lOn Wed, 2006-11-29 at 10:21 +0100, Will Stephenson wrote:

On Wednesday 29 November 2006 08:24, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:

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I did an update on a SUSE 10.1 of kde on Sunday to the latest in the build service. KDE no longer runs. To be more specific:

I get X.

I get KDM.

I can use any window manager other than kde or gnome. I do not usually run gnome, but it has, to the best of my knowledge, been working. Not now.

Some questions to find out what really happened:

Did you upgrade anything else?

Is 'the latest' the KDE 4 packages in the build service - they are for developers only?

Sorry. It is the latest 3.5 in the build service. I have not even considered 4 at this time. I have been keeping the 3.5 releases up-to-date on a regular basis (checked weekly or so) and this has been working really great.

If you took KDE:KDE3 (the right choice) did you use YaST/smart to upgrade everything at once or did you download and install packages by hand?

I use smart.

What's the output of "rpm -qa | egrep '^kde|qt3' |sort"

aqbanking-qt3-2.2.3-0.pm.1 dbus-1-qt3-0.60-30 dbus-1-qt3-devel-0.60-30 kdeaccessibility3-3.5.5-3.8 kdeaddons3-games-3.5.5-12.2 kdeaddons3-kate-3.5.5-12.2 kdeaddons3-kicker-3.5.5-12.2 kdeaddons3-konqueror-3.5.5-12.2 kdeaddons3-kontact-3.5.5-12.2 kdeaddons3-sound-3.5.5-12.2 kdeadmin3-3.5.5-19.2 kdeartwork3-3.5.5-20.2 kdeartwork3-kscreensaver-3.5.5-20.2 kdeartwork3-sound-3.5.5-20.2 kdeartwork3-xscreensaver-3.5.5-20.2 kdebase3-3.5.5-104.1 kdebase3-devel-3.5.5-104.1 kdebase3-extra-3.5.5-104.1 kdebase3-kdm-3.5.5-104.1 kdebase3-ksysguardd-3.5.5-104.1 kdebase3-nsplugin-3.5.5-104.1 kdebase3-samba-3.5.5-104.1 kdebase3-session-3.5.5-104.1 kdebase3-SuSE-10.1-58.11 kdebindings3-3.5.5-47.1 kdebindings3-javascript-3.5.5-3.11 kdebindings3-perl-3.5.5-47.1 kdebindings3-python-3.5.5-1.10 kdebindings3-ruby-3.5.5-47.1 kdebluetooth-0.0.svn20060413-24.3 kdedesktopcheck-0.1-12 kdeedu3-3.5.5-14.3 kdegames3-3.5.5-18.2 kdegames3-arcade-3.5.5-18.2 kdegames3-board-3.5.5-18.2 kdegames3-card-3.5.5-18.2 kdegames3-tactic-3.5.5-18.2 kdegraphics3-3.5.5-22.2 kdegraphics3-3D-3.5.5-22.2 kdegraphics3-devel-3.5.5-22.2 kdegraphics3-extra-3.5.5-22.2 kdegraphics3-fax-3.5.5-22.2 kdegraphics3-imaging-3.5.5-22.2 kdegraphics3-kamera-3.5.5-22.2 kdegraphics3-pdf-3.5.5-22.2 kdegraphics3-postscript-3.5.5-22.2 kdegraphics3-scan-3.5.5-22.2 kdegraphics3-tex-3.5.5-22.2 kdelibs3-3.5.5-45.1 kdelibs3-arts-3.5.5-45.1 kdelibs3-devel-3.5.5-45.1 kdelibs3-devel-doc-3.5.5-1.12 kdelibs3-doc-3.5.5-45.1 kdemultimedia3-3.5.5-24.1 kdemultimedia3-arts-3.5.5-24.1 kdemultimedia3-CD-3.5.5-24.1 kdemultimedia3-devel-3.5.5-24.1 kdemultimedia3-extra-3.5.5-24.1 kdemultimedia3-jukebox-3.5.5-24.1 kdemultimedia3-midi-3.5.5-24.1 kdemultimedia3-mixer-3.5.5-24.1 kdemultimedia3-sound-3.5.5-24.1 kdemultimedia3-video-3.5.5-24.1 kdemultimedia3-video-xine-3.5.5-24.1 kdenetwork3-3.5.5-33.1 kdenetwork3-dialup-3.5.5-33.1 kdenetwork3-InstantMessenger-3.5.5-33.1 kdenetwork3-IRC-3.5.5-33.1 kdenetwork3-lan-3.5.5-33.1 kdenetwork3-lisa-3.5.5-33.1 kdenetwork3-news-3.5.5-33.1 kdenetwork3-query-3.5.5-33.1 kdenetwork3-vnc-3.5.5-33.1 kdenetwork3-wireless-3.5.5-33.1 kdepim3-3.5.5-34.1 kdepim3-devel-3.5.5-34.1 kdepim3-kpilot-3.5.5-34.1 kdepim3-mobile-3.5.5-34.1 kdepim3-networkstatus-3.5.5-34.1 kdepim3-sync-3.5.1-39 kdepim3-time-management-3.5.5-34.1 kdesdk3-3.5.5-20.2 kdesdk3-devel-3.5.5-20.2 kdesdk3-kdecvs-3.5.5-20.2 kdesdk3-translate-3.5.5-20.2 kdesvn-0.11.0-4.1 kdetoys3-3.5.5-19.2 kdetv-0.8.9-2.3 kdeutils3-3.5.5-25.2 kdeutils3-devel-3.5.5-25.2 kdeutils3-extra-3.5.5-25.2 kdeutils3-laptop-3.5.5-25.2 kdevelop3-3.3.5-22.2 kdewebdev3-3.5.5-16.5 qt3-3.3.7-9.4 qt3-devel-3.3.7-9.4 qt3-devel-doc-3.3.7-1.3 qt3-devel-tools-3.3.7-1.3 qt3-mysql-3.3.7-1.3 qt3-sqlite-3.3.7-1.3 qt-qt3support-4.1.0-29

