[opensuse] 11.4 FireFox 8.0 - how to turn OFF select of html format for select buffer -- damnit!
Guys, I HATE the fact that the new browsers and office suites try to think for you but end up totally screwing up functionality. Today with documents/spreadsheets being created from multiple web-based sources, every time I go to copy something from the web and then paste it into a document, even with the select/middle-mouse (select buffer), it pastes the damn source format of the web page totally borking the document I'm working on. Libre office is the absolute worst about this, OO a bit better, but still plagued by it, now firefox is basically useless as a source for document creation. In firefox, if I select anything and then middle-mouse paste using the select buffer, the damn formatting comes along too. How in the heck do I tell it to stop this crap? I'm working on a OO spreadsheet and I'm trying to select/paste model numbers into a column with a spreadsheet font of Sans 9. There is NO way I can find to select/paste into the spreadsheet from firefox without the format being screwed up. I don't want a 64 pt. red font in my spreadsheet. If I use the copy buffer, then I can select the text, use ctrl+c and then use ctrl+shift+v and choose 'unformatted text', but so "the hell much" for efficiency. That requires a 'select' and then an additional ctrl+c to copy, then a ctrl+shift+v to bring up the 'paste special dialog' and then a select of 'unformatted text' just to paste WHAT USED TO BE a simple efficient 'select/middle-mouse' (done). What gives? Surely the developers are not so stupid as to believe every user wants to paste size 64 red text into a spreadsheet and not even leave a simple way to disable the format copy so you can still use the select buffer to get work done. Guys, I hope I'm wrong here, and there is still a simple way to tell FF I don't want the html format, but I need help finding it. I've already bugged Libre and talked with the ApacheOO devs about this issue, but that does me no good today. What is the solution here? I should NOT have to go through 'select', 'ctrl+c', 'ctrl+shift+v', select of 'unformatted text' (or select/middle-mouse paste into kwrite and then select-again/middle-mouse-paste-again) just to paste into a spreadsheet without getting size 64 red text. All of this *utterly destroys* the elegant select/middle-mouse paste efficiency that Linux developers worked so hard to brilliantly create. NEW FEATURES ARE BUGS IF THERE IS NO WAY TO TURN THEM OFF! How do I fix this problem?? </rant> -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 11/24/2011 04:26 PM, David C. Rankin pecked at the keyboard and wrote:
Guys,
I HATE the fact that the new browsers and office suites try to think for you but end up totally screwing up functionality. Today with documents/spreadsheets being created from multiple web-based sources, every time I go to copy something from the web and then paste it into a document, even with the select/middle-mouse (select buffer), it pastes the damn source format of the web page totally borking the document I'm working on. Libre office is the absolute worst about this, OO a bit better, but still plagued by it, now firefox is basically useless as a source for document creation.
In firefox, if I select anything and then middle-mouse paste using the select buffer, the damn formatting comes along too. How in the heck do I tell it to stop this crap? <snip> </rant>
When pasting data use "Insert Special" under the "Edit" pull-down where you can paste the buffer unformatted. -- Ken Schneider SuSe since Version 5.2, June 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 11/24/2011 04:55 PM, Ken Schneider - openSUSE wrote:
When pasting data use "Insert Special" under the "Edit" pull-down where you can paste the buffer unformatted.
Ken,
On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 06:54, David C. Rankin
On 11/24/2011 04:55 PM, Ken Schneider - openSUSE wrote:
When pasting data use "Insert Special" under the "Edit" pull-down where you can paste the buffer unformatted.
Ken,
Edit -> Paste Special is the same as 'ctrl+shift+v' in the original post, then still have a second operation to choose 'unformatted text'. That completely destroys the efficiency of the select buffer. It adds 3 more steps where NONE were required before. Using the select buffer, eliminates having to use the copy buffer. I simply want to use the select buffer without it being polluted with html format tags. Think about it. If you have 150 items to paste, then it goes like this.
(1) Using the traditional select buffer middle mouse paste, the steps are:
(a) select the text, it's placed in 'select buffer' automatically; (b) click middle-mouse to 'position' & 'paste' and your done.
(2) Using the 'paste special' unformatted text option it is:
(a) select the text, it's still placed in 'select buffer' but *unused*; (b) ctrl+c -or- rt-click choose copy -or- edit menu -> copy, to place in 'copy buffer' (or clipboard); (c) left click to position for paste; then next (d) ctrl+shift+v -or- 'edit menu' -> 'paste special' to activate paste special dialog; then (e) choose 'unformatted text' from the dialog to paste from copy buffer.
