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Hello, everyone.

I have noticed a disturbing trend in recent weeks of people begging for free copies of our favourite distro. Is this beginning to wear a

On Friday 12 October 2001 11:53 am, Stuart Powell wrote: little

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thin for anyone else, or am I just being mean ?

Flame away, my asbestos undies are firmly in place...

Bye for now, Stuart.

Not at all.... I too think that people who can't pay the small price asked should either find a free distro (Linux from Scratch is one) or only upgrade when they can afford it.

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I don't want to specifically pick on Jon, but this thread is very tiring. It was tiring at post #1. We see threads like this nonstop all the time. All it does is generate subjective posts on why people think they should or shouldn't buy upgrades or why or why shouldn't they copy the distro and give it to their friends. Upgrading even 2 months out of the year isn't the answer for some people. It's not all about money either. I think someone mentioned it earlier: if you have a stable system, why muck it up with upgrades? Not everyone has the time or money for upgrading...hell, Microsoft didn't upgrade their OSs THAT much, which may or may not have been the problem for them, but that's getting off-track. There are some hard-core Suse-specific people here, as there would be on any list. These people almost seem to be trying to shove Suse down people's throats. Yeah, it's just an opinion, but when you see these same posts weekly, it gets monotonous and kinda hard to filter out. BTW, there are plenty of Debian freeks out there and I'm sure it would be a LONG debate if you take your Suse/Debian argument to them, Jon. Also, Debian may be free and not include YaST and StarOffice, but YaST ain't all that and StarOffice can be downloaded (hell, I've 3 linux software disks with StarOffice and like 5 linux distros that include SO with their other software). Additionally, the Debian base probably doesn't want any specific versions, otherwise they'd have them already. I'm sure the developers there are bright enough to hash out what they do and don't want in their own distribution. As for me, I've supported Suse the last 2.5 years. It's a nice distro but it's gotta get a whole lot better for me to put out $50 a quarter for. And actually, while I give my money to Suse at the moment, I've multiple Linux OSs on my bookshelf. I've used every one of them and am actually using Slackware 7.0 on my other system, which seems almost as clean as my Suse 7.1 though Slackware 7.0 didn't come with nearly the same amount of software as Suse. So....with these threads of why or why not a person will/will not buy Suse upgrades and what Suse has to offer that other distros don't, the arguments just circle around and around. Everyone will give their .02 then Ben will jump in on his "no free beer" rant. These types of threads do NOTHING to better content on this list. Most of these posts don't even offer clear-headed thinking other than "support the best distro of Linux by buying all Suse upgrades," then giving some subjective reason. The thing is, there's NO real objective reason to stick with Suse. Hell, even my content above was all subjective but you didn't see me recommending my personal favorite version of Linux, did you? I mean, really, I hate when people continuously tell me what to do with my hard earned money. Bottom line: I'll do what I please with my copy. It doesn't matter if Mr. Anal on the Suse list doesn't like it. I'm not gonna hash what's considered GNU/GPL because, just like everyone's opinion of their fave distro, that shit's like the Bible...every swinging monkey's gonna have their interpretation. On Saturday 13 October 2001 05:33, you wrote:

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Not at all.... I too think that people who can't pay the small price asked should either find a free distro (Linux from Scratch is one) or only upgrade when they can afford it.

I'm not going to get all militant here, or anything, but if you have the bandwidth, but can't afford $50 every four months or so, you should start looking at alternatives to SuSE. For instance, *ahem* Debian Testing is about as reliable as SuSE dot-oh releases (those ending in .0) at any given time, which is a tribute to SuSE's reliability. It's free, but there's no YaST, it doesn't include things like StarOffice, and there are no "versions" (email server, firewall, professional/server, personal/desktop, database, et cetera) customized for a given application. You have to get your hands dirty, but it's there. It's what I did. Know what? I miss SuSE, even at $50 per quarter.

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Nope it was 1 CD version SuSe 7.0 on Linux Format CD a couple of month's back. As for LOGIN Mag mention i not sure but could being a live-eval but i am sure on LXF. Alex Togan Muftuoglu wrote:

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Yeah! full version of SuSe 7.1 on their Cover CD and Linux Format at some point also had SuSe version on cover CD.

Most probably it was the live-eval version and you will very soon the ISO of it at the SuSE ftp. You want to see what it looks like then this is teh version you want to have. See if you miss something or not.

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