Do you have a jornaling filesystem like reiserfs or ext3? It is posible (in theory) that you loose some "data files" if you quit the power of the computer without close all the files and clear your cache. Did you have any crashes with those programs who loose files? Regards, Alejandro Gómez Fernandez Jerry Feldman escribió:

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I'm a SuSE Linux user since 1996-97, even a SuSE reseller from 1998 to 2001, and I've never found a problem like this, never, even in cases when I have done many "bad things" with it:

Konqueror bookmarks disapeears from time to time; a html file created by myself with all links visited every day disappears from time to time; several gigs of jpg and video files disappeared; and last I've discovered this morning all my Tellico databases disappeared !!! That's incredible!

I assure you I've done nothing so that this thing happens. My question is, what's wrong with SuSE now?

I'm using OpenSuSE 10.2, on x86_64 architecture; ext3 filesystem; KDE and GNOME; kernel 2.6.20 from repositories. I don't know what to do, but if this is the behaviour of SuSE now, I'll completely remove it, and install another distro o even change to BSD.

Thanks in advance, and I hope my poor English would be explicit enough to understand this embarrasing thing.

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Hard drive failing perhaps ???? Any time I've experienced really weird issues it's been related to a hard drive failing. On 4/1/07, Hudibras wrote:

El dom, 01-04-2007 a las 08:53 -0400, Jerry Feldman escribió:

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On Sun, 01 Apr 2007 11:20:35 +0200 Hudibras wrote:

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I'm a SuSE Linux user since 1996-97, even a SuSE reseller from 1998 to 2001, and I've never found a problem like this, never, even in cases when I have done many "bad things" with it:

Konqueror bookmarks disapeears from time to time; a html file created by myself with all links visited every day disappears from time to time; several gigs of jpg and video files disappeared; and last I've discovered this morning all my Tellico databases disappeared !!! That's incredible!

I assure you I've done nothing so that this thing happens. My question is, what's wrong with SuSE now?

I'm using OpenSuSE 10.2, on x86_64 architecture; ext3 filesystem; KDE and GNOME; kernel 2.6.20 from repositories. I don't know what to do, but if this is the behaviour of SuSE now, I'll completely remove it, and install another distro o even change to BSD.

Thanks in advance, and I hope my poor English would be explicit enough to understand this embarrasing thing. No problem with your language.

Oh, thanks. And many more thanks for the answer.

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Just a comment, I have been using SuSE for quite a while, and I have never experienced a loss of data that I could blame on Linux.

Nor so do I! I can even swear SuSE has always been the more stable and secure... until a while. Look if I have done the most badly things (once I installed one or two Mandrake packages , and it worked!), and it never complained at all. No, no. The problem is now, not before (I insist on it: never before).

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Have you checked the lost+found directories in each of your file

Yes, of course. They are all empty. There's no trace of them.

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systems. I am currently using 10.1 on my desktop and 10.2 on my 64-bit laptop.

Can you elborate a bit more of how the files were lost: 1. Was it during an install?

No, no... the nearly thousand SuSE installations I've done until now (as I said before, I'm using SuSE from 1997 o 1998, at home or when reselling SuSE), things were all right in every case.

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2. Is it possible that your system was hacked?

Ha... It's quite impossible, but it never knows... I've traced a bit over there and I didn't find anything.

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You really need to look at your logs to try to find out why things were deleted because I don't think the fault is with SuSE, the filesystem,

I wish the fault is not with SuSE!, but don't you think it's a bit strange that only have disappeared music o video files, or even jpg? Maybe the SGAE (Spanish Association for Author's Copyright, I hope you know what I mean) got "mariachis" hacking machines over internet? It's also funny to see that three of five exports to html I made with my Tellico databases, were really what disappeared... the other two are still there, in their actual directory.

No, I don't think a hacker was on my machine, though I understand.

And what about my html file containing only links to SuSE repositories, kde-look, gnome-look; some links to directories of my own, etc. That's it, nothing important, files that hackers don't hesitate to remove them. If so, they would be the most silly hackers in the world!

I suspect something about rights and so on.

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or the 2.6.20 kernel.

I hope so.

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Additionally, boot the system into single-user mode and manually run fsck (e2fsck) in non-destructive mode on each of your file systems.

That's the only thing left me. I'll do it soon.

So isn't there anybody here experienced a lost of files in a mysterious way? Is there ghosts in SuSE now? Really If I find something "strange", I will be the first true fan of SuSE removing it for ever.

