UK and Russian governments adopting Linux
Governments continue move to open source UK and Russian governments adopting Linux The United Kingdom and Russia this week become the latest governments to embrace Linux and open standards, joining more than 20 U.S. states and 175 governments around the world. In two separate deals illustrating the unprecedented adoption of Linux by governments, IBM has announced that it is working with the UK and Russia on Linux projects that will further establish Linux in the public sector. First, the Office of Government Commerce (OGC) in the United Kingdom � formerly a Windows advocate for years � has announced that federal, state and local government agencies can make the move to Linux. The OGC said agencies can adopt an open computing model in order to cut costs and increase efficiencies instead of being locked into a single, proprietary "monoculture" environment. IBM working with UK government on Linux projects IBM is working closely with the UK government on nine projects to help develop innovative IT solutions that include key IBM hardware, software and services solutions running on Linux. In a separate announcement IBM said it is working with the Russian government to establish a Linux Competency Center in Moscow. The new center � sponsored by IBM, the Russian government and Russian universities � will provide a hands-on environment to drive application and solution development, offer support, consulting, education and provide Linux product and solution certification. IBM resources available in the Moscow Linux Center of Competency will include a variety of IBM TotalStorage products running Linux; including eServer xSeries systems, high-powered Linux clusters, as well as IBM software including WebSphere, DB2, Lotus, Tivoli and Rational offerings that deliver integration, database, collaboration and security capabilities. IBM will also assign skilled Linux specialists to the center, as well as, link the Moscow center with Linux Competency Centers around the world. Latest in a long line of government decisions The moves by the UK and Russian governments are the latest in a long line of decisions by agencies around the world that are looking to Linux, open standards to help cut costs and increase reliability across diverse IT environments. Just recently, Massachusetts announced it would lead with open source and open standards based software in procurement decisions. Other states are incorporating Linux into their infrastructure in a variety of ways. In June the German Federal Ministry of the Interior announced that it is turning to IBM to facilitate the country's standardization on Linux. The German government has signed a contract with IBM to move its federal, state, and local agencies to Linux. Under the strategic agreement, IBM will help the government develop innovative IT solutions, including key IBM hardware, software and services solutions. Worldwide, more than 175 governments worldwide are now engaged in Linux projects because it offers advantages over proprietary software, including, reduced cost of infrastructure, improved control over applications and data and improved security and access. -- 08 October, 2003 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com
Off topic. Daft, too:
First, the Office of Government Commerce (OGC) in the United Kingdom . . . has announced that federal, state and local government agencies can make the move to Linux.
I wonder what nation it was talking about. Britain doesn't have states, let alone state government agencies. I was going to look for the page about this ML, the one that points out that postings such as this are OT (as well as nonsensical), but a gentleman (or not) at the top of http://www.suse.com/us/index.html stuck his tongue out at me. My sentiment exactly.
On Wed, Oct 08, 2003 at 05:54:37PM -0700, Stuart Barbee wrote:
Governments continue move to open source
UK and Russian governments adopting Linux
The United Kingdom and Russia this week become the latest governments to embrace Linux and open standards, joining more than 20 U.S. states and 175 governments around the world.
Hey Stuart, How about posting the URl to the original article or at least telling us where you heard/saw this posting? -- Jeff Kinz, Open-PC, Emergent Research, Hudson, MA. jkinz@kinz.org copyright 2003. Use is restricted. Any use is an acceptance of the offer at http://www.kinz.org/policy.html. Don't forget to change your password often.
Jeff,
Normally I would include the url but this was on a
company intranet site so it wouldn't do any good.
Guess which one?
Big Blue!
Stuart
--- Jeff Kinz
On Wed, Oct 08, 2003 at 05:54:37PM -0700, Stuart Barbee wrote:
Governments continue move to open source
UK and Russian governments adopting Linux
The United Kingdom and Russia this week become the latest governments to embrace Linux and open standards, joining more than 20 U.S. states and 175 governments around the world.
Hey Stuart, How about posting the URl to the original article or at least telling us where you heard/saw this posting?
-- Jeff Kinz, Open-PC, Emergent Research, Hudson, MA. jkinz@kinz.org copyright 2003. Use is restricted. Any use is an acceptance of the offer at http://www.kinz.org/policy.html. Don't forget to change your password often.
