I'm on the CrossOver mailing list because I bought the first plugin (which works great with SuSE)..I've seen about a 60/40 split on it working..60 being it works. If you read the Codeweavers website you will see that it works with Office 97/2k only for now. You all can get on the CrossOver mailing list at the website. It's maybe 10% of the traffic of the SLE and it has some great information on it. * Luis Oliveira (lpoliveira@mail.telepac.pt) [020328 14:40]: -> ->Hi, -> ->And, does it run with Office XP Professional ? -> -=Ben --=====-----=====-- mailto:ben@whack.org --=====-- "I've never been quarantined. But the more I look around the more I think it might not be a bad thing." -JC --=====-----=====--

* John Scott (fyrbrds@netscape.net) [020328 17:50]: -> -> ->As far as Crossover Office: I'll wait until there are more supported ->apps. When it can do quicken and Easy CD Creator, buying it will be a ->no-brainer for me. I agree with the Quicken thing..but I'm not sure why you can use native CD burning tools in Linux. When I worked at SuSE we had a burning station. It had an external box with 6 CDR's in it and a CDR in the machine itself. It worked perfectly..never had an issue copying anything. I'm just curious...cause there are plenty of GUI tools for this. Do none of them do what you need..is there some strange thing that Easy CD creator does that these do not? -=Ben --=====-----=====-- mailto:ben@whack.org --=====-- "I've never been quarantined. But the more I look around the more I think it might not be a bad thing." -JC --=====-----=====--

* Paul Benjamin (paulben@tds.net) [020328 20:45]: ->On Thu, 28 Mar 2002 20:03:13 -0800, Ben Rosenberg ->wrote: -> ->>I agree with the Quicken thing..but I'm not sure why you can use native ->>CD burning tools in Linux. When I worked at SuSE we had a burning ->>station. It had an external box with 6 CDR's in it and a CDR in the ->>machine itself. It worked perfectly..never had an issue copying ->>anything. I'm just curious...cause there are plenty of GUI tools for ->>this. Do none of them do what you need..is there some strange thing that ->>Easy CD creator does that these do not? -> ->There isn't anything stopping you from writing it. Nobody wants to do ->the dirty grubby work to recreate the CLI tools in a native GUI app. ->The source code is there, I am sure that you have more skill as a ->programmer than I do. What on God's frelling green earth are you bloody talking about. Are you stupid? I asked WHY THE PERSON COULDN'T USE LINUX CD BURNING SOFTWARE? Is that plain enough? It was a question..because of the statement about the Windows Easy CD Creator and CrossOver. I didn't say anything about an end user creating bloody anything. Xcdroast already exists..among other apps. You know ..sometimes I really wonder why I bother staying on this list when you frigging newbies know everything and know just how to piss someone off with your condescending bullshit attitude. -=Ben --=====-----=====-- mailto:ben@whack.org --=====-- "I've never been quarantined. But the more I look around the more I think it might not be a bad thing." -JC --=====-----=====--

What on God's frelling green earth are you bloody talking about. Are you stupid? I asked WHY THE PERSON COULDN'T USE LINUX CD BURNING SOFTWARE? Is that plain enough? It was a question..because of the statement about the Windows Easy CD Creator and CrossOver. I didn't say anything about an end user creating bloody anything. Xcdroast already exists..among other apps.

Well at least he thinks you can program :). But why on earth people want all these apps that exist well in Linux I have no idea. Really Crossover office is only going to be good for those who just have to have Word et al running. Perhaps getting Tax cut etc would be good...But lets no go overboard. Next thing people will want is Solitaire from Windows (and don't bother saying you got that to run, yes you the person who is about to try to be a smart ass).

You know ..sometimes I really wonder why I bother staying on this list when you frigging newbies know everything and know just how to piss someone off with your condescending bullshit attitude.

I usually hit delete with those, but perhaps he made that error and did not read what you actually wrote. Although when its aimed like that its hard not to point out what he missed. Hope that made sense...

