[opensuse] Copy problems
In the Linux GUI, lack of options during copy and move made me lose countless hours. When there are problems, there is no way to pause and resume later, no way to see a list of problems, for example the files skipped during auto-skip, and when aborted, the complete hierarchy of directories are found in the target place, many empty depending on when the operation was halted. This makes resuming the task unnecessarily difficult. Now i want to copy my home folder to a backup disk, but copy says the 600MB are really 67GB ... Why could that be ? Kind regards Philippe -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 4/14/08, Philippe Landau <lists@user-land.org> wrote:
In the Linux GUI, lack of options during copy and move made me lose countless hours. When there are problems, there is no way to pause and resume later, no way to see a list of problems, for example the files skipped during auto-skip, and when aborted, the complete hierarchy of directories are found in the target place, many empty depending on when the operation was halted. This makes resuming the task unnecessarily difficult.
Now i want to copy my home folder to a backup disk, but copy says the 600MB are really 67GB ... Why could that be ?
Kind regards Philippe
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This is just a random guest, did your backup disk is external usb harddisk (maybe enclosure harddisk) ? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Philippe Landau a écrit :
Now i want to copy my home folder to a backup disk, but copy says the 600MB are really 67GB ...
what copy? looks like you are copying recursively :-( i'm just backing up one usb drive to an other, with rsync -avz orig dest if doing so be aware than fat32, for example, can handle only <2Gb files and no groug permission, so having chgroup fails is normal jdd -- Jean-Daniel Dodin Président du CULTe www.culte.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Monday 2008-04-14 at 14:05 +0200, Philippe Landau wrote:
In the Linux GUI, lack of options during copy and move made me lose countless hours.
Which GUI? There are many.
When there are problems, there is no way to pause and resume later, no way to see a list of problems, for example the files skipped during auto-skip, and when aborted, the complete hierarchy of directories are found in the target place, many empty depending on when the operation was halted. This makes resuming the task unnecessarily difficult.
Don't use a GUI. Use rsync.
Now i want to copy my home folder to a backup disk, but copy says the 600MB are really 67GB ... Why could that be ?
Maybe you have sparse files. Do you use [ae]mule o equivalent? - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIA1CAtTMYHG2NR9URAgqOAJ90J71iXS/b4RhKcoT+jhpdjXFJMQCeJty+ Me5+NpYFw8F0MRL1W8VURW8= =9DsH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Monday 2008-04-14 at 14:05 +0200, Philippe Landau wrote:
In the Linux GUI, lack of options during copy and move made me lose countless hours. Which GUI? There are many. OpenSuse 10.3 KDE 3.5
When there are problems, there is no way to pause and resume later, no way to see a list of problems, for example the files skipped during auto-skip, and when aborted, the complete hierarchy of directories are found in the target place, many empty depending on when the operation was halted. This makes resuming the task unnecessarily difficult. Don't use a GUI. Use rsync. Interesting. Simple users still stuck then.
Now i want to copy my home folder to a backup disk, but copy says the 600MB are really 67GB ... Why could that be ? Maybe you have sparse files. Do you use [ae]mule o equivalent? Yes. How can i track these sparse files down ? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Monday 2008-04-14 at 15:40 +0200, Philippe Landau wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Monday 2008-04-14 at 14:05 +0200, Philippe Landau wrote:
In the Linux GUI, lack of options during copy and move made me lose countless hours. Which GUI? There are many. OpenSuse 10.3 KDE 3.5
I assume you use konqueror, then. Very good program, but has some drawbacks. I prefer midnight commander, while not strictly "gui" it is a very good program. Thunar could be another possibility.
This makes resuming the task unnecessarily difficult. Don't use a GUI. Use rsync. Interesting. Simple users still stuck then.
Choose your poison :-P You can select ease of use, or real power.
Now i want to copy my home folder to a backup disk, but copy says the 600MB are really 67GB ... Why could that be ? Maybe you have sparse files. Do you use [ae]mule o equivalent? Yes. How can i track these sparse files down ?
I'm not sure how exactly to know if a file is sparse or not, but one symptom is that the sum of sizes is greater than the available space, or the space reported by "du" or "df". Mind: if you ares using p2p, those sparse files will become "filled", when they are finally downloaded. Then they will really use the space they report... even filling the disk completely. There was a thread recently where this was mentioned too, with the proper options to be given to rsync. This tool is perfect for maintaining a backup copy on another disk; the second time you copy it will copy only whatever is different, saving a lot of time (specially if the backup is an external disk on USB). - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIA3C/tTMYHG2NR9URAsWRAJ4tanOe21j8g49CciranJZ4azSRSwCfZAsF yb1jpABD0EFpz2PT7SJC0as= =3waW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Mon 14 April 08, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Monday 2008-04-14 at 15:40 +0200, Philippe Landau wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Monday 2008-04-14 at 14:05 +0200, Philippe Landau wrote:
In the Linux GUI, lack of options during copy and move made me lose countless hours.
Which GUI? There are many.
OpenSuse 10.3 KDE 3.5
I assume you use konqueror, then. Very good program, but has some drawbacks. I prefer midnight commander, while not strictly "gui" it is a very good program. Thunar could be another possibility.