Bye, regards and thank you very much indeed, I will be looking forward your answer.

Alejandro.

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On Apr 01, 07 20:39:30 +0200, Hudibras wrote:

Well, if problem persist, I will remove SuSE for ever, and I'll come back to BSD again. I have said before, and it's really a pity, but I think this is unbearable.

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El dom, 01-04-2007 a las 19:45 +0200, jdd escribió:

Hudibras wrote:

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Thanks in advance, and I hope my poor English would be explicit enough to understand this embarrasing thing. No problem with your language. mine is not better :-)

Ha, ha, ha. Thanks for your answer.

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Just a comment, I have been using SuSE for quite a while, and I have never experienced a loss of data that I could blame on Linux.

you can't blame anybody before knowing what happen

Yes, but this happens several months ago, and I finally am about to write to the list when I have noticed the Tellico databases disaster. It was hard for me to do it.

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2. Is it possible that your system was hacked?

Ha... It's quite impossible, but it never knows... I've traced a bit over there and I didn't find anything.

is your computer accessable by any people in your family/workmate?

No, no, don't take care of this. I have two daughters, and the have their own computer. They know mine is untouchable. I already knew you were asking me for this. So that problem, discarded.

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I wish the fault is not with SuSE!, but don't you think it's a bit strange that only have disappeared music o video files, or even jpg?

it's precisely this that make me think it's not suse fault.

And why not? I had all these disappeared files in different partitions, hard drives and even directories. All my computer is failing? I have just said to another lister that it's a bit strange to see only certain types of files disappearing. And for instance, why disappear the links to adult material only? Would you kindly explain to me? Perhaps failures on hardware are a "backdoor" spy now? I've never experienced this, from 1997 when I became a SuSE user and a true fan. I repeat I have done really weird things, and SuSE always was a very good friend of mine. No, no... here is something more, but unaffortunately I can't still know why. So patience.

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Additionally, boot the system into single-user mode and manually run fsck (e2fsck) in non-destructive mode on each of your file systems.

That's the only thing left me. I'll do it soon.

also test your ram (with memtest)

Ram? Why? Tellico was closed; Konqueror was closed; any multimedia app was closed! Why Ram? I don't understand.

to speak generally, you need to find what all these files have in common that could explain the same problem.

Certain links in konqueror bookmarks have in common anything to Tellico databases, for example? Please, tell me.

tehre are not same files extension, not same place on the filesystem, may be the date of access? all accessed recently? could them be all in ram when problem occure?

in fact no loss can happen without reason (even on windows :-).

Oh I assure you I missed several printings of my invoices when using Windows... I completely removed it, and since then, with SuSE and StarOffice invoices ever disappeared.

Most current are:

* accidental deletion by the user -> beware the links

No. All files I've lost didn't have any links. They were simply files in partitions on a hard drive.

* hardware errors

As I said, this was (of course, because it seemed to me something impossible to conceive in Linux) my first thought, but something indicates me that is also impossible, due to the unique kind of files that lose by themselves. A hardware error would have removed files here and there and everywhere, don't you think so? Or computer would freezed or something like this.

additional question: what % of the recent files have desapear? many, a very small bunch?

Yes! Several gigs of jpg, video files, and all Tellico databases (twenty or thirty megas of my CD's), and of course links in my konqueror bookmarks. is this serious? I think I can have got whatever I want in my computer, then why it disappears from time to time? But after all, I must admit my jpg's are STILL there, until "something" wants... Thanks indeed. Alejandro-

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El dom, 01-04-2007 a las 16:06 -0400, Patrick Shanahan escribió:

* Hudibras [04-01-07 14:59]: [...]

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Yes! Several gigs of jpg, video files, and all Tellico databases (twenty or thirty megas of my CD's), and of course links in my konqueror bookmarks. is this serious? I think I can have got whatever I want in my computer, then why it disappears from time to time? But after all, I must admit my jpg's are STILL there, until "something" wants...

Have you perhaps an errant cron recipe.

No. Look at my cron, please: 01 01 * * * /var/qmail/bin/update_tmprsadh > /dev/null 2>&1 */30 * * * * /var/qmail/bin/simscanmk -g >/dev/null 2>&1 That are the lines I have. So cron, discarded.

