[opensuse] No borders on windows - KDE on 15.2
One thing I've noticed since updating to 15.2 is there doesn't seem to be anything to mark the edge of a window, so that if the background of one is the same colour as another, to can't see where one ends and the other starts. Is this some sort of new "feature"? If so, it's extremely annoying. For example, I currently have a Seamonkey email window open over a Chromium web page, both with a white background. The only way I can tell where one or the other is, is to see where the Chromium text ends, covered up by the Seamonkey window. tnx jk -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
* James Knott <james.knott@jknott.net> [09-18-20 09:51]:
One thing I've noticed since updating to 15.2 is there doesn't seem to be anything to mark the edge of a window, so that if the background of one is the same colour as another, to can't see where one ends and the other starts. Is this some sort of new "feature"? If so, it's extremely annoying. For example, I currently have a Seamonkey email window open over a Chromium web page, both with a white background. The only way I can tell where one or the other is, is to see where the Chromium text ends, covered up by the Seamonkey window.
you have a config problem probably systemsettings5 -> appearance -> application style but w/o knowing more about your "personal" configuration changes, that is just guessing. you know what you set and something you set was not right or imcomplete. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Am 18.09.20 um 16:45 schrieb Patrick Shanahan:
* James Knott <james.knott@jknott.net> [09-18-20 09:51]:
One thing I've noticed since updating to 15.2 is there doesn't seem to be anything to mark the edge of a window, so that if the background of one is the same colour as another, to can't see where one ends and the other starts. Is this some sort of new "feature"? If so, it's extremely annoying. For example, I currently have a Seamonkey email window open over a Chromium web page, both with a white background. The only way I can tell where one or the other is, is to see where the Chromium text ends, covered up by the Seamonkey window.
you have a config problem probably systemsettings5 -> appearance -> application style
but w/o knowing more about your "personal" configuration changes, that is just guessing. you know what you set and something you set was not right or imcomplete.
same happend in tw about end last year, systemsettings5 -> appearance -> application style -> "window-decoration" lower side of the window now you see a checkbox "use preconfig of the design" behind this you could change from "no border" to a border you like. (i have freely translated from german to english, so you should not look for exact the text inside "...." i wrote here) simoN -- www.becherer.de -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 9/18/20 11:01 AM, Simon Becherer wrote:
same happend in tw about end last year, systemsettings5 -> appearance -> application style -> "window-decoration" lower side of the window now you see a checkbox "use preconfig of the design" behind this you could change from "no border" to a border you like.
(i have freely translated from german to english, so you should not look for exact the text inside "...." i wrote here)
That was it. tnx -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 09:49:06 -0400 James Knott <james.knott@jknott.net> wrote:
One thing I've noticed since updating to 15.2 is there doesn't seem to be anything to mark the edge of a window, so that if the background of one is the same colour as another, to can't see where one ends and the other starts. Is this some sort of new "feature"? If so, it's extremely annoying. For example, I currently have a Seamonkey email window open over a Chromium web page, both with a white background. The only way I can tell where one or the other is, is to see where the Chromium text ends, covered up by the Seamonkey window.
You probably should say what desktop you're using at least, and preferably what theme etc etc -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 13:27:29 -0400 James Knott <james.knott@jknott.net> wrote:
On 9/18/20 1:11 PM, Dave Howorth wrote:
You probably should say what desktop you're using at least
I did. Check the title.
Pardon me, I don't look up to read subjects. I assume people will say what is important in the body of their message. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 9/18/20 1:35 PM, Dave Howorth wrote:
I did. Check the title. Pardon me, I don't look up to read subjects. I assume people will say what is important in the body of their message.
I do the opposite. I check the title to see if it's something I'm interested in. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 18/09/2020 15.49, James Knott wrote:
One thing I've noticed since updating to 15.2 is there doesn't seem to be anything to mark the edge of a window, so that if the background of one is the same colour as another, to can't see where one ends and the other starts. Is this some sort of new "feature"? If so, it's extremely annoying. For example, I currently have a Seamonkey email window open over a Chromium web page, both with a white background. The only way I can tell where one or the other is, is to see where the Chromium text ends, covered up by the Seamonkey window.
I observed a similar problem on XFCE installed on a new laptop. The border is so thin that grabbing the edge at the lower-right corner in order to resize the window with a touch panel is very, very difficult. I need something like half a minute of trying, sometime more. What theme? No idea, the default one. I no longer have that laptop. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar)
Le 18/09/2020 à 22:21, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
I observed a similar problem on XFCE installed on a new laptop. The border is so thin that grabbing the edge at the lower-right corner in order to resize the window with a touch panel is very, very difficult. I need something like half a minute of trying, sometime more.
true, but not that new :-( jdd -- http://dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 9/18/20 4:25 PM, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 18/09/2020 à 22:21, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
I observed a similar problem on XFCE installed on a new laptop. The border is so thin that grabbing the edge at the lower-right corner in order to resize the window with a touch panel is very, very difficult. I need something like half a minute of trying, sometime more.
true, but not that new :-(
jdd
I see that borderless is now the default. Why on earth would anyone make that default? I guess it's part of trend over the past several years that seem to make things harder to read or see. While I have issues, despite having good vision, I'd hate to be someone with impaired vision. I've seen some web sites that are almost unreadable, due to the colour choices, such as black on dark blue. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 18/09/2020 22.30, James Knott wrote:
On 9/18/20 4:25 PM, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 18/09/2020 à 22:21, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
I observed a similar problem on XFCE installed on a new laptop. The border is so thin that grabbing the edge at the lower-right corner in order to resize the window with a touch panel is very, very difficult. I need something like half a minute of trying, sometime more.
true, but not that new :-(
jdd
I see that borderless is now the default. Why on earth would anyone make that default? I guess it's part of trend over the past several years that seem to make things harder to read or see. While I have issues, despite having good vision, I'd hate to be someone with impaired vision. I've seen some web sites that are almost unreadable, due to the colour choices, such as black on dark blue.