Krusader works well too. -- The right of citizens to bear arms is just one more guarantee against arbitrary government, one more safeguard against tyranny, which though now appears remote in America, history has proven to be always possible. Senator Hubert H. Humphrey -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
JB2 wrote:
On Mon 14 April 08, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Monday 2008-04-14 at 15:40 +0200, Philippe Landau wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Monday 2008-04-14 at 14:05 +0200, Philippe Landau wrote:
In the Linux GUI, lack of options during copy and move made me lose countless hours. Which GUI? There are many. OpenSuse 10.3 KDE 3.5 I assume you use konqueror, then. Very good program, but has some drawbacks. I prefer midnight commander, while not strictly "gui" it is a very good program. Thunar could be another possibility. Krusader works well too. Is copy improved in those ? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Monday 2008-04-14 at 18:12 +0200, Philippe Landau wrote:
I assume you use konqueror, then. Very good program, but has some drawbacks. I prefer midnight commander, while not strictly "gui" it is a very good program. Thunar could be another possibility. Krusader works well too. Is copy improved in those ?
No program is perfect on all respects. Try! - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIA9drtTMYHG2NR9URApkHAJ40md+VsJpzPCdIRLHuK/AkNu/F2gCeLrvG Otpvgl80wCuE1UevHBQX1nE= =nVnb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. a écrit :
Is copy improved in those ?
I just notice I had lot of problems copying to fat32 disk, and no at all copying to ext3 disk. knowing that ext3 can be read/write also by Windows (thanks to the e2ifs free driver), it's the better solution jdd -- Jean-Daniel Dodin Président du CULTe www.culte.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Monday 2008-04-14 at 14:05 +0200, Philippe Landau wrote:
In the Linux GUI, lack of options during copy and move made me lose countless hours. Which GUI? There are many. OpenSuse 10.3 KDE 3.5
When there are problems, there is no way to pause and resume later, no way to see a list of problems, for example the files skipped during auto-skip, and when aborted, the complete hierarchy of directories are found in the target place, many empty depending on when the operation was halted. This makes resuming the task unnecessarily difficult. Don't use a GUI. Use rsync. Interesting. Simple users still stuck then.
No. Have a look at GAdmin-Rsync and Grsync which are GUI frontends to rsync. -- Ken Schneider SuSe since Version 5.2, June 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Thanks for the suggestions everyone. Ken Schneider wrote:
Philippe Landau pecked at the keyboard and wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Monday 2008-04-14 at 14:05 +0200, Philippe Landau wrote:
In the Linux GUI, lack of options during copy and move made me lose countless hours. Which GUI? There are many. OpenSuse 10.3 KDE 3.5
When there are problems, there is no way to pause and resume later, no way to see a list of problems, for example the files skipped during auto-skip, and when aborted, the complete hierarchy of directories are found in the target place, many empty depending on when the operation was halted. This makes resuming the task unnecessarily difficult. Don't use a GUI. Use rsync. Interesting. Simple users still stuck then. No. Have a look at GAdmin-Rsync and Grsync which are GUI frontends to rsync. rsync had similar problems when i reported them here a few months ago. thanks for the pointers.
now a copy operation just said: "process died unexpectedly" and offered me the possibility to cancel or skip :-) upon skipping, the copy continued, but what was left out was never even displayed. Of course, the managers and devs don't care, and if i file a bug report, they either send me to the next one who doesn't care, or they say it's a feature. Carlos E. R. wrote:
I prefer midnight commander, while not strictly "gui" it is a very good program. Thunar could be another possibility. Krusader works well too. Is copy improved in those ? No program is perfect on all respects. Try! Thanks for your help and experience, Carlos.
Copy is super basic stuff on computers. I don't live for the OS, i expect the OS to just facilitate my life. Being able to copy stuff easily without having to try various applications to do the job. Another built-in backup application, ark, works 24 hours without any indication of progress when tar -czvf sampledir.tgz sampledir/ finishes the same job in 40 minutes. Kind regards Philippe -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Philippe Landau <lists@user-land.org> writes:
rsync had similar problems when i reported them here a few months ago. thanks for the pointers.
now a copy operation just said: "process died unexpectedly" and offered me the possibility to cancel or skip :-) upon skipping, the copy continued, but what was left out was never even displayed.
Are you sure that there is nothing wrong with the disk/device you are copying to? I have never had a problem copy files in Linux and I am a long time user (switched over from a dual-boot system in 1995). Does any error show up in /var/log/messages? Charles
Carlos E. R. wrote:
When there are problems, there is no way to pause and resume later, no way to see a list of problems, for example the files skipped during auto-skip, and when aborted, the complete hierarchy of directories are found in the target place, many empty depending on when the operation was halted. This makes resuming the task unnecessarily difficult.
Don't use a GUI. Use rsync.
+1 /Per Jessen, Zürich -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Philippe Landau <lists@user-land.org> írta:
In the Linux GUI, lack of options during copy and move made me lose countless hours. When there are problems, there is no way to pause and resume later, no way to see a list of problems, for example the files skipped during auto-skip, and when aborted, the complete hierarchy of directories are found in the target place, many empty depending on when the operation was halted. This makes resuming the task unnecessarily difficult.
Now i want to copy my home folder to a backup disk, but copy says the 600MB are really 67GB ... Why could that be ?
Sometimes I have similar issues with USB flashdisks, vfat formatted. One file becomes corrupted and it's reported size may be extremely large (GB, TB). In such a case I delete these files and copy the remaining stuff. IG _______________________________________________________ Vigyázat! Torlódás az M7-esen Érdnél! 14. születésnapján a Suzuki M7 14 féle hihetetlen akcióval várja! Április 18-20. http://ad.adverticum.net/b/cl,1,6022,258710,309312/click.prm -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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