RE: [SLE] Ridiculous anti-YaST2 arguments, RE:Yast 2 SUCKS
===== Original Message From "Berge, Harry ten" <berge@hitt.nl> ===== This thread is going on and on. SuSE delivers a *GREAT* product. But, as many others, I have some problems with YaST2. But I think the solution to this (and particulary for SuSE) is very simple. Make YaST1 available to the community. All those people complaining can then be productive and create a YaST1 that is compatible with the 'sysconfig' structure which is one of the major changes between 7.3 and 8.0.
SuSE happy (because they don't have to change yast2), and everybody else happy 'cause they can hack away and create a YaST1 XP++++ that will become the best configuration utility ever!!!
the source can be downloaded from ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/suse/apt/SuSE/7.3-i386/SRPMS.update/yast-1.13.3-5. src.rpm Download gives: yast-1.13.3-5.src.rpm mkdir /usr//tmp/yast cd /usr//tmp/yast rpm2cpio yast-1.13.3-5.src.rpm > yast-1.13.3-5.src.cpio cpio -id < yast-1.13.3-5.src.cpio most relevant packages seem to be: yast-1.13.3.tar.gz yast.fdisk.tar.gz yast.misc.tar.gz Now get the *spec file by installing the srpm. Create a project at sourceforge import the the files delivered by the above tar.gz files and your settled :) Happy hacking :) -- Dit bericht is verzonden met Webmail van Freeler. Ook snel en betrouwbaar toegang tot internet? Meld je aan op http://www.freeler.nl
This thread is going on and on. SuSE delivers a *GREAT* product. But, as many others, I have some problems with YaST2. But I think the solution to this (and particulary for SuSE) is very simple. Make YaST1 available to the community. All those people complaining can then be productive and create a YaST1 that is compatible with the 'sysconfig' structure which is one of the major changes between 7.3 and 8.0.
SuSE happy (because they don't have to change yast2), and everybody else happy 'cause they can hack away and create a YaST1 XP++++ that will become the best configuration utility ever!!!
Create a project at sourceforge import the the files delivered by the above tar.gz files and your settled
Anyone daft enough to attempt such a task would be much better off starting with the YaST2 source and fitting a decent, YaST1-alike, interface in front of it, then adding any additional functionality they think is missing. If SuSE didn't think updating YaST1 to SuSE-8.0 was a feasible proposition, I can't see anyone else having any success. -- 1:35pm up 7 days, 4:14, 1 user, load average: 0.01, 0.00, 0.00
Op woensdag 31 juli 2002 14:43, schreef Derek Fountain:
Create a project at sourceforge import the the files delivered by the above tar.gz files and your settled
Anyone daft enough to attempt such a task would be much better off starting with the YaST2 source and fitting a decent, YaST1-alike, interface in front of it, then adding any additional functionality they think is missing. If SuSE didn't think updating YaST1 to SuSE-8.0 was a feasible proposition, I can't see anyone else having any success.
The advantage of using the YaST1 sources is that they are not moving. And if one wants to use YaST1 for creating users or rpm retrieval is should be too difficult, as that won't involve much hacking into the /etc/sysconfig stuff (I guess). You can't do it with YaST2 because they are actively developed by SuSE them selves of course. -- Richard Bos Without a home the journey is endless
On Wed, 31 Jul 2002 21:24:07 +0200, Richard Bos wrote:
The advantage of using the YaST1 sources is that they are not moving. And if one wants to use YaST1 for creating users or rpm retrieval is should be too difficult, as that won't involve much hacking into the /etc/sysconfig stuff (I guess). You can't do it with YaST2 because they are actively developed by SuSE them selves of course.
