[opensuse] Hard drive errors
Hi all, As part of upgrading, I'm testing my hard drives... On one I have the following in the report from smartctl: SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 16 Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds: ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE UPDATED WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE [...] 5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 001 001 005 Pre-fail Always FAILING_NOW 25 and ATA Error Count: 14 (device log contains only the most recent five errors) [...] Error 14 occurred at disk power-on lifetime: 11871 hours (494 days + 15 hours) When the command that caused the error occurred, the device was active or idle. After command completion occurred, registers were: ER ST SC SN CL CH DH -- -- -- -- -- -- -- 84 51 01 01 00 00 00 Error: ICRC, ABRT at LBA = 0x00000001 = 1 Commands leading to the command that caused the error were: CR FR SC SN CL CH DH DC Powered_Up_Time Command/Feature_Name -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- ---------------- -------------------- 61 08 01 01 00 00 a0 ff 00:26:42.700 WRITE FPDMA QUEUED 61 08 10 37 94 50 40 ff 00:26:42.700 WRITE FPDMA QUEUED 61 08 58 17 4d 10 40 08 00:26:42.700 WRITE FPDMA QUEUED 61 10 50 e7 4c 10 40 08 00:26:42.700 WRITE FPDMA QUEUED 61 08 48 c7 4c 10 40 08 00:26:42.700 WRITE FPDMA QUEUED Do these mean the drive is going to fail completely very soon? Is there a way I can extend its life? These drives are going to be used in hobby machines for 'playing' with - ones which will have no important data on them and which will likely get regular re-installing. To some extent, learning to monitor the state of a dodgy drive would definitely fit with playing ... Cheers Dylan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
El 24/08/13 13:52, Dylan escribió:
Hi all,
As part of upgrading, I'm testing my hard drives... On one I have the following in the report from smartctl:
Do these mean the drive is going to fail completely very soon?
No, this means it is failing completely _NOW_, backup your stuff ! Is there
a way I can extend its life?
Not really, you should no longer trust the device for any kind of activity. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 El 2013-08-24 a las 18:52 +0100, Dylan escribió:
Hi all,
As part of upgrading, I'm testing my hard drives... On one I have the following in the report from smartctl:
SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 16 Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds: ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE UPDATED WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE [...] 5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 001 001 005 Pre-fail Always FAILING_NOW 25
You have to look at these three values: 5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 100 100 036 Pre-fail Always - 0 197 Current_Pending_Sector 0x0012 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 0 198 Offline_Uncorrectable 0x0010 100 100 000 Old_age Offline - 0 All disks develop a number of bad sectors during life, even before leaving the shop. They have a number of prepared sectors to remap those bad sectors (during write operations). When those sectors are spent, the disk is caput, dead. Any new sector can not be remapped, and any way, it has too many bad sectors to trust the disk any more. Not worth it. Make a wall clock with the dish :-) - -- Cheers Carlos E. R. (from 11.4, with Evergreen, x86_64 "Celadon" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlIbPXQACgkQja8UbcUWM1zz6wD9GyzkC/lHCbogNPOzEYoABk/t S5dxQLZWnUGwL6eqHvEA/Ar1JgdVaPxraDWbvt9bG8OwgsOdBTGKEJ8mkMmpxqIZ =BKqH -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Carlos E. R. said the following on 08/26/2013 07:35 AM:
Make a wall clock with the dish:-)
The innards have good magnets for your fridge. -- How long did the whining go on when KDE2 went on KDE3? The only universal constant is change. If a species can not adapt it goes extinct. That's the law of the universe, adapt or die. -- Billie Walsh, May 18 2013 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 El 2013-08-26 a las 08:17 -0400, Anton Aylward escribió:
Carlos E. R. said the following on 08/26/2013 07:35 AM:
Make a wall clock with the dish:-)
The innards have good magnets for your fridge.
That so? I have a small, laptop, unit that I watn to dissassemble :-) I suppose you mean the motor. But i would like to use the motor as motor for something... - -- Cheers Carlos E. R. (from 11.4, with Evergreen, x86_64 "Celadon" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlIbT1AACgkQja8UbcUWM1wRtQD+IZ9YdztQJzRr+IGAo0zcQ0kG 9ON28zv/LcBH/AqliyMA/3UHFCATrVm2LxFlAvVbQwo/XtFxuVTZKpp3Pgu8GA3U =MJ1M -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 8:51 AM, Carlos E. R.
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El 2013-08-26 a las 08:17 -0400, Anton Aylward escribió:
Carlos E. R. said the following on 08/26/2013 07:35 AM:
Make a wall clock with the dish:-)
The innards have good magnets for your fridge.
That so? I have a small, laptop, unit that I watn to dissassemble :-)
I suppose you mean the motor. But i would like to use the motor as motor for something...
No, they are standalone magnets and much better than in a typical motor. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zXLWWNzt4c Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 9:05 AM, Greg Freemyer
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 8:51 AM, Carlos E. R.
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El 2013-08-26 a las 08:17 -0400, Anton Aylward escribió:
Carlos E. R. said the following on 08/26/2013 07:35 AM:
Make a wall clock with the dish:-)
The innards have good magnets for your fridge.
That so? I have a small, laptop, unit that I watn to dissassemble :-)
I suppose you mean the motor. But i would like to use the motor as motor for something...
