On 01/16/2016 02:34 PM, jdd wrote:

Le 16/01/2016 22:00, John Andersen a écrit :

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Because its a http server? Call it up in your browser, right click, and save link as...

or use wget...

but ftp or rsync could be also allowed...

jdd What does "could also be allowed" mean? Is it there or hidden in some way, or is it just a capability that they could enable at there discretion?

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On 01/16/2016 04:40 PM, jdd wrote:

Le 16/01/2016 22:37, don fisher a écrit :

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What does "could also be allowed" mean? Is it there or hidden in some way, or is it just a capability that they could enable at there discretion?

many servers allows this, so I guess openSUSE could do, no idea of who takes the step. May be asking in features, with use case (=why do you need this)?

One thing I just noticed is the openSUSE site no longer runs IPv6. Previously, I'd see an IPv6 address when going to the site. Did they change servers? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 01/16/2016 02:51 PM, jdd wrote:

may be "mirrorbrain", the openSUSE redirector do not works for ftp? I find (prety hard to do) a mirror for the source here, and it acceopts ftp:

ftp://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/opensuse/source/distribution/leap/42.1/repo/oss/suse/src/

jdd Thanks. I just prefer to use gftp to get this kind of data.

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On 01/16/2016 04:37 PM, don fisher wrote:

What does "could also be allowed" mean? Is it there or hidden in some way, or is it just a capability that they could enable at there discretion?

A server has to support the protocol. You can set up a server to support ftp, http or both. It all depends on what's enabled. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

ellanios82 schrieb am 17.01.2016 um 12:29:

On 01/17/2016 11:31 AM, Per Jessen wrote:

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don fisher wrote:

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Title says it all. Why are these transfers not allowed?

Apparently we no longer run an ftp server on download.opensuse.org (aka ftp.opensuse.org). Maybe it is an omission, many of the mirrors are accessible via ftp. It might be worth notifying admin@opensuse.org.

/Per

~ somehow , seems like a hybrid address :

http://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/misc/packman/suse/openSUSE_Tumbleweed/Essential...

The host ftp.gwdg.de can be accessed via ftp and via http. Werner -- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 01/17/2016 04:31 AM, Per Jessen wrote:

don fisher wrote:

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Title says it all. Why are these transfers not allowed?

Apparently we no longer run an ftp server on download.opensuse.org (aka ftp.opensuse.org). Maybe it is an omission, many of the mirrors are accessible via ftp. It might be worth notifying admin@opensuse.org.

I really really really really really .... really don't see why this is an issue. If you're accessing via the web page and doing click-though they by definition you are using http. you're in a browser, for ${DEITY}'s sake! On the other hand if you're sophisticated enough to go under the hood to get an actual address to use for a CLI download then a) you're capable of looking for the mirror sites and determining which are http and which are ftp b) you're capable of using wget, which really doesn't care which of http or ftp it is and you can push into the background and do something else while it downloads. There's a trend here that I'm not sure I like. A long time ago Norbert Wiener used the phrase "Render unto the computer that which is the computer and unto man that which is man's". Yea, he was riffing on the Bible but so what? he has a point. The issue here is MAKE THE COMPUTER DO THE WORK - MAKE THE COMPUTER SORT IT OUT. You don't have to hand hold it; you don't have to sit there doing the work that the computer should be doing. This is why I hate some GUI interfaces and the legacy mindset that Microsoft Windows has downloaded on us. If I want to delete a bunch of files I'll use the command line and wild card rather than the individual step and repeat with a GUI. Perhaps that's not a brilliant example, a good GUI file manager will let you select many filed before committing the delete. But there are so many things that are easy with a CLI that get awkward with a GUI or are just a GUI layered on the CLI and done badly at that. This is why YAST is so great, it embeds intelligence, deals with consistency and really does relieve the human of things that should be left to the computer. its not alone. we've been doing this for years. A compiler is an 'expert system' in code generation, embedding the expertise of many people and many algorithms and can do the work day in, day out for large volumes. You man be able to make the case that a human could, perhaps, for some of the simpler machines, produce better code, but not for the scale and consistency and speed of a compiler. Make the computer do the work! And while its doing the work go of and do something human: stroke teh cat, cook a meal ... A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects. -- Robert A. Heinlein, "Time Enough for Love" -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 01/17/2016 12:53 PM, James Knott wrote:

On 01/17/2016 12:42 PM, Anton Aylward wrote:

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If you're accessing via the web page and doing click-though they by definition you are using http. you're in a browser, for ${DEITY}'s sake! Actually, browsers support ftp too. All that's needed is a URL that starts with ftp:// instead of http://.

Forgot to mention, browsers support even more, such as ssh:// or smb://. (Try it to a computer you have ssh or smb access on.) The browsers were designed to included multiple protocols, instead of using separate apps such as WAIS, Archie etc. The part of the URL to the left of :// specifies the protocol to be use. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 01/17/2016 01:00 PM, jdd wrote:

Le 17/01/2016 18:58, James Knott a écrit :

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Forgot to mention, browsers support even more, such as ssh:// or smb://. (Try it to a computer you have ssh or smb access on.) The browsers were designed to included multiple protocols, instead of using separate apps such as WAIS, Archie etc. The part of the URL to the left of :// specifies the protocol to be use.

by the way Dolphin also do

Dolphin is a browser too, so it should support the various protocols, like any other. I have just tried it with Firefox and Chromium. Firefox handles those by itself, but Chromium calls an external app. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 01/17/2016 01:46 PM, jdd wrote:

Le 17/01/2016 19:05, James Knott a écrit :

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Dolphin is a browser too, so it should support the various protocols, like any other.

in fact not, http may be the only protocol Dolphin do not support. It send the command to the default browser :-))

but ftp, ssh, sftp, fish, smb, yes (in fact all the protocols usefull on internal network and pretty simple)

jdd

I was just experimenting on Windows and found IE and Edge browsers don't support ssh or smb. Well, that's Microsoft for you. As I mentioned, browsers were intended to unify access to a variety of services. Way back in the dark ages, we used ftp, telnet, gopher, archie, wais etc.. Browsers pretty well killed some of those. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E.R. wrote:

On 17/01/2016 20:42, James Knott wrote:

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I was just experimenting on Windows and found IE and Edge browsers don't support ssh or smb. Well, that's Microsoft for you.

Guessing and joking ;-)

In the opensource world, if you want to add ssh to something, you just pick the code out of another suitable program. In Windows, you have to pay someone for that code, which means asking the boss for permission first :-P

On the other hand...

'ssh' is text mode, you can't ssh to a Windows machine and do things; not much sense in implementing it from their point of view. And about 'smb', maybe it has a different name. Maybe none, like "sharing" a resource.

AFAIR, in windows you map a network share to a drive letter, then you point IE to that. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (-8.8°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - your free DNS host, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R. wrote:

On 2016-01-18 08:14, Per Jessen wrote:

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'ssh' is text mode, you can't ssh to a Windows machine and do things; not much sense in implementing it from their point of view. And about 'smb', maybe it has a different name. Maybe none, like "sharing" a resource.

AFAIR, in windows you map a network share to a drive letter, then you point IE to that.

Also by something like "\\hostname\resourcename".

Yes, that's the samba/cifs resource you map. I guess you can browse it directly too. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (-4.6°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - free dynamic DNS, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org