The Tuesday 2005-03-22 at 17:56 +0100, Sjoerd Hiemstra wrote: Same here. And it works on a text terminal, or remotely over ssh. If there are errors, we can see them immediately. -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson

steve wrote: In /etc/wvdial.conf, set: Stupid Mode = 1 (Well, in fact it's not that stupid.) Or set it with YaST2. In my 8.2 YaST2: Network Devices > Modem > 'Already configured devices', click 'Change' > Providers > select isp > click 'Edit' > click 'Next' > check 'Stupid mode'

The Thursday 2005-03-31 at 20:03 +0200, Sjoerd Hiemstra wrote: Well, actually, that's not for pap. What it does is select who sends the login, wvdial or the pppd daemon. It is pppd who has to use either chap or pap to authenticate. Stupid Mode When wvdial is in Stupid Mode, it does not attempt to interpret any prompts from the terminal server. It starts pppd immediately after the modem connects. Apparently there are ISP's that actually give you a login prompt, but work only if you start PPP, rather than logging in. Go figure. Stupid Mode is (natu­ rally) disabled by default. In other words: some providers (like tiscali in Spain, some times Terra needed it as well) offer a login prompt before the ppp negotiation. This login is not for internet usage, but to log into the access router! It is a misconfiguration, because those routers can be used for different type of access (VoIP, for example, console...), Therefore, in stupid mode wvdial simply passes control to pppd as soon as it can. I guess the correct option should be: PPPD Option= refuse-chap or, edit the file /etc/ppp/peers/wvdial and add a line containing "refuse-chap". This will tell the pppd to use PAP instead. "require-pap" would be for authentication of "them to us". -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson

The Friday 2005-04-01 at 13:39 +0200, steve wrote: No, I meant simply that "stupid mode" does not choose between pap and chap, but between before/after ppp. Kind of. Normally, use "0", not stupid. With some providers you need to use "1" or it will not work. I'm not sure, I don't use kinternet. It might. If you want to use wvdial and it doesn't work, start it from a console and post here what you get. Something like this: cer@telperion:~> wvdial stiscali --> WvDial: Internet dialer version 1.42 --> Initializing modem. --> Sending: ATZ ATZ OK .... with that data I could be able to help you. Why? ;-) Mmmm.... define reliably :-p No provider is fully reliable here, that's why I use two. But state your problem and I'll expand my comments. There is a particular problem with modems in SuSE 9.1 and later with no solution, reported here. It connects, but slowly and intermittently. I can't know if that is your problem till you expand your info. Problems to establish the connection? You know, crystal balls are very expensive nowdays :-p -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson

The Friday 2005-04-01 at 22:21 +0200, steve wrote: The second :-) Interesting :-) Ah... I see. Well, none really support publicly (as far as I know) Linux, even though some do use Linux internally (that I do know first hand). The thing is that the support personnel at the call centers are hired with a specific curriculum and are given a strict set of rules, like "we don't support Linux". A friend of mine at one of those call centers only supported it while the supervisor was not looking and there were no more calls waiting - ie, early hours. The feeling he got was that the Linux user was more knowledgeable, and only wanted data, not hand-holding. Ah, if even the phone call fails, then there is no way the modem works "reliably". No way! Who does that phone line belongs to? Or, being Spain, who writes the receipt, who gets paid? They are responsible. That's a reason why I will never switch telephone company with the redirection system, I stay with old Telefónica. I don't like them much, but the lines are theirs, not hired from somebody else. A cable company, that's different: say Ono, for example, they own their lines. So... your kind of reliability. My phone line belongs to Telefónica - that's your first problem, line quality. I use as providers Teleline (old Terra) and Tiscali. Previously I had another private one, now extinct. Terra is a bit faster, but has its own problems (like higher number of port scans). Tiscali has better mailboxes and services in general, but some times it doesn't work at all, or in part. Speed is a little bit slower, and I have my educated guesses about it (the access router, equivalent to the modem, I'm 95% sure will not be on my home town). But I don't have problems with download, I can get continuous speed around 5-6 kbytes... with SuSE 7.3. With 9.1, around 1-2 kb only. Old story. Never heard of them, must be a small provider. You should, certainly, yours is a local question. It is quite active, but we are less people, and more "easy going", I think. :-) -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson

On Friday 01 April 2005 16:23, Carlos E. R. wrote: Hi. If I can connect then that means the authentication worked no? So if I lose the connection say after 2 hours then that's nothing to do with stupid mode, PAP, CHAP or anything to do with _establishing_ the connection. If I can connect and then the connection drops that's not an authentication issue is it? I must look elsewhere if I want it to _stay_ connected. . . Cheers, Steve.

The Saturday 2005-04-02 at 22:23 +0200, steve wrote: Yes. Correct. Exactly. Once data starts to flow, the problem is another one - and by what you said, I suspect the phone line quality. -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson

steve wrote: Since most are a front-end to pppd, check either /etc/ppp/options, or the particular files in /etc/ppp/peers/. Check for the idle option. man ppp for more info. -- Joe Morris New Tribes Mission Email Address: Joe_Morris(a)ntm.org Registered Linux user 231871