No, they are standalone magnets and much better than in a typical motor.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zXLWWNzt4c
Greg
This is a better video, but it uses a vice to separate the magnet from the backing, so you should watch both. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttcLQgTLC8M Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. said the following on 08/26/2013 08:51 AM:
El 2013-08-26 a las 08:17 -0400, Anton Aylward escribió:
Carlos E. R. said the following on 08/26/2013 07:35 AM:
Make a wall clock with the dish:-)
The innards have good magnets for your fridge.
That so? I have a small, laptop, unit that I watn to dissassemble :-)
I suppose you mean the motor. But i would like to use the motor as motor for something...
That too, but on the drives I take apart there always seem to be this flat chunks of metal that are highly magnetic. -- /"\ \ / ASCII Ribbon Campaign X Against HTML Mail / \ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 El 2013-08-26 a las 10:26 -0400, Anton Aylward escribió:
That so? I have a small, laptop, unit that I watn to dissassemble :-)
I suppose you mean the motor. But i would like to use the motor as motor for something...
That too, but on the drives I take apart there always seem to be this flat chunks of metal that are highly magnetic.
I'll have a look. And at those videos when I get back home, thanks. - -- Cheers Carlos E. R. (from 11.4, with Evergreen, x86_64 "Celadon" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlIbafIACgkQja8UbcUWM1wbtgD/cT0oZV52ItZjcNx5pXpTwyyM 1JyfO8gv75QXtNzoOeEA/RYsXCsJbBPP7VMm+ew7Pnlkb9bcY+OLumVw5cBP7m+8 =Sw69 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
El 24/08/13 13:52, Dylan escribió:
Hi all,
Error 14 occurred at disk power-on lifetime: 11871 hours (494 days + 15 hours)
btw.. which brand and model is this so we spare ourselves the pain and avoid buying it ? 494 days is a pretty pathetic lifetime if this is a drive with a regular usage pattern.. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 El 2013-08-26 a las 17:46 -0400, Cristian Rodríguez escribió:
El 24/08/13 13:52, Dylan escribió:
Hi all,
Error 14 occurred at disk power-on lifetime: 11871 hours (494 days + 15 hours)
btw.. which brand and model is this so we spare ourselves the pain and avoid buying it ? 494 days is a pretty pathetic lifetime if this is a drive with a regular usage pattern..
Not really. 500 days of continous use, or several years of intermitent use. Look at the hours, a home disk of 12000 hours is suspect for replacement. - -- Cheers Carlos E. R. (from 11.4, with Evergreen, x86_64 "Celadon" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlIcrUsACgkQja8UbcUWM1y/AAD/Xix+66Myoz5basvzJoAhlQkb APjWGZKIzuKyA+CEQ44A/1rWz1N3Jo54Yx7kAmvwaiqeO5zBhCEMy6vCwRZMrUCM =Of6h -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Tue 27 Aug 2013 03:44:43 PM CDT, Carlos E. R. wrote:
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El 2013-08-26 a las 17:46 -0400, Cristian Rodríguez escribió:
El 24/08/13 13:52, Dylan escribió:
Hi all,
Error 14 occurred at disk power-on lifetime: 11871 hours (494 days + 15 hours)
btw.. which brand and model is this so we spare ourselves the pain and avoid buying it ? 494 days is a pretty pathetic lifetime if this is a drive with a regular usage pattern..
Not really. 500 days of continous use, or several years of intermitent use. Look at the hours, a home disk of 12000 hours is suspect for replacement.
Hi I have WD RE3 disks of over 36K Hours, purchased 10 years ago and still running fine, worth the extra few dollars for the enterprise versions... -- Cheers Malcolm °¿° (Linux Counter #276890) openSUSE 12.3 (x86_64) Kernel 3.7.10-1.16-desktop up 1 day 16:17, 3 users, load average: 0.11, 0.12, 0.14 CPU AMD E2-1800@1.70GHz | GPU Radeon HD 7340 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 10:14 AM, Malcolm
Hi I have WD RE3 disks of over 36K Hours, purchased 10 years ago and still running fine, worth the extra few dollars for the enterprise versions...
You're lucky. RE means "raid edition". In a raid array if you have a bad sector you want the drive to fail fast so the raid sub-system can quickly get the data from another drive. Thus you need the firmware to try a sector only once or twice before it gives up and fails. (Each try involves a full revolution or about 9 msecs with a 7200 RPM drive) For a standalone drive, you want that drive to retry and retry and retry in the hopes it can get a good read. It can spend many seconds doing retries before it finally fails a single sector. That's hundreds of retries. The net result of the above 2 criteria is that a RE drive is less reliable than a standard drive, but it is a better choice for a raid array none-the-less. Greg -- Greg Freemyer -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Greg Freemyer wrote:
On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 10:14 AM, Malcolm
wrote: Hi I have WD RE3 disks of over 36K Hours, purchased 10 years ago and still running fine, worth the extra few dollars for the enterprise versions...
You're lucky.
RE means "raid edition".
In a raid array if you have a bad sector you want the drive to fail fast so the raid sub-system can quickly get the data from another drive.
Thus you need the firmware to try a sector only once or twice before it gives up and fails. (Each try involves a full revolution or about 9 msecs with a 7200 RPM drive)
And that's why there's a standard to tell the firmware what behaviour you want from each drive but sadly, wait, WD doesn't support it, preferring to gouge customers instead. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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Anton Aylward
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Carlos E. R.
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Dave Howorth
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Dylan
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Greg Freemyer
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Malcolm