Go to a text console and start a session with "startx -- :1 > /tmp/X.out", what's in /tmp/X.out?

xauth: creating new authority file /home/roger/.serverauth.15256 X Window System Version 6.9.0 Release Date: 21 December 2005 X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0, Release 6.9 Build Operating System: SuSE Linux [ELF] SuSE Current Operating System: Linux shark 2.6.16.21-0.25-default #1 Tue Sep 19 07:26:15 UTC 2006 i686 Build Date: 13 September 2006 Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.X.Org to make sure that you have the latest version. Module Loader present Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting, (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational, (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. (==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.93.log", Time: Wed Nov 29 12:53:21 2006 (==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf" The XKEYBOARD keymap compiler (xkbcomp) reports:

Warning: Type "ONE_LEVEL" has 1 levels, but <RALT> has 2 symbols Ignoring extra symbols Errors from xkbcomp are not fatal to the X server Synaptics DeviceInit called SynapticsCtrl called. Synaptics DeviceOn called Could not init font path element /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/local, removing from list! Could not init font path element /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/CID, removing from list! Couldn't open log file '/var/log/Xgl.0.log' for writing: Permission denied xkb_keycodes { include "xfree86+aliases(qwerty)" }; xkb_types { include "complete" }; xkb_compatibility { include "complete" }; xkb_symbols { include "pc(pc105)+se" }; xkb_geometry { include "pc(pc105)" }; The XKEYBOARD keymap compiler (xkbcomp) reports: Warning: Type "ONE_LEVEL" has 1 levels, but <RALT> has 2 symbols Ignoring extra symbols Errors from xkbcomp are not fatal to the X server /usr/X11R6/bin/xterm: bad command line option "-"

usage: /usr/X11R6/bin/xterm [-/+132] [-C] [-Sccn] [-T string] [-/+ah] [-/+ai] [-/+aw] [-b number] [-/+bc] [-bcf milliseconds] [-bcn milliseconds] [-bd color] [-/+bdc] [-bg color] [-bw number] [-/+cb] [-cc classrange] [-/+cjk_width] [-class string] [-/+cm] [-/+cn] [-cr color] [-/+cu] [-/+dc] [-display displayname] [-e command args ...] [-fa pattern] [-fb fontname] [-/+fbb] [-/+fbx] [-fd pattern] [-fg color] [-fi fontname] [-fn fontname] [-fs size] [-fw fontname] [-fwb fontname] [-fx fontname] [%geom] [#geom] [-geometry geom] [-hc color] [-help] [-/+hf] [-/+hold] [-iconic] [-/+ie] [-/+im] [-into windowId] [-/+j] [-/+k8] [-kt keyboardtype] [-/+l] [-/+lc] [-lcc path] [-leftbar] [-lf filename] [-/+ls] [-/+mb] [-mc milliseconds] [-/+mesg] [-/+mk_width] [-ms color] [-n string] [-name string] [-nb number] [-/+nul] [-/+pc] [-/+pob] [-rightbar] [-/+rv] [-/+rvc] [-/+rw] [-/+s] [-/+samename] [-/+sb] [-/+sf] [-/+si] [-/+sk] [-sl number] [-/+sm] [-/+sp] [-/+t] [-ti termid] [-title string] [-tm string] [-tn name] [-/+u8] [-/+ulc] [-/+ulit] [-/+ut] [-/+vb] [-version] [-/+wc] [-/+wf] [-xrm resourcestring] [-ziconbeep percent] Type /usr/X11R6/bin/xterm -help for a full description. waiting for X server to shut down FreeFontPath: FPE "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc" refcount is 2, should be 1; fixing. Synaptics DeviceOff called . I do not know about the xterm error. I do not have any xterm starting. What type of session does 'startx - 1' start? As I wrote earlier, it is only KDE and GNOME started via kdm that fail. All other managers work. I tried them all. -- Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems AB Ramböll Sverige AB Kapellgränd 7 P.O. Box 4205 SE-102 65 Stockholm, Sweden Tel: Int +46 8-615 60 20 Fax: Int +46 8-31 42 23 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Wed, 2006-11-29 at 12:24 +0000, Chiu, PCM (Peter) wrote:

Hi there,

I don't particularly want to steal the topic, but I did raise a relating issue before to exclude xorg from being updated by the auto online_update. But doing so from yast2 you has not been effective!