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Well, I would understand UK government is adopting Linux but Russian ?!! You can buy in Russia full blown Win XP or Win Server 2003 CDs for less then a buck. The same thing with M$ Office 2K/XP. These are all pirated copies but who cares? I remember when in one of the former USSR's Central Asian republic the whole Department of Energy was using a single pirated version of M$ Office 97 for all their documentation stuff, alongside with a single pirated version of Win NT on all their 200+ computers. The same approach was taken in other government departments and services. The same things they did in universities, schools and private firms. There was no urgent need to switch to Linux on order to cut license costs. Just my $0.02 Alex On Wednesday 08 October 2003 05:54 pm, you wrote:
Governments continue move to open source
UK and Russian governments adopting Linux
The United Kingdom and Russia this week become the latest governments to embrace Linux and open standards, joining more than 20 U.S. states and 175 governments around the world.
In two separate deals illustrating the unprecedented adoption of Linux by governments, IBM has announced that it is working with the UK and Russia on Linux projects that will further establish Linux in the public sector.
First, the Office of Government Commerce (OGC) in the United Kingdom formerly a Windows advocate for years has announced that federal, state and local government agencies can make the move to Linux. The OGC said agencies can adopt an open computing model in order to cut costs and increase efficiencies instead of being locked into a single, proprietary "monoculture" environment.
IBM working with UK government on Linux projects IBM is working closely with the UK government on nine projects to help develop innovative IT solutions that include key IBM hardware, software and services solutions running on Linux.
In a separate announcement IBM said it is working with the Russian government to establish a Linux Competency Center in Moscow. The new center sponsored by IBM, the Russian government and Russian universities will provide a hands-on environment to drive application and solution development, offer support, consulting, education and provide Linux product and solution certification.
IBM resources available in the Moscow Linux Center of Competency will include a variety of IBM TotalStorage products running Linux; including eServer xSeries systems, high-powered Linux clusters, as well as IBM software including WebSphere, DB2, Lotus, Tivoli and Rational offerings that deliver integration, database, collaboration and security capabilities. IBM will also assign skilled Linux specialists to the center, as well as, link the Moscow center with Linux Competency Centers around the world.
Latest in a long line of government decisions The moves by the UK and Russian governments are the latest in a long line of decisions by agencies around the world that are looking to Linux, open standards to help cut costs and increase reliability across diverse IT environments.
Just recently, Massachusetts announced it would lead with open source and open standards based software in procurement decisions. Other states are incorporating Linux into their infrastructure in a variety of ways. In June the German Federal Ministry of the Interior announced that it is turning to IBM to facilitate the country's standardization on Linux. The German government has signed a contract with IBM to move its federal, state, and local agencies to Linux. Under the strategic agreement, IBM will help the government develop innovative IT solutions, including key IBM hardware, software and services solutions.
Worldwide, more than 175 governments worldwide are now engaged in Linux projects because it offers advantages over proprietary software, including, reduced cost of infrastructure, improved control over applications and data and improved security and access.
-- 08 October, 2003
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Alex Daniloff wrote:
Well, I would understand UK government is adopting Linux but Russian ?!! You can buy in Russia full blown Win XP or Win Server 2003 CDs for less then a buck. The same thing with M$ Office 2K/XP. These are all pirated copies but who cares? I remember when in one of the former USSR's Central Asian republic the whole Department of Energy was using a single pirated version of M$ Office 97 for all their documentation stuff, alongside with a single pirated version of Win NT on all their 200+ computers. The same approach was taken in other government departments and services. The same things they did in universities, schools and private firms. There was no urgent need to switch to Linux on order to cut license costs.
Just my $0.02
You are wrong in some aspects. For instance, we licensed all M$ products. But goverment... I know that Russia uses pirated DOS in sattelite management systems :-)
On Wednesday 08 October 2003 10:44 pm, Dmitry Melekhov wrote:
You are wrong in some aspects. For instance, we licensed all M$ products.
Good for you, welcome to civilized world! Then I should ask you. Why your Russian company didn't switch to Linux at once? Is license ransom for BG least expensive in Russia than in US?
But goverment... I know that Russia uses pirated DOS in sattelite management systems :-)
Poor Russian government. I imagine what kind of hardware they use in the satellite control systems if it still runs on DOS...
Alle 14:49, giovedì 9 ottobre 2003, Alex Daniloff ha scritto:
On Wednesday 08 October 2003 10:44 pm, Dmitry Melekhov wrote:
You are wrong in some aspects. For instance, we licensed all M$ products.