There's another advantage. A different code base means that bugs in one product are less likely to also be present in the other. -- David Benfell, LCP benfell@parts-unknown.org --- Resume available at http://www.parts-unknown.org/resume.html
Hi In sysadmin functionality and speed should be first !!! Look & feel, Oh well, Mandrake, RH, .... SuSE was good in Functionalyt & speed, but now ... ? j
just to let you know; I tried to install the original 7.3 rpm at an 8.0 system, but this is not possible due to file conflicts. That would be the first thing to resolve. linux09:/usr/tmp # rpm -Uvh --test yast-1.13.3-5.i386.rpm file /sbin/YaST from install of yast-1.13.3-5 conflicts with file from package yast2-2.5.99-0 file /sbin/yast from install of yast-1.13.3-5 conflicts with file from package yast2-2.5.99-0 file /sbin/zast from install of yast-1.13.3-5 conflicts with file from package yast2-2.5.99-0 linux09:~> ls -l /sbin/YaST lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 11 May 13 15:21 /sbin/YaST -> /sbin/yast2 rbos@hvslinux09:~> ls -l /sbin/yast lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 11 May 13 15:21 /sbin/yast -> /sbin/yast2 rbos@hvslinux09:~> ls -l /sbin/zast lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 11 May 13 15:21 /sbin/zast -> /sbin/yast2 /sbin/yast2 is a shell script. If the file conflicts have been resolve, it would I think already be possible to install yast and to use it for e.g. installing rpms. Op woensdag 31 juli 2002 13:45, schreef Richard Bos:
===== Original Message From "Berge, Harry ten" <berge@hitt.nl> ===== This thread is going on and on. SuSE delivers a *GREAT* product. But, as many others, I have some problems with YaST2. But I think the solution to this (and particulary for SuSE) is very simple. Make YaST1 available to the community. All those people complaining can then be productive and create a YaST1 that is compatible with the 'sysconfig' structure which is one of the major changes between 7.3 and 8.0.
SuSE happy (because they don't have to change yast2), and everybody else happy 'cause they can hack away and create a YaST1 XP++++ that will become the best configuration utility ever!!!
the source can be downloaded from ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/suse/apt/SuSE/7.3-i386/SRPMS.update/yast-1.13.3 -5. src.rpm
Download gives: yast-1.13.3-5.src.rpm
mkdir /usr//tmp/yast cd /usr//tmp/yast rpm2cpio yast-1.13.3-5.src.rpm > yast-1.13.3-5.src.cpio cpio -id < yast-1.13.3-5.src.cpio
most relevant packages seem to be: yast-1.13.3.tar.gz yast.fdisk.tar.gz yast.misc.tar.gz
Now get the *spec file by installing the srpm.
Create a project at sourceforge import the the files delivered by the above tar.gz files and your settled :)
Happy hacking :)
-- Richard Bos Without a home the journey is endless
Hi, On Friday 02 August 2002 13:52, you wrote:
just to let you know; I tried to install the original 7.3 rpm at an 8.0 system, but this is not possible due to file conflicts. That would be the first thing to resolve.
linux09:/usr/tmp # rpm -Uvh --test yast-1.13.3-5.i386.rpm file /sbin/YaST from install of yast-1.13.3-5 conflicts with file from package yast2-2.5.99-0 file /sbin/yast from install of yast-1.13.3-5 conflicts with file from package yast2-2.5.99-0 file /sbin/zast from install of yast-1.13.3-5 conflicts with file from package yast2-2.5.99-0
linux09:~> ls -l /sbin/YaST lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 11 May 13 15:21 /sbin/YaST -> /sbin/yast2 rbos@hvslinux09:~> ls -l /sbin/yast lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 11 May 13 15:21 /sbin/yast -> /sbin/yast2 rbos@hvslinux09:~> ls -l /sbin/zast lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 11 May 13 15:21 /sbin/zast -> /sbin/yast2
Well those are just symlinks so that those calling YaST, yast or zast will get yast2. Presumably those of you keen to install yast1 again will want those symlinks out of the way anyhow. Presumably those working on machines with both would want to call yast2 as such anyway. Those recommending the rpm install appeared to be suggesting the use of --force. Best Fergus
On Friday 02 August 2002 14:52, Richard Bos wrote:
If the file conflicts have been resolve, it would I think already be possible to install yast and to use it for e.g. installing rpms.
Easily "resolved" by ignoring it. Install the yast1 rpm and let it overwrite the symlinks. It just means that you'll have to start yast2 by typing "yast2" instead of "yast" or "YaST" or "zast" in future. No great loss, I'm sure you'll agree. //Anders
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