Well, I'm not a young man any more, but my eyesight is reasonably good for my age - as proven by the tiny font I'm using to read this :-) Still, it is not a problem of seeing the border, but that it is very difficult to move the mouse pointer with a touch-pad just one pixel. You need doing a very fine finger movement. I manage after several tries, of course, but this is not good. No wonder that people buy actual mice to use with laptops instead of using the included touchpad. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 22:53:07 +0200 "Carlos E. R." <robin.listas@telefonica.net> wrote:
On 18/09/2020 22.30, James Knott wrote:
On 9/18/20 4:25 PM, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 18/09/2020 à 22:21, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
I observed a similar problem on XFCE installed on a new laptop. The border is so thin that grabbing the edge at the lower-right corner in order to resize the window with a touch panel is very, very difficult. I need something like half a minute of trying, sometime more.
true, but not that new :-(
jdd
I see that borderless is now the default. Why on earth would anyone make that default? I guess it's part of trend over the past several years that seem to make things harder to read or see. While I have issues, despite having good vision, I'd hate to be someone with impaired vision. I've seen some web sites that are almost unreadable, due to the colour choices, such as black on dark blue.
Well, I'm not a young man any more, but my eyesight is reasonably good for my age - as proven by the tiny font I'm using to read this :-)
Still, it is not a problem of seeing the border, but that it is very difficult to move the mouse pointer with a touch-pad just one pixel. You need doing a very fine finger movement. I manage after several tries, of course, but this is not good. No wonder that people buy actual mice to use with laptops instead of using the included touchpad.
I always tweak the theme to have slightly wider borders for that reason, and make the active border a bright colour so I can see it. In extremis you can also use the keyboard instead, of course: Alt-SPACE to bring up the menu and then whatever - Z maybe - for resize. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 9/19/20 6:29 AM, Dave Howorth wrote:
I always tweak the theme to have slightly wider borders for that reason, and make the active border a bright colour so I can see it. In extremis you can also use the keyboard instead, of course: Alt-SPACE to bring up the menu and then whatever - Z maybe - for resize.
In all the years I've been using a computer, this is something I've never, ever had to consider. I've been using a graphical interface since I started with OS/2 in 1992. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
James Knott composed on 2020-09-18 16:30 (UTC-0400):
trend over the past several years that seem to make things harder to read or see.
That's always been a tacit component of web development. Anyone in that business full time is probably spending all day in front of the biggest possible display, and probably not using eyes with less than top quartile visual acuity. That puts them in poor position to be conscious of what average or worse vision users see or not. Breeze is the worst default theme I've ever encountered anywhere. Before Breeze, I had been content with KDE's default theme practically forever. Since Breeze, I hesitate to recommend any DE other than KDE3 or TDE, and prefer to avoid the subject entirely. -- Evolution as taught in public schools, like religion, is based on faith, not on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 9/18/20 6:18 PM, Felix Miata wrote:
Breeze is the worst default theme I've ever encountered anywhere. Before Breeze, I had been content with KDE's default theme practically forever. Since Breeze, I hesitate to recommend any DE other than KDE3 or TDE, and prefer to avoid the subject entirely.
Sometimes I get the impression things are being designed by people who are really not qualified. Being an excellent programmer does not make one an excellent graphic designer. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Sat, 19 Sep 2020 07:08:27 -0400 James Knott <james.knott@jknott.net> wrote:
On 9/18/20 6:18 PM, Felix Miata wrote:
Breeze is the worst default theme I've ever encountered anywhere. Before Breeze, I had been content with KDE's default theme practically forever. Since Breeze, I hesitate to recommend any DE other than KDE3 or TDE, and prefer to avoid the subject entirely.
Sometimes I get the impression things are being designed by people who are really not qualified. Being an excellent programmer does not make one an excellent graphic designer.
And neither may be a good UI designer. Which is yet another skill. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 9/19/20 7:52 AM, Dave Howorth wrote:
Sometimes I get the impression things are being designed by people who are really not qualified. Being an excellent programmer does not make one an excellent graphic designer. And neither may be a good UI designer. Which is yet another skill.
Back in the late '90s, when I was getting started with Linux, I didn't care for the Gnome desktop, because it was so ugly. I haven't used it since. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 19/09/2020 14.47, James Knott wrote:
On 9/19/20 7:52 AM, Dave Howorth wrote:
Sometimes I get the impression things are being designed by people who are really not qualified. Being an excellent programmer does not make one an excellent graphic designer. And neither may be a good UI designer. Which is yet another skill.
Back in the late '90s, when I was getting started with Linux, I didn't care for the Gnome desktop, because it was so ugly. I haven't used it since.
Ugly is not the same thing as usable. It can be "ugly" and have a high usability. I used gnome 2 till it changed to version 3, which was "beautiful" but not usable. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar)
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