Good for you, welcome to civilized world! Then I should ask you. Why your Russian company didn't switch to Linux at once? Is license ransom for BG least expensive in Russia than in US?
But goverment... I know that Russia uses pirated DOS in sattelite management systems :-)
Poor Russian government. I imagine what kind of hardware they use in the satellite control systems if it still runs on DOS...
Some months ago, I read on Slashdot that NASA was buying old 8086 processor to use them on the Shuttle. Why update to modern systems if the old ones are good enough? :) Praise
The 03.10.10 at 11:29, praisetazio wrote:
Poor Russian government. I imagine what kind of hardware they use in the satellite control systems if it still runs on DOS...
Some months ago, I read on Slashdot that NASA was buying old 8086 processor to use them on the Shuttle. Why update to modern systems if the old ones are good enough? :)
That's a common decission in certain environments, like industrial control. Why use a full PC, industry grade (ie, harsh environment), when a simple, small, CPU will do the task more than nicely? It is far easier and cheaper. -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson
On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:48:11 +0200 (CEST), "Carlos E. R."
The 03.10.10 at 11:29, praisetazio wrote:
Poor Russian government. I imagine what kind of hardware they use in the satellite control systems if it still runs on DOS...
Some months ago, I read on Slashdot that NASA was buying old 8086 processor to use them on the Shuttle. Why update to modern systems if the old ones are good enough? :)
The Shuttle was designed in the 1970's, at roughly the same time Intel was designing the 8080 and 8086 chips. However, I believe that the Shuttle fleet's electronics have been upgraded. That doesn't mean they aren't chock full of 8086 and even older chips in what are essentially embedded applications.
The Shuttle was designed in the 1970's, at roughly the same time Intel was designing the 8080 and 8086 chips. However, I believe that the Shuttle fleet's electronics have been upgraded. That doesn't mean
The problems with all these elder CPUs and chips are. 1. Most of them are out of production for decades, thus no replacements available. 2. Reliability of a chip is decreasing exponentially with the time, due to electromigration, diffusion and other internal processes. 3. Electronic chips are constantly aging, no matter if they used on unused. Just my $0.02 Alex ------------------- they
aren't chock full of 8086 and even older chips in what are essentially embedded applications.
On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 14:19:36 -0700, "Alex Daniloff"
The problems with all these elder CPUs and chips are.
1. Most of them are out of production for decades, thus no replacements available. 2. Reliability of a chip is decreasing exponentially with the time, due to electromigration, diffusion and other internal processes. 3. Electronic chips are constantly aging, no matter if they used on unused.
I think you'll find that contemporary versions of the 8086 and Z80 chips are still in production and use, as are a number of other chip families from the 1970's. No one is putting 30-year old chips in the Shuttle. Besides, using something like a Pentium-4 or an Athlon XP in many places onboard the Shuttle would be overkill and a gross waste of money.
The 03.10.10 at 20:12, wg wrote:
Besides, using something like a Pentium-4 or an Athlon XP in many places onboard the Shuttle would be overkill and a gross waste of money.
And power, meaning energy, nor simply computing power. But I'm afraid that we are getting too off-topic, guys -- let's see... I heard there was a group (technical) trying to push linux inside space missions. I don't know the current state of that. O:-) On second thoughts, even that could be OT (advocacy?) -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson
On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 20:12:31 -0400
"wg"
Besides, using something like a Pentium-4 or an Athlon XP in many places onboard the Shuttle would be overkill and a gross waste of money.
Somehow, "Shuttle" and "gross waste of money" seem to belong together..... Terence
Alex Daniloff wrote:
On Wednesday 08 October 2003 10:44 pm, Dmitry Melekhov wrote:
You are wrong in some aspects. For instance, we licensed all M$ products.
Good for you, welcome to civilized world!
For me? :-) I run Linux on my desktop.
Then I should ask you. Why your Russian company didn't switch to Linux at once?
Answer is too easy. There are no Linux apps for desktop. And most of financial, etc. apps are MS SQL based. So after our R/3 project failed I installed Win2000 servers instead of SLES...
Is license ransom for BG least expensive in Russia than in US?
I don't know, sorry.
But goverment... I know that Russia uses pirated DOS in sattelite management systems :-)
Poor Russian government. I imagine what kind of hardware they use in the satellite control systems if it still runs on DOS...
:-))) First on-ground hardware, which worked at time of first satellite is still working and not simply working, but working in production.
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