I haven't yet discovered a nice way to make Middle-Click paste only unformatted text, but... there is a default keyboard shortcut for Paste Unformatted in LibreOffice/OpenOffice.... Ctrl+Alt+Shift+V Yup, all 4 keys... if you manage this feat with one hand, you've got a double joint somewhere :-) You can change the default behavior of the usual paste function in LibreOffice/OpenOffice though: - Go to Tools > Customise > Keyboard - Scroll to the Ctrl + V shortcut key and select it, - In Category, select Edit, and in Function select Paste Unformatted Text. - Click Modify You should now have the default Ctrl+V behavior you (and pretty much the rest of the planet) expect and want. Honestly, I don't think I've met anyone who wants to paste formatted text... Unformatted is the expectation every single time. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Yup, all 4 keys... if you manage this feat with one hand, you've got a double joint somewhere :-) You can change the default behavior of the usual paste function in LibreOffice/OpenOffice though:
- Go to Tools> Customise> Keyboard - Scroll to the Ctrl + V shortcut key and select it, - In Category, select Edit, and in Function select Paste Unformatted Text. - Click Modify
You should now have the default Ctrl+V behavior you (and pretty much the rest of the planet) expect and want.
Honestly, I don't think I've met anyone who wants to paste formatted text... Unformatted is the expectation every single time.
C. Hi,
if you do so, what happens then if you want to copy some formatted text from another OOo/LO Document? Will you have to apply formats again? Karl -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 08:38, Karl Sinn
Yup, all 4 keys... if you manage this feat with one hand, you've got a
double joint somewhere :-) You can change the default behavior of the usual paste function in LibreOffice/OpenOffice though:
- Go to Tools> Customise> Keyboard - Scroll to the Ctrl + V shortcut key and select it, - In Category, select Edit, and in Function select Paste Unformatted Text. - Click Modify
You should now have the default Ctrl+V behavior you (and pretty much the rest of the planet) expect and want.
Honestly, I don't think I've met anyone who wants to paste formatted text... Unformatted is the expectation every single time.
C.
Hi,
if you do so, what happens then if you want to copy some formatted text from another OOo/LO Document? Will you have to apply formats again?
Yes. If you're using LO/OOo "correctly" with Styles it's usually less hassle to reapply formats than to try and clean up the mess it creates with the default behavior - assuming you're pasting from external sources like a web browser to LO/OOo. Using these steps outlined above, your pasted text will only inherit whatever you've defined the Default style to be. If you expect to be copy/pasting between LO/OOo docs a lot and want to keep the formatting applied from one doc to the next, then simply assign the Paste Unformatted text to a key combination you like, or leave it as is with the default 4 key combination Ctrl+Alt+Shift+V C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 11/24/2011 09:54 PM, David C. Rankin wrote:
Thanks for the thoughts Ken (and everyone), I hope you had a great Thanksgiving. If anybody else has any thoughts on how to prevent the html tags/DOM attributes/whatever you want to call them from being picked up by the select buffer, I would welcome your thoughts.
Hi David, I don't have a solution, but this has bugged me too. In my case I frequently cut/paste long urls to http://tinyurl.com. I then cut the tiny url into Thunderbird, but the cut url is <b>bold</b> on the tinyurl.com web page and it becomes bold in the Tbird write window too. This is bad because many of my customers live in a world where html encoded emails are forbidden, so my tinyurl becomes a string of giborish. The work-around is to paste into a shell, then cut/paste into TB again. This seems to be a Firefox issue, I hope there's an about:config option to turn it off! Regards, Lew -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
David C. Rankin wrote:
Guys,
I HATE the fact that the new browsers and office suites try to think for you but end up totally screwing up functionality. Today with documents/spreadsheets being created from multiple web-based sources, every time I go to copy something from the web and then paste it into a document, even with the select/middle-mouse (select buffer), it pastes the damn source format of the web page totally borking the document I'm working on. Libre office is the absolute worst about this, OO a bit better, but still plagued by it, now firefox is basically useless as a source for document creation.
In firefox, if I select anything and then middle-mouse paste using the select buffer, the damn formatting comes along too. How in the heck do I tell it to stop this crap?
I paste it into office, then copy it, Ctrl-Z, then reinsert with paste special.
If I use the copy buffer, then I can select the text, use ctrl+c and then use ctrl+shift+v and choose 'unformatted text', but so "the hell much" for efficiency.
I guess I don't do it often enough to worry much about the latter.
That requires a 'select' and then an additional ctrl+c to copy, then a ctrl+shift+v to bring up the 'paste special dialog' and then a select of 'unformatted text' just to paste WHAT USED TO BE a simple efficient 'select/middle-mouse' (done).
