On 11/04/2011 13:58, Larry Stotler wrote:

On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 11:41 PM, Basil Chupin wrote:

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Can anyone provide an answer, please, to what the future of KDE is considering that gnome has gone #3 but will not be used in such a distro as Ubuntu, to be replaced by Unity. And I don't know what the future holds for openSUSE. Gnome is still basically the desktop in Ubuntu. The Shell is now Unity instead of the Gnome 3 shell. see:

http://www.wikivs.com/wiki/Gnome_Shell_vs_Unity

It's still gtk+ underneath. Plus, you can change to Gnome Shell fairly easily in 11.04 from what I have read.

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What's the future of KDE in openSUSE, will it remain and be in place for at least several years or be replaced with something like Unity or Gnome #3 in the foreseeable future or within 6 months time (whichever comes first)? (Reason for asking is that I don't want to invest time and effort in getting KDE in 11.4 configured only to find that KDE will be replaced with something as unproductive as gnome 3 or Unity.) KDE has been the main desktop in openSUSE/S.u.S.E. since like v5.x, so I doubt they are planning to move away from it at all. Especially with all the work that's went into KDE4. KDE3 -> KDE4 was more of a change than Unity/Gnome Shell. KDE4 adopted qt4 which is a completely re-written lib system while both Unity/Gnome Shell use GTK+ just like LXDE and Xfce.

At least that's how I understand it.

Thanks Larry - this has diminished my concerns. Re Unity and Ubuntu, as far as I know - pretty certain actually...but I may have misread what was stated - is that come Ubuntu 11.10 (in six months time) there will not be any trace of gnome - it'll be all Unity. BC -- Great Man reaches complete understanding of the main issues; Petty Man reaches complete understanding of the minute details." Confucius -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 07:23, Larry Stotler wrote:

On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 1:12 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:

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Re Unity and Ubuntu, as far as I know - pretty certain actually...but I may have misread what was stated - is that come Ubuntu 11.10 (in six months time) there will not be any trace of gnome - it'll be all Unity.

It's still Gnome-based underneath tho, so any gtk+ based app will work as normal.  You could technically do the same with qt4 and have a new DE that isn't KDE4 but runs all qt4 programs for KDE4 natively.

I haven't had a chance to check out the Unity shell, but since I'm not much on Gnome or KDE4, I have doubts about my liking it.

Unity will probably be really nice on a tablet computer... or a smart phone, and possibly small format netbooks and/or media center PCs. For desktop use, I find it very awkward and annoying. Someone who looks at their computer as an appliance and never changes the default settings will probably be OK with it, but many/most experienced users are unlikely to like the changes. The desktop configuration is limited and missing key parts (in my opinion). Unity is well suited to running a single application full screen, but if you're used to having multiple apps open at the same time, and not working with maximized apps... it fails pretty spectacularly. Granted, I think this could be tweaked and fixed, but it's not possible in the 11.04 time frame. Maybe it'll get better with age as KDE4 has... but... I don't think it'll be pretty over in the Ubuntu world when they release Unity and 11.04 :-( There have been statements and conjecture that with 11.10, there will be no official support for the Gnome 2 shell - in 11.04, it's reasonably easy to switch to Gnome2... but apparently... if the forum murmuring is right, it won't be easy at all to switch Unity off from 11.10 onward. C -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org