Curtis Rey wrote:

Good idea Matt. It should emphasize the lost market share that comes from excluding a community of users - make um think with their wallet. Extra traffic is extra traffice and this is especially true for those that still used ad based revenues. And some stats (that don't get outdated=keep um current) about the growth of the market in the Linux community.

Just a thought. Curtis

-----Original Message----- From: Matthew [mailto:matthew@psychohorse.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 2305 To: suse-linux-e@suse.com Subject: [SLE] New domain just registered for.....plz read

Hi everyone,

I want to make a bigger announcement on the web, but thought I'd let you know first.

Just put in a registration request for www.penguinfriendly.org. I just got totally sick of websites that only work for MSIE or Windows OS. So I want this to be a site that lists sites which either work under Linux's web browsers, or do not work at all and FAQ's on how to approach web admins to politely suggest that there site does not work in Linux.

I'll also need Tux image/banner people can place on websites that work with Linux if they so wish.

I very sincerely think that this is a great idea and something we need, especially against the tide of embraced and extended sites such as www.classicfm.co.uk, or www.shockwave.com. Yes this is very much an advocacy site.

If anyone has any idea what else should go onto this site please let me know. Hopefully I will be able to sort out where its going to be hosted in awhile.

Matt

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Thanks for the input (I saw and read your input too Aaron! I was just sick of this crap) :-). This is the only thing that stopped Geeko eating me hehe. Seriously though, I think this is very much needed and I am glad to not be the only one that is getting fed. But instead of getting fed up and heading back to the easy pastures of Windows, where its secure..Secure in losing your money and having all your decisions taken for you! I was thinking of an award scheme for those sites that display/work well across all the Linux browers...Although with Lynx and w3m, how do you define well :-). Maybe Bronze, Silver and Gold Penguin Friendly Tux's? To get Gold all browsers under Linux work? However, the main emphasis will be advocacy... The music I am listening too is appropriate: Tchaikovsky's 1812 Overture.... Matt

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On May 30, 2001 03:50 am, Alan Lenton wrote:

Nice idea. One useful thing would be a 'testing' service. A lot of people don't use linux on the desktop, and so have no means of checking themselves. (My own company falls into this category, we use linux servers, but not the desktop yet)

I'm sure there are people around who would like to ask for their site to be checked by someone with linux browsers so they could make any changes necessary.

I think that's a great idea. I'd like to see a user system. Companies can add their sites to the database and users can review them with their browser of choice. Users can get points (not actually worth anything) for providing good reviews of new sites in the database. The companies would be likely to add their sites as they're getting that much extra traffic on their sites. An RDF interface would be neat, too. I read Slashdot's main page, then go to the boxes I configured. Going directly to various sites is something I rarely do. If you're really ambitious (I would help out with all of this, if you wanted, BTW) you could have an XMLRPC site-query system. Then you can embed the functionality into a browser, say Konqueror. If I'm having trouble with a site, I can select a menu option that brings up info on that site regarding compatibility, workarounds for specific problems, etc. Or how about a glowing "supported" icon. Kind of a mood ring for browsers that glows brighter and more colourful as you're browsing better sites. That would tie in to the gold, silver, bronze thing. - -- James Oakley Engineering - SolutionInc Ltd. joakley@solutioninc.com http://www.solutioninc.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7FQII+FOexA3koIgRAgtZAJ4p4lH27tA7MQBXScPsq2whw3PL6QCfTuM0 joiBArzUJnSAq9TlyoZe3Do= =KgmZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

On Wed, 30 May 2001, James Oakley wrote:

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On May 30, 2001 03:50 am, Alan Lenton wrote:

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Nice idea. One useful thing would be a 'testing' service. A lot of people don't use linux on the desktop, and so have no means of checking themselves. (My own company falls into this category, we use linux servers, but not the desktop yet)

I'm sure there are people around who would like to ask for their site to be checked by someone with linux browsers so they could make any changes necessary.

I think that's a great idea. I'd like to see a user system. Companies can add their sites to the database and users can review them with their browser of choice. Users can get points (not actually worth anything) for providing good reviews of new sites in the database.

The companies would be likely to add their sites as they're getting that much extra traffic on their sites.

An RDF interface would be neat, too. I read Slashdot's main page, then go to the boxes I configured. Going directly to various sites is something I rarely do.

If you're really ambitious (I would help out with all of this, if you wanted, BTW) you could have an XMLRPC site-query system. Then you can embed the functionality into a browser, say Konqueror. If I'm having trouble with a site, I can select a menu option that brings up info on that site regarding compatibility, workarounds for specific problems, etc. Or how about a glowing "supported" icon. Kind of a mood ring for browsers that glows brighter and more colourful as you're browsing better sites. That would tie in to the gold, silver, bronze thing.

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Wow! Thanks for all the kind offers, I am getting about the same from work too. So this really was a good idea. Actually, it was hard to sleep last night :-). Lets hope no-one put in the domain request a few minutes before I did hehe. I should get the final e-mail tonight :-). Again, thanks. I will keep everyone updated. Yes, I do see this as a bulwark against the incursion of MSFT and a way to keep the standards going. Matt

On Wed, 30 May 2001, Rick Barnes wrote:

At 02:50 AM 5/30/01, Alan Lenton wrote:

...

Nice idea. One useful thing would be a 'testing' service. A lot of people don't use linux on the desktop, and so have no means of checking themselves. (My own company falls into this category, we use linux servers, but not the desktop yet)

I'm sure there are people around who would like to ask for their site to be checked by someone with linux browsers so they could make any changes necessary.

This already exists.

http://www.w3.org/Amaya/

From the Amaya web page: Amaya is a browser/authoring tool that allows you to publish documents on the Web. It is used to demonstrate and test many of the new developments in Web protocols and data formats. Given the very fast moving nature of Web technology, Amaya has a central role to play. It is versatile and extensible and is available on both Unix and Windows '95/NT platforms.

Amaya has a counterpart called Jigsaw which plays a similar role on the server side.

Rick Barnes rag3fan@yahoo.com

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Thanks Rick, The main issue with Amaya is that it is just a technological tool (useful!), but as we know a lot of Websites are published using MSFT products like FrontPage, or they will insert these proprietry (sorry about the spelling) tools that no-one else other than a MSFT web browser can view, or they put up a banner to say only MSFT and Apple OS platforms supported. Do not forget that there are even extensions to Java too on MSFT platforms, what a mess... Matt