The #1 thing that irritates most US users about StarOffice and OpenOffice, is the insistence of the A4 paper as "standard!!!" I've looked "high and low" and can't find a way to make US Letter the DEFAULT paper size! Does anyone know of a way to do this, or are both packages just plain brain dead in this regard? Thanks, Fred -- Fred A. Miller Systems Administrator Cornell Univ. Press Services fm@cupserv.org, www.cupserv.org --- SuSE Linux v7.3 Pro---
Hi Right-click on document, select "page", then select page-tap, and select desired paper-size. Can You tell me how to get A4 to stay default, because I really couldn't care less of using some non-standard US-format... Jaska. Viestissä Keskiviikko 10. Huhtikuuta 2002 21:49, Fred A. Miller kirjoitti:
The #1 thing that irritates most US users about StarOffice and OpenOffice, is the insistence of the A4 paper as "standard!!!" I've looked "high and low" and can't find a way to make US Letter the DEFAULT paper size! Does anyone know of a way to do this, or are both packages just plain brain dead in this regard?
Thanks,
Fred
On Wed, Apr 10, 2002 at 09:46:37PM +0300, jaakko tamminen wrote:
Hi
Right-click on document, select "page", then select page-tap, and select desired paper-size.
Well that doesn't work -- it just sets the paper size for the one document. What we (US people) want is a way to make US Letter the default instead of A4.
Can You tell me how to get A4 to stay default, because I really couldn't care less of using some non-standard US-format...
On my system A4 staysm the default no matter what I try to do to change it. Can it be that European users have the *opposite* problem -- US Letter is the unchangeable default? -- Robert C. Paulsen, Jr. robert@paulsenonline.net old -> paulsen@texas.net
Fred A. Miller wrote:
The #1 thing that irritates most US users about StarOffice and OpenOffice, is the insistence of the A4 paper as "standard!!!" I've looked "high and low" and can't find a way to make US Letter the DEFAULT paper size! Does anyone know of a way to do this, or are both packages just plain brain dead in this regard?
Actually most of us over in Europe have the reverse problem having to deal with US software that defaults to Letter. Payback time. :-P In OpenOffice's case (and I'm on 641 btw), it looks like the default should be set in File->Printer Settings... - but it doesn't appear to save changes, so you can change them directly in (path applies to my system) $HOME/OpenOffice641/share/psprint/psprint.conf -- Rachel
On Wed, 2002-04-10 at 12:49, Fred A. Miller wrote:
The #1 thing that irritates most US users about StarOffice and OpenOffice, is the insistence of the A4 paper as "standard!!!" I've looked "high and low" and can't find a way to make US Letter the DEFAULT paper size! Does anyone know of a way to do this, or are both packages just plain brain dead in this regard?
Thanks,
Fred
-- Fred A. Miller
Getting the "correct" paper size to stick was a royal pain, but I have found 2 solutions. 1. go to your directory where Openoffice/Staroffice lives then go to ~/share/psprint using your favourite editor open the file psprint.conf. Scroll down and find the default paper size shown as PPD_PageSize=A4 and change that to PPD_PageSize=Letter or whatever. 2. If you want OO/SO to always start a text or spreadsheet file with your preferred font, paper size, margins, number formats, etc then you should also create a personalized default. a. Open a blank page and change to the formatting that you want as your default. b. Save in home/openoffice/user/template as an Openoffice template such as my_default_text.stw or my default_calc.stc c. Close Openoffice. d. Reopen Openoffice as text to change your text default or as a calc to change your calc default. e. Go to file -> templates -> organize and find your template, you may need to "update". f. Find your template, right click, and choose set as default. g. Close openoffice again. h. The next time you open openoffice it will use your template as the opening file. i. Do this for text, calc and/or presentation. Openoffice / Staroffice are interchangeable in the above. The above instructions look a bit complicated but the process is really not that difficult and really worth it. -- Ralph Sanford - If your government does not trust you, rsanford@telusplanet.net - should you trust your government? DH/DSS Key - 0x7A1BEA01
On Wed, 2002-04-10 at 12:49, Fred A. Miller wrote:
The #1 thing that irritates most US users about StarOffice and OpenOffice, is the insistence of the A4 paper as "standard!!!"
Cat's curiosity, if you don't mind: what version of StarOffice are you talking about? I've been using SO-5.2 for about 1-1/2 years now, I've installed it (SuSE-7.1, 7.2 and now 7.3) and reinstalled it many times (the latest one, just last night), and I never encountered that problem! It always installs with paper as U.S. letter. BTW, I'm not in any form or manner associated with Sun and I'm not "defending" SO, only questioning purely on account of my surprise. gr (in /usually/ sunny, balmy Florida Gulf coast)
On Sat, 2002-04-13 at 19:13, gilson redrick wrote:
On Wed, 2002-04-10 at 12:49, Fred A. Miller wrote:
The #1 thing that irritates most US users about StarOffice and OpenOffice, is the insistence of the A4 paper as "standard!!!"
Cat's curiosity, if you don't mind: what version of StarOffice are you talking about?
