re: [opensuse] What are the recommended reporitories for KDE/Leap 42.1?
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Rodney Baker Gesendet: So. 31.07.2016 05:51 An: opensuse@opensuse.org Betreff: [opensuse] What are the recommended reporitories for KDE/Leap 421?
Hi all. What repositories should I have selected to have a properly working KDE desktop in Leap 42.1? Or do I need to go back to 13.2 and start afresh with a clean install?
What I'm currently seeing:
On first login after boot, often plasma widgets (e.g. the Start menu search field) and dialog boxes (e.g. the KDE Wallet password dialog) won't accept any keyboard input, despite apparently having the focus. This requires logging out and back in again to get things working.
Kmail5 never starts first time - it hangs indefinitely, requiring a "pkill kmail" followed by another attempt, which usually then works. Using QT5.7 as a repo is not a good choice. Leap is a mix of kde4 and kde5, only 42.2 (when stable) will be more on the plasma5 side. This is not because of a lack of support from Leap but because of the fact that Plasma 5 was at that state when Leap came out.
Konsole windows eventually stop responding to keyboard input after having been open for a while, necessitating a logout/login to restore keyboard input.
I think this is because you are experiencing crashes due to the mixed repo setup you did choose. Stick to Leap 42.1 main, update. Deactivate the rest of repos. Do a zypper ref, then a zypper dup. You will be asked to drop back to kmail4 and kontact4. This is a good choice. I tried the newer versions but in Leap they did not work, at least not reliably enough to do the job.
No DTV in Kaffeine (or any other DTV app) - black screen only, despite the DTV tuner card apparently correctly tuning and the correct program details being displayed on the OSD.
Again, try the above. Kaffeine and DTV needs the packman repo (do this at last). You will also need libdvdcss if it is possible and legal in you country (in Europe AFAIK it is).
A space bar that can't keep up with my typing speed, resulting in wordsthatfrequentlyrunon (requiring frequent back-spaces to correct - at this rate I'll wear out my backspace key).
These are plasma crashes due to the repos I think.
Updates that frequently result in unsolvable dependency conflicts.
KDE-related repositories that I currently have selected:
Again: just select
OpenSuSE-Leap-42.1-Update Leap 42.1 main repo. Standard packages.
When I first upgraded to 42.1, the only DE could get (sort of) working was Gnome.
Given the repos, this is normal.
Without the above repositories, I could not even get close to a working KDE desktop after upgrading from 13.2 Because you used additional repos and shifted to plasma 5 in 13.2. If you want this, do not use Leap. Upgrade to TW. With you settings you are not going to get a stable system anyway and you went for the latest and greatest already in 13.2. So there is no reason to go for Leap.
Oh - I also lost all of my desktop customisations and many plasma widgets that I had come to rely on that obviously haven't been ported to KF5/Plasma 5. That makes it even more tempting to revert. This is expected behaviour. Plasma 5 is not ready yet, only partially ported applications and plasmoids. If you want to the the "state of the moment" go TW not Leap.
This is my opinion YMMV. Leap has been build to be extremely conservative for minimizing risks, have little updates, so it is in parts even "older" then 13.2. This is wanted. If you want to try and risk the current status of a working KDE Plasma 5 desktop go for tumbleweed. I do not see any sense in what you are trying to achieve, if I am honest. --- Alle Postfächer an einem Ort. Jetzt wechseln und E-Mail-Adresse mitnehmen! https://email.freenet.de/mail/Uebersicht?epid=e9900000451 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Wednesday, 3 August 2016 6:07:01 PM ACST stakanov@freenet.de wrote: [...]
Using QT5.7 as a repo is not a good choice. Leap is a mix of kde4 and kde5, only 42.2 (when stable) will be more on the plasma5 side. This is not because of a lack of support from Leap but because of the fact that Plasma 5 was at that state when Leap came out.
OK, fair enough. Unfortunately 5.5 didn't work at all, but that appeared to be the minimum available with Leap. I didn't really want Qt5/Plasma 5 at all - I was happy with KDE4, but I could not get rid of all of the Qt5/KF5 stuff from 13.2 without a full clean reinstall.