It is very difficult to imagine that an operating system is at fault for the dissappearance of a particular group of files with some

That's what I think! Really. I've always been secure with Linux. I've never been hacked (till now, ehem...), I've never lost any piece of a file, including at moments when my SuSE indeed required a reinstallation, due to my continuing tests I do it; I've never deleted any file in a unconscious way (sorry, I don't know how to say it correctly)... SuSE was always really great. But this is incredible.

commonality. More likely a program or script that accesses to view or backup that group of files is responsible.

No. That's the reason why I never use scripts. Really. I'm not a programmer. I adore Linux only. So what?

To leave SUSE/openSUSE for this would be like leaving Europe because Ireland is raising taxes even though you live in Spain. (note: purely hypothetical conjecture with no inferences intended to the residents of Europe, Ireland or Spain. Everyone else has cause to complain, Randall?)

Hahaha.... yes, you're sharp. But politics and software must never be mixed. If I see is SuSE the guilty of this case, I assure you I will remove SuSE in my four computers at home, and I will install BSD or any Linux distro. Thanks for your continously answering to my question and very serious problem. Alejandro.

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Hudibras wrote:

No, no, don't take care of this. I have two daughters, and the have their own computer. They know mine is untouchable. I already knew you were asking me for this. So that problem, discarded.

given the nature of the files desapearing, I wonder. Don't ever think openSUSE is censoring your files, this is not possible, but people can access such file and cause problems (may be by accident)

And why not? I had all these disappeared files in different partitions, hard drives and even directories.

so what? how do you think any distribution can do such thing? 1 April joke? you said this happen several month ago? how can you trace that? how can you be so sure not to have deleted them yourself?

I have just said to another lister that it's a bit strange to see only certain types of files disappearing. And for instance, why disappear the links to adult material only?

this can only be done by a human... not a computer. What mean éadult" foir a computer

Ram? Why? Tellico was closed; Konqueror was closed; any multimedia app was closed! Why Ram? I don't understand.

please, be calm. how can you know when the file was gone?

Certain links in konqueror bookmarks have in common anything to Tellico databases, for example? Please, tell me.

date, reference in some index, size, any system (software) failure have to get some common thing. a failure is part of a programm and act like it, only hardware can be pure random (and rarely)

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access? all accessed recently? could them be all in ram when problem occure?

if only part of the ram is faulty, yes. anyway it's easy to test, do it!

Oh I assure you I missed several printings of my invoices when using Windows...

these are not files

indicates me that is also impossible, due to the unique kind of files that lose by themselves.

this is only human action, not computer...

Yes! Several gigs of jpg, video files, and all Tellico databases (twenty or thirty megas of my CD's), and of course links in my konqueror bookmarks. is this serious?

even a small loss is serious, but the problem is different given the size. a ram problem is smaller than the total computer ram (probably) your one may be hard drive problem, cable problem (between the motherboard and the drive), but definitively, if it's content related don't blame the computer. do you, by chance, use WIFI network? is it locked? jdd -- http://www.dodin.net Lucien Dodin, inventeur http://lucien.dodin.net/index.shtml -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

El dom, 01-04-2007 a las 21:19 +0100, peter nikolic escribió:

On Sunday 01 April 2007, Hudibras wrote:

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El dom, 01-04-2007 a las 08:53 -0400, Jerry Feldman escribió:

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Hi .

Hi.

i once had a similar thing and traced it back to a LimeWire setup the files that vanished were all mp3 files in a shared directory .

Indeed? I've never used LimeWire. Then files lost have nothing at all in common to LimeWire, aMule, Lopster or whatever else. It's true that, in the case of certain links in my konqueror bookmarks, it only happens when I change from Gnome to KDE, or viceversa. I don't know whether it's something important, but I have decided to tell you if this can helps. Thanks again and again to everybody. I don't want to be hasty for you. If someone knows anything about this, I would appreciate; if not, I will have to take an important decision.

I was looking for a song i had downloaded and bingo all gone several hundred files just a thought maybe something similar ..

Thank you, indeed. But this is not the case. Files are mp3, jpg, avi, mpg, wmv, html, only certain links in my konqueror bookmarks, and all my Tellico databases of music. Does it not sound to any backdoor or similar???? I'm very sorry to point it out, but ... Alejandro.

Pete .

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El dom, 01-04-2007 a las 22:51 +0200, jdd escribió:

Hudibras wrote:

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Tellico databases of music. Does it not sound to any backdoor or similar???? I'm very sorry to point it out, but ...

it's probably so. may be your computer was, time ago hit by a rootkit and now somebody can access it from external without you knowing nothing about it.

