[opensuse] The future of KDE
Can anyone provide an answer, please, to what the future of KDE is considering that gnome has gone #3 but will not be used in such a distro as Ubuntu, to be replaced by Unity. And I don't know what the future holds for openSUSE. What's the future of KDE in openSUSE, will it remain and be in place for at least several years or be replaced with something like Unity or Gnome #3 in the foreseeable future or within 6 months time (whichever comes first)? (Reason for asking is that I don't want to invest time and effort in getting KDE in 11.4 configured only to find that KDE will be replaced with something as unproductive as gnome 3 or Unity.) BC -- Great Man reaches complete understanding of the main issues; Petty Man reaches complete understanding of the minute details." Confucius -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 11:41 PM, Basil Chupin <blchupin@iinet.net.au> wrote:
Can anyone provide an answer, please, to what the future of KDE is considering that gnome has gone #3 but will not be used in such a distro as Ubuntu, to be replaced by Unity. And I don't know what the future holds for openSUSE.
Gnome is still basically the desktop in Ubuntu. The Shell is now Unity instead of the Gnome 3 shell. see: http://www.wikivs.com/wiki/Gnome_Shell_vs_Unity It's still gtk+ underneath. Plus, you can change to Gnome Shell fairly easily in 11.04 from what I have read.
What's the future of KDE in openSUSE, will it remain and be in place for at least several years or be replaced with something like Unity or Gnome #3 in the foreseeable future or within 6 months time (whichever comes first)? (Reason for asking is that I don't want to invest time and effort in getting KDE in 11.4 configured only to find that KDE will be replaced with something as unproductive as gnome 3 or Unity.)
KDE has been the main desktop in openSUSE/S.u.S.E. since like v5.x, so I doubt they are planning to move away from it at all. Especially with all the work that's went into KDE4. KDE3 -> KDE4 was more of a change than Unity/Gnome Shell. KDE4 adopted qt4 which is a completely re-written lib system while both Unity/Gnome Shell use GTK+ just like LXDE and Xfce. At least that's how I understand it. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 11/04/2011 13:58, Larry Stotler wrote:
On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 11:41 PM, Basil Chupin<blchupin@iinet.net.au> wrote:
Can anyone provide an answer, please, to what the future of KDE is considering that gnome has gone #3 but will not be used in such a distro as Ubuntu, to be replaced by Unity. And I don't know what the future holds for openSUSE. Gnome is still basically the desktop in Ubuntu. The Shell is now Unity instead of the Gnome 3 shell. see:
http://www.wikivs.com/wiki/Gnome_Shell_vs_Unity
It's still gtk+ underneath. Plus, you can change to Gnome Shell fairly easily in 11.04 from what I have read.
What's the future of KDE in openSUSE, will it remain and be in place for at least several years or be replaced with something like Unity or Gnome #3 in the foreseeable future or within 6 months time (whichever comes first)? (Reason for asking is that I don't want to invest time and effort in getting KDE in 11.4 configured only to find that KDE will be replaced with something as unproductive as gnome 3 or Unity.) KDE has been the main desktop in openSUSE/S.u.S.E. since like v5.x, so I doubt they are planning to move away from it at all. Especially with all the work that's went into KDE4. KDE3 -> KDE4 was more of a change than Unity/Gnome Shell. KDE4 adopted qt4 which is a completely re-written lib system while both Unity/Gnome Shell use GTK+ just like LXDE and Xfce.
At least that's how I understand it.
Thanks Larry - this has diminished my concerns. Re Unity and Ubuntu, as far as I know - pretty certain actually...but I may have misread what was stated - is that come Ubuntu 11.10 (in six months time) there will not be any trace of gnome - it'll be all Unity. BC -- Great Man reaches complete understanding of the main issues; Petty Man reaches complete understanding of the minute details." Confucius -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 1:12 AM, Basil Chupin <blchupin@iinet.net.au> wrote:
Re Unity and Ubuntu, as far as I know - pretty certain actually...but I may have misread what was stated - is that come Ubuntu 11.10 (in six months time) there will not be any trace of gnome - it'll be all Unity.
It's still Gnome-based underneath tho, so any gtk+ based app will work as normal. You could technically do the same with qt4 and have a new DE that isn't KDE4 but runs all qt4 programs for KDE4 natively. I haven't had a chance to check out the Unity shell, but since I'm not much on Gnome or KDE4, I have doubts about my liking it. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 07:23, Larry Stotler wrote:
On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 1:12 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:
Re Unity and Ubuntu, as far as I know - pretty certain actually...but I may have misread what was stated - is that come Ubuntu 11.10 (in six months time) there will not be any trace of gnome - it'll be all Unity.
It's still Gnome-based underneath tho, so any gtk+ based app will work as normal. You could technically do the same with qt4 and have a new DE that isn't KDE4 but runs all qt4 programs for KDE4 natively.
I haven't had a chance to check out the Unity shell, but since I'm not much on Gnome or KDE4, I have doubts about my liking it.
Unity will probably be really nice on a tablet computer... or a smart phone, and possibly small format netbooks and/or media center PCs. For desktop use, I find it very awkward and annoying. Someone who looks at their computer as an appliance and never changes the default settings will probably be OK with it, but many/most experienced users are unlikely to like the changes. The desktop configuration is limited and missing key parts (in my opinion). Unity is well suited to running a single application full screen, but if you're used to having multiple apps open at the same time, and not working with maximized apps... it fails pretty spectacularly. Granted, I think this could be tweaked and fixed, but it's not possible in the 11.04 time frame. Maybe it'll get better with age as KDE4 has... but... I don't think it'll be pretty over in the Ubuntu world when they release Unity and 11.04 :-( There have been statements and conjecture that with 11.10, there will be no official support for the Gnome 2 shell - in 11.04, it's reasonably easy to switch to Gnome2... but apparently... if the forum murmuring is right, it won't be easy at all to switch Unity off from 11.10 onward. C -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 11 April 2011 05:41:34 Basil Chupin wrote:
Can anyone provide an answer, please, to what the future of KDE is considering that gnome has gone #3 but will not be used in such a distro as Ubuntu, to be replaced by Unity. And I don't know what the future holds for openSUSE.
What's the future of KDE in openSUSE, will it remain and be in place for at least several years or be replaced with something like Unity or Gnome #3 in the foreseeable future or within 6 months time (whichever comes first)?
Why are you asking this question on the user support list? All you'll get on this user list is conjecture and speculation. Of course if you ask it on opensuse-project you'll probably get answers from some of the same people (like me) with our contributor hats on, but the discussion will be more valid. Oh and a reminder to old hands and KDE lovers here: the project is a do-ocracy - those who do things set the agenda, and the status quo is not fixed.
(Reason for asking is that I don't want to invest time and effort in getting KDE in 11.4 configured only to find that KDE will be replaced with something as unproductive as gnome 3 or Unity.)
If you identify some results of this investment that would be generally useful to all KDE users out of the box, please share them with us on the opensuse- kde@opensuse.org list. Will -- Will Stephenson, KDE Developer, openSUSE Boosters Team SUSE LINUX Products GmbH - Nürnberg - AG Nürnberg - HRB 16746 - GF: Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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