Konsole windows eventually stop responding to keyboard input after having been open for a while, necessitating a logout/login to restore keyboard input. I think this is because you are experiencing crashes due to the mixed repo setup you did choose. Stick to Leap 42.1 main, update. Deactivate the rest of repos. Do a zypper ref, then a zypper dup. You will be asked to drop back to kmail4 and kontact4. This is a good choice. I tried the newer versions but in Leap they did not work, at least not reliably enough to do the job.
I rarely use Kontact. Kmail is working fine when it starts. When I first upgraded I had only the main and update repositories selected, and ended up with no KDE desktop working at all. It would just silently drop back to the login prompt, every time. :(
No DTV in Kaffeine (or any other DTV app) - black screen only, despite the DTV tuner card apparently correctly tuning and the correct program details being displayed on the OSD.
Again, try the above. Kaffeine and DTV needs the packman repo (do this at last). You will also need libdvdcss if it is possible and legal in you country (in Europe AFAIK it is).
I've only just added Packman back. I'll try kaffeine again after updating stuff from there.
A space bar that can't keep up with my typing speed, resulting in wordsthatfrequentlyrunon (requiring frequent back-spaces to correct - at this rate I'll wear out my backspace key).
These are plasma crashes due to the repos I think.
Could well be.
Updates that frequently result in unsolvable dependency conflicts.
KDE-related repositories that I currently have selected: Again: just select
OpenSuSE-Leap-42.1-Update
Leap 42.1 main repo. Standard packages.
Hmmm. I"ll see how it goes. Hopefully it won't result in a non-working system again.
When I first upgraded to 42.1, the only DE could get (sort of) working was Gnome. Given the repos, this is normal.
Without the above repositories, I could not even get close to a working KDE desktop after upgrading from 13.2
Because you used additional repos and shifted to plasma 5 in 13.2. If you want this, do not use Leap. Upgrade to TW. With you settings you are not going to get a stable system anyway and you went for the latest and greatest already in 13.2. So there is no reason to go for Leap.
13.2 was getting increasingly broken, and I could not eliminate all traces of KF5 like I wanted to. Even switching back to just the 13.2 main and update repositories wanted to uninstall pretty much all of KDE and replace it with i586 32-bit builds of everything.
Oh - I also lost all of my desktop customisations and many plasma widgets that I had come to rely on that obviously haven't been ported to KF5/Plasma 5. That makes it even more tempting to revert.
This is expected behaviour. Plasma 5 is not ready yet, only partially ported applications and plasmoids. If you want to the the "state of the moment" go TW not Leap.
It certainly seems that way. I'm not really after"cutting edge", just usable. Once upon a time, when most developers followed some sort of standard in version numbering, packages that were still in active development (i.e. not yet feature= or API/ABI stable) used versions beginning with 0, or were clearly marked as alpha or beta. These days, that all seems to be ignored. One would think that with a version "5.7" (Qt) or 5.24.x (KF5) that they'd be reasonably mature. It seems not. Maybe by the time version 6 rolls around, version 5 might be somewhere near release quality.
This is my opinion YMMV. Leap has been build to be extremely conservative for minimizing risks, have little updates, so it is in parts even "older" then 13.2. This is wanted. If you want to try and risk the current status of a working KDE Plasma 5 desktop go for tumbleweed. I do not see any sense in what you are trying to achieve, if I am honest.
Thanks for your input. It is appreciated. All I'm trying to achieve is a working desktop at least a functional as 13.2 was with a reasonably mature KDE4. Clearly KF5/KDE5 is not ready for that role, yet. Regards, Rodney. -- ============================================================== Rodney Baker VK5ZTV rodney.baker@iinet.net.au ============================================================== -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Thursday, 4 August 2016 7:56:44 PM ACST Rodney Baker wrote: [..]
No DTV in Kaffeine (or any other DTV app) - black screen only, despite the DTV tuner card apparently correctly tuning and the correct program details being displayed on the OSD.
Again, try the above. Kaffeine and DTV needs the packman repo (do this at last). You will also need libdvdcss if it is possible and legal in you country (in Europe AFAIK it is).
I've only just added Packman back. I'll try kaffeine again after updating stuff from there.
Update - Kaffeine is working again. :) -- ============================================================== Rodney Baker VK5ZTV rodney.baker@iinet.net.au ============================================================== -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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