[opensuse] Okular not printing correctly
I just tried several times to print a landscape-oriented black-and-white pdf document (http://www.rev-a-shelf.com/Common/FileFetch.aspx?FileName=I-5PSP15-CR-R.pdf) from Okular. I wanted to print the second of the two-page document; I tried gray-scale and color modes. The document comes out portrait, reversed black-and-white. The printer is an hpC6380, with up-to-date suse 11.4, kde 4.6.0 release 6. I've kept the default environment throughout except for Packman and vlc. Printing the same document from Firefox in my wife's xp on a different computer results in a perfect page. Any ideas? John Perry -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sun, 15 May 2011 15:01:09 -0400 "John E. Perry" <j.e.perry@cox.net> wrote:
I just tried several times to print a landscape-oriented black-and-white pdf document (http://www.rev-a-shelf.com/Common/FileFetch.aspx?FileName=I-5PSP15-CR-R.pdf) from Okular. I wanted to print the second of the two-page document; I tried gray-scale and color modes.
The document comes out portrait, reversed black-and-white. The printer is an hpC6380, with up-to-date suse 11.4, kde 4.6.0 release 6. I've kept the default environment throughout except for Packman and vlc. Printing the same document from Firefox in my wife's xp on a different computer results in a perfect page.
Any ideas?
yes :) https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=181290 it's a bug which is more than years old... Karl -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 05/15/2011 03:17 PM, Karl Sinn wrote:
On Sun, 15 May 2011 15:01:09 -0400 "John E. Perry"<j.e.perry@cox.net> wrote: ...
The document comes out portrait, reversed black-and-white. ...
Any ideas?
yes :)
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=181290
it's a bug which is more than years old...
Arrgh! 11.4 and kde have been doing so well for me lately that I'd hoped I was free of Adobe and such. This was my first try at printing from Okular, which I've used exclusively since finding it in my 11.3 installation (did it even exist before? I never noticed it). Thanks, Karl, Doug, Greg, Ken, Carlos. I'll look into Nuance for our Windows machines, and I'll look into the ps thing, too. Maybe one of the ps-handling programs can print properly. jp -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Arrgh! 11.4 and kde have been doing so well for me lately that I'd hoped I was free of Adobe and such. This was my first try at printing from Okular, which I've used exclusively since finding it in my 11.3 installation (did it even exist before? I never noticed it).
Thanks, Karl, Doug, Greg, Ken, Carlos. I'll look into Nuance for our Windows machines, and I'll look into the ps thing, too. Maybe one of the ps-handling programs can print properly.
Add your vote to the bug report to show that it's important to users (if you want) Karl -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 05/16/2011 01:08 PM, Karl Sinn wrote:
... Add your vote to the bug report to show that it's important to users (if you want)
Uh, thanks for making me feel foolish! It never occurred to me to do that. Doing it right now. jp -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 05/16/2011 08:34 PM, John E. Perry wrote:
On 05/16/2011 01:08 PM, Karl Sinn wrote:
... Add your vote to the bug report to show that it's important to users (if you want)
Uh, thanks for making me feel foolish! It never occurred to me to do that. Doing it right now.
So, I read through the history of the bug; rather than contribute to the acrimony on bugzilla, I'll just note here that at least two okular developers are presently looking at the problem (as of May 8), which seems to be due to a serious lack of attention to the overall kde printing code for many years, now, culminating in the loss of a system-level printing facility (since the thoroughly obsolete kde3 code doesn't work under kde4). This forces application developers to do their own thing at the application level, which many are justifiably unwilling to do, since it makes system-level people less eager to do the hard stuff that's really needed. Do I understand it correctly, kde folks? I base the above on half-understood comments of Stefan, Francesco, Albert, and Falk, plus a couple of end users who seem to be fairly well connected. jp -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Hello, On May 16 21:47 John E. Perry wrote (excerpt):
a serious lack of attention to the overall kde printing code
In general there is not much attention to printing neither in desktop projects (like Gnome and KDE) nor in application projects (like OpenOffice and Mozilla). You may have a look at http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/openprinting/plan-comp... ------------------------------------------------------------------------- The GNOME and KDE projects simply want to have patches, they do not want to work on the implementation themselves. ... Why not volunteers? ... biggest problem was finding volunteers to implement or maintain printing-related projects. Printing seems really not to be attractive in the big community of volunteer programmers in the free software area. Free software projects, like KDE, GNOME, or OpenOffice.org do only a certain minimum effort to keep printing working, as they do not have the developers who really like to work on the printing part. It is even difficult to get students applying for printing projects in the Google Summer of Code, as there is a big offer of other, more attractive projects. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Unless there are volunteers who care about printing in the desktops and in the applications, the result matches exactly the interest. Complaints do not at all help here. Contribution to the upstream projects would help. Kind Regards Johannes Meixner -- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH -- Maxfeldstrasse 5 -- 90409 Nuernberg -- Germany HRB 16746 (AG Nuernberg) GF: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Felix Imendoerffer -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday, 2011-05-17 at 12:37 +0200, Johannes Meixner wrote: ...