-=Ben

Outta here, gone beyond tired...This whole e-mail could be in Swahili (or Canadian) for all I know.... Matt

3) a bunch of users who cannot find minesweeper anymore ;)

I had this exact problem a few years ago with Solitaire- even deleting the application didn't make any difference, they just complained !! I had a friend write a small VB app that was called SOL.EXE - it picked up the user's network login ID and displayed a message "<username>, you are attempting to play an unauthorised game during work time. This has been logged for management purposes". Complete with a times (set to 30 seconds), and it virtually hung the machine (you couldn't get rid of it for those 30 seconds...:-) Problem instantly solved !!

gerhard@jasongeo.com wrote:

* Matthew Johnson (Thu, Mar 28, 2002 at 10:58:50PM -0800)

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Which is exactly their target audience.

Hell if this works well, and I can use X-over office to get rid of a bunch of windows machines in the office and replace them with Linux boxes I have 1) already recouped my (minimal) investment in the Xover office suite 2) a more stable environment for some of my users 3) a bunch of users who cannot find minesweeper anymore ;)

YEA!! That is EXACTLY my point all along. This will bridge the gap. It will (or I should say could) remove the last hurtle most people face when trying to get rid of Windows altogether. If you look at it like that, it can't be bad.

Gerhard, <@jasongeo.com> == The Acoustic Motorbiker ==

John

* Paul Benjamin (Fri, Mar 29, 2002 at 06:53:01AM -0600)

I am sorry I didn't mean to flame you. I can't help but to see this whole Windows crossover plug-ins is the wrong way to go. OS/2 tried this and IBM could not make it work. Now IBM is backing Linux and others are bound and determined to repeat their mistake.

If you want to run Quicken, CD Creator, or in my case AutoCAD then run Windows. Linux doesn't have to be the only way. What I came to Linux for is to learn how to program and maybe someday I will make it. That is Linux strength not as a cheaper Windows.

Im doing tech support for a worldwide company. You have no idea (or maybe you have) what a complete and utter PITA it can be trying to solve problems windows users are having. 95% of the time the windows users are using one office app or another (Word,Excel,Powerpoint and Outlook). If I could get a portion of those windows users to switch linux and run the Office apps under linux they gain stability, and I gain ease of support. However at this point in time the crossover plugin does not (yet) offer all the functionality I need /we need to get there. The other half of the problem is that one of our offices is mostly running large geoscientific jobs on unix boxes (Some suns, mostly linux) and they need a way to generate Office documents. StarOffice/OpenOffice falls short in the interexchangebility scale. Abiword lacks functionality and vmware/win4lin require kernel patches and are too slow. I really hate to have to setup a Windows Terminal Server (with all the associated headaches) there, but it is one area we are seriously looking into. (then the only thing left to sole is find someway for them to do their tax returns under Unix ;0) ) Kind regards, -- Gerhard den Hollander Phone :+31-10.280.1515 Global IT Support manager Direct:+31-10.280.1539 Jason Geosystems BV Fax :+31-10.280.1511 (When calling please note: we are in GMT+1) gdenhollander@jasongeo.com POBox 1573 visit us at http://www.jasongeo.com 3000 BN Rotterdam JASON.......#1 in Reservoir Characterization The Netherlands This e-mail and any attachment is/are intended solely for the named addressee(s) and may contain information that is confidential and privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, we request that you do not disseminate, forward, distribute or copy this e-mail message. If you have received this e-mail message in error, please notify us immediately by telephone and destroy the original message.

ben@whack.org wrote:

* Paul Benjamin (paulben@tds.net) [020328 20:45]: ->On Thu, 28 Mar 2002 20:03:13 -0800, Ben Rosenberg ->wrote: -> ->>I agree with the Quicken thing..but I'm not sure why you can use native ->>CD burning tools in Linux. When I worked at SuSE we had a burning ->>station. It had an external box with 6 CDR's in it and a CDR in the ->>machine itself. It worked perfectly..never had an issue copying ->>anything. I'm just curious...cause there are plenty of GUI tools for ->>this. Do none of them do what you need..is there some strange thing that ->>Easy CD creator does that these do not? -> ->There isn't anything stopping you from writing it. Nobody wants to do ->the dirty grubby work to recreate the CLI tools in a native GUI app. ->The source code is there, I am sure that you have more skill as a ->programmer than I do.