I do not think xorg was updated at that time. And Xorg / Xgl seem to be running. Has there been a new Xorg/Xgl in the last week? This is release 6. I have not made the switch to release 7. This is what I have installed: xorg-x11-fonts-cyrillic-6.9.0-48 xorg-x11-libs-6.9.0-50.17 xorg-x11-Xnest-6.9.0-50.17 xorg-x11-Xvnc-6.9.0-48 xorg-x11-fonts-75dpi-6.9.0-48 xorg-x11-server-glx-6.9.0-50.17 xorg-x11-man-6.9.0-48 xorg-x11-server-6.9.0-50.24 xorg-x11-6.9.0-50.17 xorg-x11-driver-video-6.9.0-46.20 xorg-x11-fonts-100dpi-6.9.0-48 xorg-x11-fonts-scalable-6.9.0-48 xorg-x11-devel-6.9.0-48 And the nvidia driver. A does seem to be starting as usual. When I log in with kdm, I get a new grey screen, and the mouse is a blue hour glass. After a second this ends and I get a new kdm login. All this only for KDE and GNOME. -- Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems AB Ramböll Sverige AB Kapellgränd 7 P.O. Box 4205 SE-102 65 Stockholm, Sweden Tel: Int +46 8-615 60 20 Fax: Int +46 8-31 42 23 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Am Mittwoch, 29. November 2006 14:01 schrieb Roger Oberholtzer:

On Wed, 2006-11-29 at 13:18 +0100, Michael Schueller wrote:

...

Am Mittwoch, 29. November 2006 08:24 schrieb Roger Oberholtzer:

...

I did an update on a SUSE 10.1 of kde on Sunday to the latest in the build service. KDE no longer runs. To be more specific:

I get X.

I get KDM.

I can use any window manager other than kde or gnome.

[...] Hi Roger

I had the same behavior after upgrading.

At least i found out, that the owner of the

~/..ICEauthority

was changed to root:root.

So the solution for you would be to

chown roger:users /home/roger/.ICEauthority

My file was (and still is):

-rw------- 1 roger users 724 2006-11-29 11:31 .ICEauthority

As the file is newer than the update, I expect that X has been using this all along without trouble.

This disappoints me a little, but ok ... then back to zero Have you tryed to add a new(testing) user, to see if kde runs with a clean home directory ?

-- Roger Oberholtzer

OPQ Systems AB Ramböll Sverige AB Kapellgränd 7 P.O. Box 4205 SE-102 65 Stockholm, Sweden

Tel: Int +46 8-615 60 20 Fax: Int +46 8-31 42 23 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Wednesday 29 November 2006 12:18, Michael Schueller wrote:

Hi Roger

I had the same behavior after upgrading.

At least i found out, that the owner of the

~/..ICEauthority

was changed to root:root.

So the solution for you would be to

chown roger:users /home/roger/.ICEauthority

Aha, so it was an update that started all of my problems as well, thats half the answer then, I posted about the very same thing "10.1 terminally ill" what a pity only one person read it and replied. As already stated that can be fixed by the above method or a rescue disk or any Live CD/DVD and browsing to your home directory. -- Regards Peter Cannon "There is every excuse for not knowing There is no excuse for not asking" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Wednesday 29 November 2006 16:46, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

More of a pity, apparently only one person recognized/had the problem and responded.  Does 'obscure problem' come to mind rather than '10.1 terminally ill' being true?  Or were you *just* referring to your particular installation problem?

I think everyone is too busy slaughtering each other to have noticed although perhaps the subject line was poor and at the time I'd not done enough research to work out that my first reaction that it was 2 or 3 problems was in fact all the same and related to X I'm surprised I didn't get a "Google it you lazy so and so" I mean god forbid you'd ask for help here ;-)

Good that you have achieved a working model of the best distro available at an affordable price.  And you didn't even have to report to m$ the regestration and ask for verification that your install was ?legal?.

I really don't want to get involved in the 'Great Debate' what I will say is if things carry on the way they have over the last couple of weeks all MS has to do is sit back and watch, then pick over the carcass of whats left. I'm no expert, I don't know the GPL inside out, I'm not fussed about codecs etc I do like Suse and have been a registered user since version 8 but what I've seen on this list over the last few weeks is appalling and people should be ashamed of themselves wheres the 'user solidarity'? The in-fighting is allowing outrageous approaches even if they are wrapped up sugary sweet platitudes and the only reason its happening is because everyone is too busy fighting each other to notice the 'flanking attack'. Crap I just got involved, ignore everything I just said. -- Regards Peter Cannon "There is every excuse for not knowing there is no excuse for not asking" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org