Unless there are volunteers who care about printing in the desktops and in the applications, the result matches exactly the interest.
Complaints do not at all help here.
Contribution to the upstream projects would help.
But not everybody can contribute in that field. I can't, for example, it would take me years to get up to steam. So, we can only complain. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2 x86_64 "Emerald" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk3U4r4ACgkQtTMYHG2NR9XtYACfS7KMA8HP4lUbNkwDd41vYpOA QfQAnRHBFD6ljRyNi+iyFUw6k++grKR5 =0oxE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Hello, On May 19 11:28 Carlos E. R. wrote (excerpt):
On Tuesday, 2011-05-17 at 12:37 +0200, Johannes Meixner wrote: ...
Unless there are volunteers who care about printing in the desktops and in the applications, the result matches exactly the interest.
Complaints do not at all help here.
Contribution to the upstream projects would help.
But not everybody can contribute in that field. I can't, for example, it would take me years to get up to steam. So, we can only complain.
Contribution is not limited to new code or patches. Testing, meaningful bug reports, and meaningful feature requests is valuable contribution. For a recent example see https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=688614#c19 and for an older example see https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=446432#c10 In particular the latter example shows that "meaningful" does not require low-level technical details. In contrast plain complaints is no valuable contribution. Kind Regards Johannes Meixner -- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH -- Maxfeldstrasse 5 -- 90409 Nuernberg -- Germany HRB 16746 (AG Nuernberg) GF: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Felix Imendoerffer -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 17 May 2011 02:47:07 John E. Perry wrote:
So, I read through the history of the bug; rather than contribute to the acrimony on bugzilla, I'll just note here that at least two okular developers are presently looking at the problem (as of May 8), which seems to be due to a serious lack of attention to the overall kde printing code for many years, now, culminating in the loss of a system-level printing facility (since the thoroughly obsolete kde3 code doesn't work under kde4).
This forces application developers to do their own thing at the application level, which many are justifiably unwilling to do, since it makes system-level people less eager to do the hard stuff that's really needed.
Do I understand it correctly, kde folks? I base the above on half-understood comments of Stefan, Francesco, Albert, and Falk, plus a couple of end users who seem to be fairly well connected.
Only partly, see my explanation in a separate thread on the KDE printing situation. In Okular things are complicated by not actually using Qt to send print jobs to Cups as Qt doesn't support file printing and we want to use the original source file for best possible quality output I've poked a stick at this bug a couple of times to try figure it out and it's hard to pin down whether its Okular, Poppler, or CUPS that is getting the setting so wrong. It also only happens for me in certain PDF's so it's somewhere between what the PDF says, how Poppler interprets that, how Okular then passes that to Cups and how Cups then interprets that. We've tried patching it a couple of times in Okular, but the knock-on effect of changing the value caused even worse problems to appear so we reverted. With all the heat and light surrounding this one I'll admit to deliberatly not getting involved any further. John. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
I just tried several times to print a landscape-oriented black-and-white pdf document (http://www.rev-a-shelf.com/Common/FileFetch.aspx?FileName=I-5PSP15-CR-R.pdf) from Okular. I wanted to print the second of the two-page document; I tried gray-scale and color modes.
The document comes out portrait, reversed black-and-white. The printer is an hpC6380, with up-to-date suse 11.4, kde 4.6.0 release 6. I've kept the default environment throughout except for Packman and vlc. Printing the same document from Firefox in my wife's xp on a different computer results in a perfect page.
Any ideas?
John Perry I have Adobe Reader 9.3 installed as a Firefox plug-in, on pclos, and it
On 05/15/2011 03:01 PM, John E. Perry wrote: printed the two pages of your file perfectly. I have had problems with Okular before, and I don't try to use it. I find that printing .pdfs from Linux is quite slow, and if I really need a .pdf that's more than a page or two, I copy it to Windows and print it on Windows. I'm presently using Nuance PDF Reader on Win 7, because of the risk of infection from Adobe, but either way, pdfs print quickly on Win. This is admittedly a slower machine, put not *that* slower! (A 250 page manual took about 5 hours on this Linux machine.) --doug -- Blessed are the peacekeepers...for they shall be shot at from both sides. --A. M. Greeley -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 3:38 PM, Doug <dmcgarrett@optonline.net> wrote:
On 05/15/2011 03:01 PM, John E. Perry wrote:
I just tried several times to print a landscape-oriented black-and-white pdf document (http://www.rev-a-shelf.com/Common/FileFetch.aspx?FileName=I-5PSP15-CR-R.pdf) from Okular. I wanted to print the second of the two-page document; I tried gray-scale and color modes.