I've been using SO-5.2 for about 1-1/2 years now, I've installed it (SuSE-7.1, 7.2 and now 7.3) and reinstalled it many times (the latest one, just last night), and I never encountered that problem! It always installs with paper as U.S. letter.
BTW, I'm not in any form or manner associated with Sun and I'm not "defending" SO, only questioning purely on account of my surprise.
gr (in /usually/ sunny, balmy Florida Gulf coast)
Likewise I have not had the paper size problem with StarOffice 5.2, however the StarOffice6 beta and the various OpenOffice releases have defaulted to A4 paper size. -- Ralph Sanford - If your government does not trust you, rsanford@telusplanet.net - should you trust your government? DH/DSS Key - 0x7A1BEA01
I have a 650MHz and 128Mb RAM, yet StarOffice 5.2 opens like a snail. I was wondering if OpenOffice is substantially better in this area (i.e. faster, takes less memory)? Both of them say 64Mb recommended, but I thought I read that OpenOffice does not have the Sun Desktop, if that is true, I was hoping it might be quite a bit faster. TIA -Jeric
I have a 650MHz and 128Mb RAM, yet StarOffice 5.2 opens like a snail. I was wondering if OpenOffice is substantially better in this area (i.e. faster, takes less memory)? Both of them say 64Mb recommended, but I
On Sun, 2002-04-14 at 12:26, jeric wrote: thought I read that OpenOffice does not have the Sun Desktop, if that is true, I was hoping it might be quite a bit faster.
TIA -Jeric
How could anything be slower than StarOffice 5.2 :-) Neither OpenOffice nor StarOffice6 have the Star desktop. My experience is that both OpenOffice and StarOffice6 open faster than SO 5.2, maybe load in 1/2 the time. Still not very fast. In use, i.e. calculations or typing I do not see much difference in speed with ANY word processor or spreadsheet program. I want an office type program to load fast, look at gnumeric or abiword. -- Ralph Sanford - If your government does not trust you, rsanford@telusplanet.net - should you trust your government? DH/DSS Key - 0x7A1BEA01
On Sunday, 14 April 2002 14:26, you wrote:
I have a 650MHz and 128Mb RAM, yet StarOffice 5.2 opens like a snail.
Hi, all: How slow is a snail? I don't have an answer to the question, only a bit of trivia for the record. Though I have a bit more RAM (196 MB), my AMD is an old 333 MHz K6 running on a "fast" 33 MHz bus. Spurred by the question, I just checked how long it takes for S.O.-5.2 to go up: 28 sec. Saludos, gr (in /usually/ sunny, balmy Florida Gulf coast).
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On April 15, 2002 08:27 am, gilson redrick wrote:
On Sunday, 14 April 2002 14:26, you wrote:
I have a 650MHz and 128Mb RAM, yet StarOffice 5.2 opens like a snail.
Hi, all:
How slow is a snail? I don't have an answer to the question, only a bit of trivia for the record. Though I have a bit more RAM (196 MB), my AMD is an old 333 MHz K6 running on a "fast" 33 MHz bus. Spurred by the question, I just checked how long it takes for S.O.-5.2 to go up: 28 sec.
Here's a worse metric: I can open Staroffice, then while it's loading, load up MS Word via Crossover Office. MS Office is up and editing a blank document while StarOffice is still displaying a splash screen. You know it's slow when... - -- James Oakley Engineering - SolutionInc Ltd. joakley@solutioninc.com http://www.solutioninc.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8us4u+FOexA3koIgRAm5EAKCsFnP2IVS0e80vYe/BLz9qYDl0cQCfVq2X +Tpj5dHBrn2UXvcqXvKanpc= =vU++ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
James Oakley wrote:
gilson redrick wrote:
Ralph Sanford wrote:
I have a 650MHz and 128Mb RAM, yet StarOffice 5.2 opens like a snail.
How slow is a snail? I don't have an answer to the question, only a bit of trivia for the record. Though I have a bit more RAM (196 MB), my AMD is an old 333 MHz K6 running on a "fast" 33 MHz bus. Spurred by the question, I just checked how long it takes for S.O.-5.2 to go up: 28 sec.
Here's a worse metric:
I can open Staroffice, then while it's loading, load up MS Word via Crossover Office. MS Office is up and editing a blank document while StarOffice is still displaying a splash screen.
You know it's slow when...
I'd like to point out that "heavy" programs such as SO5.2 open considerably faster when using a light-weight window manager such as Blackbox or XFCE instead of KDE2 (and having no other programs running). Even on my P166 with 64 MB RAM I find it quite acceptable. SH
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On April 15, 2002 08:27 am, gilson redrick wrote:
On Sunday, 14 April 2002 14:26, you wrote:
I have a 650MHz and 128Mb RAM, yet StarOffice 5.2 opens like a snail.
Hi, all:
How slow is a snail? I don't have an answer to the question, only a bit of trivia for the record. Though I have a bit more RAM (196 MB), my AMD is an old 333 MHz K6 running on a "fast" 33 MHz bus. Spurred by the question, I just checked how long it takes for S.O.-5.2 to go up: 28 sec.