What gives? Surely the developers are not so stupid as to believe every user wants to paste size 64 red text into a spreadsheet and not even leave a simple way to disable the format copy so you can still use the select buffer to get work done.
IIRC, it's not exactly new - I'm using FF 7.0 and I haven't noticed any such change in behaviour. Sorry I can't really answer your question. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (2.7°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 07:56:47 David C. Rankin wrote:
[...] Guys, I hope I'm wrong here, and there is still a simple way to tell FF I don't want the html format, but I need help finding it. I've already bugged Libre and talked with the ApacheOO devs about this issue, but that does me no good today.
What is the solution here? I should NOT have to go through 'select',
Use google chrome. I just tested select+paste side-by-side with FF and Chrome - FF gives formatted text (which in this case is what I wanted) and Chrome dropped the formatting and pasted as plain text. BTW, thanks for the tip, David. I didn't know about this one before. All those years having a middle-mouse button and no real use for it. :-) -- =================================================== Rodney Baker VK5ZTV rodney.baker@iinet.net.au =================================================== -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2011/11/24 15:26 (GMT-0600) David C. Rankin composed:
What is the solution here?
Try extension "Copy Plain Text". -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Thu, 2011-11-24 at 15:26 -0600, David C. Rankin wrote:
I HATE the fact that the new browsers and office suites try to think for you but end up totally screwing up functionality. Today with documents/spreadsheets being created from multiple web-based sources, every time I go to copy something [snip] Guys, I hope I'm wrong here, and there is still a simple way to tell FF I don't want the html format, but I need help finding it. I've already bugged Libre and talked with the ApacheOO devs about this issue, but that does me no good today. What is the solution here? I should NOT have to go through 'select', 'ctrl+c', 'ctrl+shift+v', select of 'unformatted text'
Ctrl-Alt-Shift-V [paste plain text] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
* David C. Rankin
I HATE the fact that the new browsers and office suites try to think for you but end up totally screwing up functionality. Today with documents/spreadsheets being created from multiple web-based sources, every time I go to copy something from the web and then paste it into a document, even with the select/middle-mouse (select buffer), it pastes the damn source format of the web page totally borking the document I'm working on. Libre office is the absolute worst about this, OO a bit better, but still plagued by it, now firefox is basically useless as a source for document creation.
In firefox, if I select anything and then middle-mouse paste using the select buffer, the damn formatting comes along too. How in the heck do I tell it to stop this crap? I'm working on a OO spreadsheet and I'm trying to select/paste model numbers into a column with a spreadsheet font of Sans 9. There is NO way I can find to select/paste into the spreadsheet from firefox without the format being screwed up. I don't want a 64 pt. red font in my spreadsheet.
I can can select in firefox by dragging the mouse and paste in oocalc with <ctrl><v> or <right-click> and paste from drop-down menu and get only text. <center-mouse-button> pastes html-formatted text 12.1 x86_64 MozillaFirefox-7.0.1-2.1.2.x86_64 libreoffice-3.4.2.6-9.12.x86_64 note: same action observed in 11.4 for last *several* versions of firefox. note2: in 12.1 this action is not observed in seamonkey or chromium completely unnecessary and derogatory comment>
Surely the developers are not so stupid as to believe every user wants to paste size 64 red text into a spreadsheet and not even leave a simple way to disable the format copy so you can still use the select buffer to get work done.
</rant> no, abusive comment. You can rant w/o being abusive.
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On 11/25/2011 02:59 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
completely unnecessary and derogatory comment>
Surely the developers are not so stupid as to believe every user wants to paste size 64 red text into a spreadsheet and not even leave a simple way to disable the format copy so you can still use the select buffer to get work done.
</rant> no, abusive comment. You can rant w/o being abusive.
Agreed, I haven't been this 'disappointed' about a developer 'issue' since kde4 defaulted to saving .jpeg instead of .jpg and would overwrite the user's .jpg extension with no way to turn that off :) It just irks me that this stuff gets put in the code without any thought to the touchstone 'efficiency' and 'configurability' Linux was built on. If you are going to put it in and force everybody to use it by default, for goodness sakes, put an option in to turn it off. Yes, I know this isn't 'brand new' and that it probably has been there for more than a year+, as I've said. For the past year or so I've just had several things at a time to copy/paste into OO or LO from FF, so I've just dealt with the cumbersome 'paste special' dialog. But this week, dealing with the need for 100+ copy operations, it just hit me how ridiculous the default behavior is and the literal Millions and Millions of wasted keystrokes and clicks (daily) required worldwide to deal with this nonsense. Thanks to all for the ctrl+alt+shift+v shortcut, that is helpful, but even then it still adds the two steps of (a) ctrl+c and (b) ctrl+alt+shift+v to the operation, but it does eliminate having to deal with the 'paste special' dialog. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
* David C. Rankin
Thanks to all for the ctrl+alt+shift+v shortcut, that is helpful, but even then it still adds the two steps of (a) ctrl+c and (b) ctrl+alt+shift+v to the operation, but it does eliminate having to deal with the 'paste special' dialog.