What on God's frelling green earth are you bloody talking about. Are you stupid? I asked WHY THE PERSON COULDN'T USE LINUX CD BURNING SOFTWARE? Is that plain enough? It was a question..because of the statement about the Windows Easy CD Creator and CrossOver. I didn't say anything about an end user creating bloody anything. Xcdroast already exists..among other apps.

You know ..sometimes I really wonder why I bother staying on this list when you frigging newbies know everything and know just how to piss someone off with your condescending bullshit attitude.

-=Ben

Woah, easy. You are right Ben, that statement was a bit out of left field. You are also right that there are native tools. I only wanted to point out that some specific tools lag their windows counterparts enough to make it worth it to dual boot for the moment. And crossover can help bridge the gap until better native tools are built. Your response was perfectly reasonable so I don't know how it got you attacked. Let's all get up and go have a beer right now. :) John

ben@whack.org wrote:

* John Scott (fyrbrds@netscape.net) [020328 17:50]: -> -> ->As far as Crossover Office: I'll wait until there are more supported ->apps. When it can do quicken and Easy CD Creator, buying it will be a ->no-brainer for me.

I agree with the Quicken thing..but I'm not sure why you can use native CD burning tools in Linux. When I worked at SuSE we had a burning station. It had an external box with 6 CDR's in it and a CDR in the machine itself. It worked perfectly..never had an issue copying anything. I'm just curious...cause there are plenty of GUI tools for this. Do none of them do what you need..is there some strange thing that Easy CD creator does that these do not?

-=Ben

Well, I can get the functionality I need using various linux packages but none of them are as comprehensive as adaptec's Easy CD Creator. Adaptec ECC is very intuitive. All the functions you need are self explanatory. The linux tools have a lot of quirks. To date I have never burned a CD in linux simply because they are such a pain to configure and use. The last time I tried, I spent a half hour getting the files I wanted burned in the layout window in Xcdroast. When I clicked record the program imploded. I'm sure I could have made it work eventually as I have with other hurtles like this, but I've never been in the mood. Some things just shouldn't be difficult. Fortunately it's not something I do a *whole* lot. It's frequent enough however that I'd like to have a *good* tool so I don't have to dual boot. In other words: though the linux tools are functional, Easy CD Creator towers above them SO high that it's not worth it to burn them in linux for now. I know others will disagree, but that's only speaking for me.

* Chad Whitten (Fri, Mar 29, 2002 at 07:55:05AM -0600)

i installed the cross-over plugin for office yesterday on suse 7.3 and then installed office 2k. both went flawlessly. after about 15 minutes, i could open word, excel, powerpoint, outlook (even tried the hahaha@sexyfun.net virus and it worked) and internet explorer.

Can you get your excel spreadsheets to print on a single page ?

i for one would like to see ms office done away with

Now that would be an occasion to open up those bottles of champagne I have lying around and get totally shitfaced ... However, as bad as office is, I don;t think there is anything out there that offers the same functionality (OpenOffice maybe ) Currently listening to: Golden Earing - Radar Love Gerhard, <@jasongeo.com> == The Acoustic Motorbiker == -- __O Standing above the crowd, he had a voice so strong and loud =`\<, we'll miss him (=)/(=) Ranting and pointing his finger, At everything but his heart we'll miss him

A newbie humbly solicits wisdom. My previously working install of SuSE 7.3 will no longer boot into a GUI (KDE, Gnome, Failsafe, or other). When the system is booting, I notice a long pause at "Starting DHCP". X Server appears to load fine, and the normal sign-in window appears. When I attempt to log into KDE, the process begins and then fails, returning a window with following message: "There was an error setting up inter-process communication for KDE. The message returned by the system was: Could not read network connector list /home/pip/.DCOPserver-linux-:0 Please check that the "dcopserver" program is running!" Any suggestions on what I can do to fix this? Thanks, Mike "Go ahead and abuse me" Reith Fresno, CA, USA