Hmmm... Certainly, I cannot certify at all, but believe me, it's nearly impossible that issue. But, though I've considered yet, it's the last test I'll do, and that's the reason why it will be the last one, because I don't think of it.

laptops are risky (is it one?)

No. It's my home machine, a Tower PC.

so, backup any _data_, launch a repair cd and search for a rootkit. there are utilities on the web, however I have no knowledge about them.

Yes. Though SuSE and any Linux always let me not to be so distressed to backup all (I think this is not good expressed, sorry), I think it would be a good thing to have into account. But, I swear, I never needed any backup: SuSE NEVER has failed to me. NEVER (excuse for the capital letters, but they're really needed here: I'm not crying, but not html mail does not make easy to remark words). Thanks, Alejandro.

jdd

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El dom, 01-04-2007 a las 21:19 +0100, peter nikolic escribió:

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On Sunday 01 April 2007, Hudibras wrote:

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El dom, 01-04-2007 a las 08:53 -0400, Jerry Feldman escribió:

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On Sun, 01 Apr 2007 11:20:35 +0200

Hudibras wrote: This has been very hard to follow, but there must be a rational reason for the unseen files. Are all these missing files in their own

On Sun, 2007-04-01 at 22:44 +0200, Hudibras wrote: directory? And is the entire directory "empty"? Perhaps you had a "pix" folder on its own partition, and a "music" directory on another partition...etc...etc. If so, and they now appear empty, could it be that they have failed to mount? That could explain if you now "cd" to the "mount point", and get an empty directory listing... If so, the files are probably still there and safe...but on an unmounted partition. I'm guessing these drives are all internal, but just in case...are these NFS mounted file systems? That also would show you an empty folder if the NFS mount failed. What does /etc/mtab have to tell you??? Just a thought from New Mexico... Tom -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Monday 02 April 2007 01:23, Hudibras wrote:

Tellico files, of course they were. The directory was /home/user/Documents/Tellico/Databases, the usual place, I think. But all jpg and videos were in another drive, separated in many directories. And my html file with links to several sites, into /home/user. But, what about only certain links to several sites in my konqueror bookmarks? How do you explain this issue? Not all the bookmarks, i refer only to four or five links. Don't you think is not incredible and embarrasing?

Incredible, yes. Embarrassing I don't know yet. Could you send us some system info please? Like which drives you have, partitions, mount points, and where you expected the data to be? The missing bookmarks almost makes me suspect that you have more than one linux installation in this system, or at least more than one home directory, and are switching between them -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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El mar, 03-04-2007 a las 16:17 -0400, Jerry Feldman escribió:

Let's regress a bit. Based on your responses, we know you are an experienced user. So, lets try to think of ways that files can be deleted or hidden.

Thank you. I said before I was not going to follow the thread, because of some responses of some people here. But, as you do answer, I will be not so unkind and not answer too. You're the first people that have into account and consider my ten years of linux experience. Thanks, again.

Is it possible that something might have changed the partition table,

¿"Something"? If it so, don't you think this is not then a very serious fail of my Linux system?

so now you are mounting the wrong partitions. I've done that to myself a number of times without thinking.

No. That's impossible. I reboot my machine... last time since nearly four or five months before. No. Partitions where take place these "ghostly removings" is the /home directory where I work every day. And sometimes I even change from one user to another. I have only experienced this with my usual account user, called "ale" (from my name Alejandro).

One of the best ways to track this down is: 1. Boot to single user with only root mounted. 2. foreach partition (use fdisk to list your partitions on all your drives). mount partition on /mnt cd /mnt find . -name <a missing file> cd umount /mnt This can be tedious, but it is one way to find out if your files are still there. Make sure the file you are looking for was definitely there previously. Also, by using this method, you can assure yourself that you did not inadvertently mount another file system over a directory.

But, I repeat again, do you consider a wrong partition mounting, for instance, that some links are the UNIQUE links removed from time to time from my Konqueror bookmarks? If so, what a nonsense partitioning I have!!!

Just one more question, did fsck report any errors, either before you lost your files or after you lost them.

Nop. Last time I reboot, in order to check entire file system, nothng at all... well, the usual message: "Hard drive has been mounted 266 days without checking..." or so, you know. It finished quite right. Thank you very much. Cheers, Alejandro. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

The Sunday 2007-04-01 at 22:44 +0200, Hudibras wrote:

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Thank you, indeed. But this is not the case. Files are mp3, jpg, avi, mpg, wmv, html, only certain links in my konqueror bookmarks, and all my Tellico databases of music. Does it not sound to any backdoor or similar???? I'm very sorry to point it out, but ...

