[opensuse] plasma - non-KDE windows use KDE soft-whites (fcfcfc or eff0f1) unreadable - how to fix?
All, I'm playing with plasma: KDE Frameworks 5.39.0 Qt 5.9.2 (built against 5.9.2) The xcb windowing system I have the breeze-dark theme, which is usable, with one major exception, all non-kde windows that are supposed to be white (e.g. virtualbox/Win7, etc.) are a dim blueish white. (0xfcfcfc or 0xeff0f1 -- verified by picking colors off the scrren with kde-colorchooser, that is what is set in kcontrol->Appearance->Colors) According to https://community.kde.org/File:Breeze_Color_Palette.png These are the Breeze Colors ("Paper White" and "Cardboard Grey"). However, they are being applied to non-kde apps making things that are supposed to have a white background -- not-white, totally messing up contrast in some of the non-kde apps. How do I tell plasma to leave the colors in non-kde apps alone? Looking at windows-explorer with a 0xfcfcfc background will drive you nuts with the soft-blue contrasting highlight windows uses. (it's like staring into a 'cool-blue' florescent light-bulb). I don't understand how the colors are getting applied, it's almost like there is some filter or overlay that is trying to make all colors in all apps match the breeze "View Text" and "Window Text" color theme settings. Any help would be appreciated. (another bewildering quandary is font-size. 8-pt mono is tiny on plasma and 9-pt mono looks like 11-pt -- there is literally no in between...) -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
David C. Rankin composed on 2017-11-11 18:17 (UTC-0600):
(another bewildering quandary is font-size. 8-pt mono is tiny on plasma and 9-pt mono looks like 11-pt -- there is literally no in between...)
Are you sure which mono fonts are actually being used? There is quite some physical size variations among some of the families. What are those same fonts sized like in KHTML/Konq, Firefox or SeaMonkey? http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/Font/fonts-face-samplesM.html http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/Font/fonts-face-samplesMh.html http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/Font/fontm-miscfixed.html http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/Font/fontm-misccons.html http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/Font/fonts-comps-linuxmono.html http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/Font/ -- "Wisdom is supreme; therefore get wisdom. Whatever else you get, get wisdom." Proverbs 4:7 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 12/11/17 01:17, David C. Rankin wrote:
All,
I'm playing with plasma:
KDE Frameworks 5.39.0 Qt 5.9.2 (built against 5.9.2) The xcb windowing system
I have the breeze-dark theme, which is usable, with one major exception, all non-kde windows that are supposed to be white (e.g. virtualbox/Win7, etc.) are a dim blueish white. (0xfcfcfc or 0xeff0f1 -- verified by picking colors off the scrren with kde-colorchooser, that is what is set in kcontrol->Appearance->Colors) According to
https://community.kde.org/File:Breeze_Color_Palette.png
These are the Breeze Colors ("Paper White" and "Cardboard Grey"). However, they are being applied to non-kde apps making things that are supposed to have a white background -- not-white, totally messing up contrast in some of the non-kde apps.
How do I tell plasma to leave the colors in non-kde apps alone?
Looking at windows-explorer with a 0xfcfcfc background will drive you nuts with the soft-blue contrasting highlight windows uses. (it's like staring into a 'cool-blue' florescent light-bulb).
I don't understand how the colors are getting applied, it's almost like there is some filter or overlay that is trying to make all colors in all apps match the breeze "View Text" and "Window Text" color theme settings.
Any help would be appreciated.
(another bewildering quandary is font-size. 8-pt mono is tiny on plasma and 9-pt mono looks like 11-pt -- there is literally no in between...)
If you go to System Settings -> Application Style -> GNOME Application Style (GTK) do you have Breeze-Dark selected for both GTK2 and GTK3 themes? (It's also available as an icon theme) I don't know if I've seen the symptoms you're describing. I'm using regular Plasma having just upgraded to Leap 42.3. The only problems I've really had previously are things like form fields in Firefox and one or two other browser elements that are sometimes not legible. gumb -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 11/11/2017 8:33 PM, gumb wrote:
If you go to System Settings -> Application Style -> GNOME Application Style (GTK) do you have Breeze-Dark selected for both GTK2 and GTK3 themes? (It's also available as an icon theme)
I'll have to give this a try next time I boot into the drive with plasma. rdesktop could also be part of the problem for the virtualbox --headless guests accessed remotely. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Sat, 11 Nov 2017 18:17:36 -0600, David C. Rankin wrote:
All,
I'm playing with plasma:
KDE Frameworks 5.39.0 Qt 5.9.2 (built against 5.9.2) The xcb windowing system
I have the breeze-dark theme, which is usable, with one major exception, all non-kde windows that are supposed to be white (e.g. virtualbox/Win7, etc.) are a dim blueish white. (0xfcfcfc or 0xeff0f1 -- verified by picking colors off the scrren with kde-colorchooser, that is what is set in kcontrol->Appearance->Colors) According to
https://community.kde.org/File:Breeze_Color_Palette.png
These are the Breeze Colors ("Paper White" and "Cardboard Grey"). However, they are being applied to non-kde apps making things that are supposed to have a white background -- not-white, totally messing up contrast in some of the non-kde apps.