just mouse-select an area of text, <right-click> in oowriter/oocalc/oo.... where you want it pasted and select "paste" just *one* extra step or, don't use firefox. Chromium and seamonkey both will copy text the older style, direct text. Konqueror and rekong follow firefox.... -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 11/25/2011 07:31 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
or, don't use firefox. Chromium and seamonkey both will copy text the older style, direct text. Konqueror and rekong follow firefox....
Just installed google-chrome on 11.4. It is definitely the way to go for using the select buffer with OO or LO. However, the lack of toolbar customization leaves chrome wanting for some more work.... -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 11/26/2011 10:05 PM, David C. Rankin pecked at the keyboard and wrote:
On 11/25/2011 07:31 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
or, don't use firefox. Chromium and seamonkey both will copy text the older style, direct text. Konqueror and rekong follow firefox....
Just installed google-chrome on 11.4. It is definitely the way to go for using the select buffer with OO or LO. However, the lack of toolbar customization leaves chrome wanting for some more work....
It kinda grows on you. Click on the "wrench" to the right of the url bar. Plus there are a huge number of addons and programs. FYI. to bookmark a site click on the "star" at the end of the url bar. -- Ken Schneider SuSe since Version 5.2, June 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 11/27/2011 06:38 AM, Ken Schneider - openSUSE wrote:
On 11/26/2011 10:05 PM, David C. Rankin pecked at the keyboard and wrote:
On 11/25/2011 07:31 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
or, don't use firefox. Chromium and seamonkey both will copy text the older style, direct text. Konqueror and rekong follow firefox....
Just installed google-chrome on 11.4. It is definitely the way to go for using the select buffer with OO or LO. However, the lack of toolbar customization leaves chrome wanting for some more work....
It kinda grows on you. Click on the "wrench" to the right of the url bar. Plus there are a huge number of addons and programs. FYI. to bookmark a site click on the "star" at the end of the url bar.
Thanks Ken, I'm still trying to figure out how I put a "Bookmark" button next to the "Home" button. I can't stand "URL bars" with the folders splashed all the way across the top of the window. I just want one button that opens one folder next to the "Home" button. Any way to do that? Other than that, I like chrome, I'm just real leery about all the "sign in to your 'xyz' account" stuff. I just disabled all of that. I just want a browser, not something that tries to track and store my personal data on some other server... -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
* David C. Rankin
On 11/25/2011 07:31 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
or, don't use firefox. Chromium and seamonkey both will copy text the older style, direct text. Konqueror and rekong follow firefox....
Just installed google-chrome on 11.4. It is definitely the way to go for using the select buffer with OO or LO. However, the lack of toolbar customization leaves chrome wanting for some more work....
you should use the openSUSE repo for "chromium" rather than google's chrome as there are some rather disconcerting cron jobs forcing updates, etc, installed by google. Google is your friend, "to a point!". and you can make changes to the toolbar, see the wrench/spanner on the right. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 11/27/2011 08:33 AM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
you should use the openSUSE repo for "chromium" rather than google's chrome as there are some rather disconcerting cron jobs forcing updates, etc, installed by google. Google is your friend, "to a point!".
and you can make changes to the toolbar, see the wrench/spanner on the right.
+1 & Done, I grabbed chromium from repositories/openSUSE:/11.4:/Contrib/standard/. Currently I have chromium-17.0.945.0-2.1.x86_64/. I immediately went though all option and disabled 'everything' that tried to communicate with google behind my back. There was some pretty crooked looking stuff in the config descriptions... With an 82 Meg install side, I knew there would be a good dose of "Big Brother" included inside :) -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 11/24/2011 03:26 PM, David C. Rankin wrote:
Guys,
<snip>
All of this *utterly destroys* the elegant select/middle-mouse paste efficiency that Linux developers worked so hard to brilliantly create. NEW FEATURES ARE BUGS IF THERE IS NO WAY TO TURN THEM OFF! How do I fix this problem??
</rant>
Mozilla Bug: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=705560 -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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