Here's a worse metric:
I can open Staroffice, then while it's loading, load up MS Word via Crossover Office. MS Office is up and editing a blank document while StarOffice is still displaying a splash screen.
You know it's slow when...
tosi@gandalf:~> time /opt/office52/program/soffice real 0m29.657s user 0m2.720s sys 0m0.460s tosi@gandalf:~> time /opt/office52/program/soffice real 0m5.098s user 0m2.490s sys 0m0.220s tosi@gandalf:~> time /opt/OpenOffice/program/soffice real 0m32.077s user 0m5.820s sys 0m0.480s tosi@gandalf:~> time /opt/OpenOffice/program/soffice real 0m8.601s user 0m5.680s sys 0m0.350s tosi@gandalf:~> time /opt/applix/applix real 0m1.740s user 0m0.010s sys 0m0.000s tosi@gandalf:~> time abiword real 0m4.365s user 0m0.190s sys 0m0.070s tosi@gandalf:~>time gnumeric Message: Successfully registered `OAFIID:GNOME_Gnumeric_GridFactory' real 0m7.359s user 0m0.540s sys 0m0.090s tosi@gandalf:~> time /usr/local/HancomOffice2/bin/HancomWord ... real 0m11.839s user 0m2.060s sys 0m0.230s tosi@gandalf:~> time kword ... real 0m7.631s user 0m2.330s sys 0m0.110s tosi@gandalf:~> Everything is measured from start to mouseclick:->File:->Exit EXCEPT: StarOffice ( subtract 1.5-2 sec because of pop-up register-me window ) Applix ( It execs itself so I get the prompt right away. Add ~2.5-3 sec ) By far are StarOffice and OpenOffice the worst of the pack :-) At least OpenOffice has ODBC... - -tosi - -- This mail is sent using KMail and Linux. Thus it is 100% guaranteed virus free. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8uzut6mRH+PEpr2YRAplKAJ4iUwmqyD76AzCtqpL5+xz5zKFBUgCeLwdl tVmHKb1fZ7DiGx+BuPFpWo8= =nfRX -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On April 15, 2002 05:44 pm, Tor Sigurdsson wrote:
tosi@gandalf:~> time /opt/office52/program/soffice
real 0m29.657s user 0m2.720s sys 0m0.460s tosi@gandalf:~> time /opt/office52/program/soffice
real 0m5.098s user 0m2.490s sys 0m0.220s tosi@gandalf:~> time /opt/OpenOffice/program/soffice
real 0m32.077s user 0m5.820s sys 0m0.480s tosi@gandalf:~> time /opt/OpenOffice/program/soffice
real 0m8.601s user 0m5.680s sys 0m0.350s tosi@gandalf:~> time /opt/applix/applix
real 0m1.740s user 0m0.010s sys 0m0.000s tosi@gandalf:~> time abiword
real 0m4.365s user 0m0.190s sys 0m0.070s tosi@gandalf:~>time gnumeric Message: Successfully registered `OAFIID:GNOME_Gnumeric_GridFactory'
real 0m7.359s user 0m0.540s sys 0m0.090s tosi@gandalf:~> time /usr/local/HancomOffice2/bin/HancomWord ...
real 0m11.839s user 0m2.060s sys 0m0.230s tosi@gandalf:~> time kword ...
real 0m7.631s user 0m2.330s sys 0m0.110s tosi@gandalf:~>
Everything is measured from start to mouseclick:->File:->Exit
EXCEPT: StarOffice ( subtract 1.5-2 sec because of pop-up register-me window ) Applix ( It execs itself so I get the prompt right away. Add ~2.5-3 sec )
By far are StarOffice and OpenOffice the worst of the pack :-)
At least OpenOffice has ODBC...
Sorry for dragging this on, but I'm sure at least someone is interested in how Crossover Office stacks up (It's a great piece of software). Most will be very surprised: jfunk@linux:~> time /opt/office52/program/soffice real 0m54.078s user 0m4.420s sys 0m0.810s jfunk@linux:~> time /opt/OpenOffice.org642/program/soffice real 1m4.159s user 0m9.390s sys 0m0.640s jfunk@linux:~> time abiword real 0m12.969s user 0m0.770s sys 0m0.200s jfunk@linux:~> time cxoffice/bin/winword real 0m17.340s user 0m2.270s sys 0m0.640s Pathetic, huh? - -- James Oakley Engineering - SolutionInc Ltd. joakley@solutioninc.com http://www.solutioninc.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8vFYg+FOexA3koIgRAl4kAKCstWoip4zsWi3OcYvzVTPGLRE+wwCeL409 bXBl0RthuLdCmpqtH9Kk7nY= =h/NF -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
participants (10)
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Fred A. Miller -
gilson redrick -
jaakko tamminen -
James Oakley -
jeric -
Rachel Greenham -
Ralph Sanford -
Robert C. Paulsen Jr. -
Sjoerd Hiemstra -
Tor Sigurdsson