How do I tell plasma to leave the colors in non-kde apps alone?
Looking at windows-explorer with a 0xfcfcfc background will drive you nuts with the soft-blue contrasting highlight windows uses. (it's like staring into a 'cool-blue' florescent light-bulb).
I don't understand how the colors are getting applied, it's almost like there is some filter or overlay that is trying to make all colors in all apps match the breeze "View Text" and "Window Text" color theme settings.
David, I can't help you because I don't use plasma at all. I am just replying to your last sentence above. In KDE4 I have similar problem, namely I cannot set the panel clock font color to real black. Although there is a font color set option for the clock, and it is even applied, some layer (belongs to the panel maybe?) changes it. Real black (00/00/00) becomes dark gray with much less contrast. Nobody could help me to solve this so far. I don't want to hijack your topic, I only think that there might be similar mechanism in the background in both cases. I am really curious if you can solve it, if yes, please post it. Cheers, Istvan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 12/11/2017 14:11, Istvan Gabor wrote:
On Sat, 11 Nov 2017 18:17:36 -0600, David C. Rankin wrote:
All,
I'm playing with plasma:
KDE Frameworks 5.39.0 Qt 5.9.2 (built against 5.9.2) The xcb windowing system
I have the breeze-dark theme, which is usable, with one major exception, all non-kde windows that are supposed to be white (e.g. virtualbox/Win7, etc.) are a dim blueish white. (0xfcfcfc or 0xeff0f1 -- verified by picking colors off the scrren with kde-colorchooser, that is what is set in kcontrol->Appearance->Colors) According to
https://community.kde.org/File:Breeze_Color_Palette.png
These are the Breeze Colors ("Paper White" and "Cardboard Grey"). However, they are being applied to non-kde apps making things that are supposed to have a white background -- not-white, totally messing up contrast in some of the non-kde apps.
How do I tell plasma to leave the colors in non-kde apps alone?
Looking at windows-explorer with a 0xfcfcfc background will drive you nuts with the soft-blue contrasting highlight windows uses. (it's like staring into a 'cool-blue' florescent light-bulb).
I don't understand how the colors are getting applied, it's almost like there is some filter or overlay that is trying to make all colors in all apps match the breeze "View Text" and "Window Text" color theme settings.
David,
I can't help you because I don't use plasma at all. I am just replying to your last sentence above. In KDE4 I have similar problem, namely I cannot set the panel clock font color to real black. Although there is a font color set option for the clock, and it is even applied, some layer (belongs to the panel maybe?) changes it. Real black (00/00/00) becomes dark gray with much less contrast. Nobody could help me to solve this so far. I don't want to hijack your topic, I only think that there might be similar mechanism in the background in both cases. I am really curious if you can solve it, if yes, please post it.
Cheers,
Istvan
There's a setting in there somewhere, I've had this problem on every new reinstall. I've fixed it and forgotten it and when I'm sober tomorrow, I tell you what it is. Regards Dave P -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 13/11/17 04:48, Dave Plater wrote:
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There's a setting in there somewhere, I've had this problem on every new reinstall. I've fixed it and forgotten it and when I'm sober tomorrow, I tell you what it is. Regards Dave P
"System Settings > Colours > Apply colours to non-Qt applications" perhaps???? -- Robin K Wellington "Harbour City" New Zealand -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 12/11/2017 22:33, Robin Klitscher wrote:
On 13/11/17 04:48, Dave Plater wrote:
<snip>
There's a setting in there somewhere, I've had this problem on every new reinstall. I've fixed it and forgotten it and when I'm sober tomorrow, I tell you what it is. Regards Dave P
"System Settings > Colours > Apply colours to non-Qt applications" perhaps????
I have "Apply colours to non-Qt applications" checked, that is the default and I don't think I've ever changed it. The start menu item is "Configure Desktop" > "Application Style" > "Gnome Application Style (GTK)" The only part that appears to not be default is "Cursor Theme" is "Oxygen Black" instead of yellow. I'm sure that somewhere between these two settings David can fix the Gtk background problem. Best Regards Dave P -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
David C. Rankin wrote:
How do I tell plasma to leave the colors in non-kde apps alone?
Not sure if it's the same issue, I had trouble with the tooltips of gtk applications (namely gimp). Solution was to uncheck 'Apply colours to non-QT applications' in System Settings->Colours -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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