Alas, you've pointed nothing out except your own cluelessness as to what went wrong. Now kindly knock it off with the _terrifying_ ultimatums and bugger off to your self professed BSD nirvana. You've been indulged long enough. Craig -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

El lun, 02-04-2007 a las 02:20 +0200, Carlos E. R. escribió:

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Thank you, indeed. But this is not the case. Files are mp3, jpg, avi, mpg, wmv, html, only certain links in my konqueror bookmarks, and all my Tellico databases of music. Does it not sound to any backdoor or similar???? I'm very sorry to point it out, but ...

Hi, Carlos. I would like to express myself in Spanish, so that my problem would be better explained, because my English is bad. Well, said this, I go there.

I have no idea what a "Tellico databases" is.

Tellico is an application for KDE managing CD or books, in a "database way". I assure you it's really a pity for me something like this occurs.

However, I'm certain there is no backdoor. You can not blame SuSE of that.

I don't say there is a backdoor. I asked myself if something like this would have to be appreciated, in order to get an logical explanation. I adore SuSE (I think you know) and I assure you I have thought this over, because I suspected this would become a unwanted issue (sorry, I cannot remember the word). But seen some comments here, I'm going to stop this flame (hey, this is the word, isn't it?) and this mail will be the last one about it. I wanted to say hello to you. That's all.

If there is a single program accessing all those files, that one would be suspect. I would also suspect human action: error or intentional, local or remote. Backdoor? No.

I've already said I'm not busy completely asleep and doing deletions on my hard drive. It's unnatural and stupid! But If all of you prefer thinking like this, I have said I stop this thread here.

Me, I have lost whole partitions. Almost a full 130 GiB hard disk trashed. Full days working on recovery. Do I blame Suse? I was using filesystems prepared by them, and they failed to protect my data. Do I blame Suse? Certainly not.

Yes, I lost a hard disk, after a power cut. I tried to recover it, but I couldn't. That's all of my problems with data loss with Linux since ten years ago. It happened five months ago. And it was my server hard drive!

What proof do you have that SuSE is to blame? Only that you can not find out what happened, so you blame SuSE.

No. I don't have any proof at all, and, I would say more, I don't want to have them, because, I repeat, I adore SuSE and Linux. If I would have prooves (or proofs? sorry!) it would hurt me, indeed. Pleased to find you out here again, and thank you all. Alejandro.

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On Mon, 2 Apr 2007 04:19:31 +0200 (CEST) "Carlos E. R." wrote:

There are many people here for which English is not the first language (idioma nativo), me included and we are used to "fuzzy" English, so 99% of people here are very tolerant with _that_ ;-) And 100% should be. We want to be inclusive. It is important that we all try to help you and others solve problems. -- Jerry Feldman Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9

On Sunday 01 April 2007 19:46, John Andersen wrote:

On Sunday 01 April 2007, Hudibras wrote:

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So isn't there anybody here experienced a lost of files in a mysterious way? Is there ghosts in SuSE now?

If these mailing lists were full of such complaints you would have heard about it long before now, and SuSE would have a very bad name.

Sadly, until evidence to the contrary is offered I am forced to believe the problem is between the chair and the keyboard.

You are absolutely right. Even if program fails it the same problem ;-) BTW, isn't today April the first. -- Regards, Rajko. http://en.opensuse.org/Portal -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Sunday 01 April 2007 20:31, Hudibras wrote:

El dom, 01-04-2007 a las 20:06 -0500, Rajko M. escribió: ... I swear. I repeat, I swear on anything you want that I haven't begun this thread because today (well, yesterday in Spain) is April's Fool. In Spain that special and joking day is 28th December, not 1st April.

I have not to add nothing else.

Cheers and thank you. Alejandro.

Than help us not to look in crystal ball guessing all possible and impossible reasons for your data loss. fdisk -l mount For the serious restart. And besides why is incomprehensible that someone wanted to hack and hacked your friends server considering his bussines. If you used browser to access his web page and later looked your files, it could be that. Recently was published that some guy wrote Java script can run as long as browser is opened spying on user surfing habits and reporting that home. What else similar Java scripts can do? -- Regards, Rajko. http://en.opensuse.org/Portal -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org