing openSUSE:Maintenance development. Missing all x86_64 packages. :/ Ciao, Marcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 03/01/2012 09:49 PM, Marcus Meissner wrote:
On Thu, Mar 01, 2012 at 07:48:36PM +0100, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
"Locked" means that a release request is pending ...
We usually wait for 7 days to have the 12.1-test update channel susbcribers chance to test the update.
We have again a 12.1 test update channel? That's good news, please tell the world about it. It wasn't there when 12.1 was released...
Hmm. Actually it is still a bit broken due to the ongoing openSUSE:Maintenance development. Missing all x86_64 packages. :/
Let's fix and then announce it ;) Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger aj@{suse.com,opensuse.org} Twitter/Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GF: Jeff Hawn,Jennifer Guild,Felix Imendörffer,HRB16746 (AG Nürnberg) GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Am 01.03.2012 um 18:29 schrieb Marcus Meissner:
Can you see if the maintainer did this, as his repository now is located here: https://build.opensuse.org/project/show?project=openSUSE%3AMaintenance%3A280
And what does the "locked" state in the "monitor" page mean?
"Locked" means that a release request is pending ...
We usually wait for 7 days to have the 12.1-test update channel susbcribers chance to test the update.
If this has passed, it will get released.
Thats good to know - is there a Wiki-page describing that procedure? Such a page would be good for users to get a feeling about the procedures behind the scene. It would make all that a bit more transparent. As for the "locked" state - it is not described in the 'Legend' available on the 'Monitor' page. Adding the description above would be a good idea I think. Am 02.03.2012 um 04:03 schrieb Philipp Thomas:
https://build.opensuse.org/project/show?project=openSUSE%3AMaintenance%3A280
If its in openSUSE:Maintenance its on its way.
Thanks a lot for your answers. Regards Ralf -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Fri, Mar 02, 2012 at 11:28:35AM +0100, Ralf Müller wrote:
Am 01.03.2012 um 18:29 schrieb Marcus Meissner:
Can you see if the maintainer did this, as his repository now is located here: https://build.opensuse.org/project/show?project=openSUSE%3AMaintenance%3A280
And what does the "locked" state in the "monitor" page mean?
"Locked" means that a release request is pending ...
We usually wait for 7 days to have the 12.1-test update channel susbcribers chance to test the update.
If this has passed, it will get released.
Thats good to know - is there a Wiki-page describing that procedure? Such a page would be good for users to get a feeling about the procedures behind the scene. It would make all that a bit more transparent.
As for the "locked" state - it is not described in the 'Legend' available on the 'Monitor' page. Adding the description above would be a good idea I think.
As we will implement and roll out the final OBS maintenance changes that is on our list. Ciao, Marcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Thu, 1 Mar 2012 18:17:20 +0100, Ralf Müller <ralf@bj-ig.de> wrote:
https://build.opensuse.org/project/show?project=openSUSE%3AMaintenance%3A280
If its in openSUSE:Maintenance its on its way.
And what does the "locked" state in the "monitor" page mean?
I have no idea as I see it for the first time. Maybe time to open a bug for OBS to add a description of locked is in order?
As far as I can see bugzilla.novell.com is part of the opensuse project. It is meant to be used by opensuse users to report bugs.
bugzilla.novell.com is far more than that, it's the central bug reporting facility for all the business units that formed Novell.
the one tends to assume that this bug is fixed in the opensuse distribution context. Not in the context of the developer who fixed the problem, not in an upstream package context, not even in the context of a possibly upcoming release. From an external user point of view the bug is fixed when an update is available.
Use openFATE to voice your opinions.
I'm not even subscribed to the german list.
Just a suggestion. Philipp -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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