The document comes out portrait, reversed black-and-white. The printer is an hpC6380, with up-to-date suse 11.4, kde 4.6.0 release 6. I've kept the default environment throughout except for Packman and vlc. Printing the same document from Firefox in my wife's xp on a different computer results in a perfect page.
Any ideas?
John Perry
I have Adobe Reader 9.3 installed as a Firefox plug-in, on pclos, and it printed the two pages of your file perfectly. I have had problems with Okular before, and I don't try to use it. I find that printing .pdfs from Linux is quite slow, and if I really need a .pdf that's more than a page or two, I copy it to Windows and print it on Windows. I'm presently using Nuance PDF Reader on Win 7, because of the risk of infection from Adobe, but either way, pdfs print quickly on Win. This is admittedly a slower machine, put not *that* slower! (A 250 page manual took about 5 hours on this Linux machine.) --doug
Sadly agreed, Okular and printing don't go well together. Bugs and slowness both are issues. I don't notice searchable pdf's printing all that much slower, but scanned PDFs take minutes per page. fyi: I know I participated in a portrait / landscape bugzilla. I don't know for sure if slow printing has been reported. Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 05/15/2011 03:38 PM, Doug pecked at the keyboard and wrote:
I just tried several times to print a landscape-oriented black-and-white pdf document (http://www.rev-a-shelf.com/Common/FileFetch.aspx?FileName=I-5PSP15-CR-R.pdf) from Okular. I wanted to print the second of the two-page document; I tried gray-scale and color modes.
The document comes out portrait, reversed black-and-white. The printer is an hpC6380, with up-to-date suse 11.4, kde 4.6.0 release 6. I've kept the default environment throughout except for Packman and vlc. Printing the same document from Firefox in my wife's xp on a different computer results in a perfect page.
Any ideas?
John Perry I have Adobe Reader 9.3 installed as a Firefox plug-in, on pclos, and it
On 05/15/2011 03:01 PM, John E. Perry wrote: printed the two pages of your file perfectly. I have had problems with Okular before, and I don't try to use it. I find that printing .pdfs from Linux is quite slow, and if I really need a .pdf that's more than a page or two, I copy it to Windows and print it on Windows. I'm presently using Nuance PDF Reader on Win 7, because of the risk of infection from Adobe, but either way, pdfs print quickly on Win. This is admittedly a slower machine, put not *that* slower! (A 250 page manual took about 5 hours on this Linux machine.) --doug
I have to agree here, printing multiple copies even from Adobe Reader in linux is dog slow on large documents (ones with many pictures). I print a tri-fold brochure for a non-profit that has been taking forever but now with Nuance it spits out one page after another without hesitation. This on a Xerox 6180DN w/640MB of ram. Thanks for the tip Doug. -- Ken Schneider SuSe since Version 5.2, June 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-05-16 00:39, Ken Schneider - openSUSE wrote:
(A 250 page manual took about 5 hours on this Linux machine.)
I have to agree here, printing multiple copies even from Adobe Reader in linux is dog slow on large documents (ones with many pictures).
Sometimes I print to ps from acrobat, in linux, then use ps2ps to clean it out. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2 x86_64 "Emerald" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk3QdD8ACgkQtTMYHG2NR9W53ACeMoX9TEmH0IhvsfEF4E7kvlHU nrQAoIndpzVaRTqTz/cx/kFRdHUZ5SGL =5rmy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Hello, On May 15 15:01 John E. Perry wrote (excerpt):
I just tried several times to print a landscape-oriented black-and-white pdf document (http://www.rev-a-shelf.com/Common/FileFetch.aspx?FileName=I-5PSP15-CR-R.pdf) from Okular. I wanted to print the second of the two-page document; I tried gray-scale and color modes.
The document comes out portrait, reversed black-and-white. The printer is an hpC6380, with up-to-date suse 11.4, kde 4.6.0 release 6.
Have a look at https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=681071#c4 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ only if I activate "force rastering" in the okular-print-dialog for my pdf document, the hole document is color-inverted. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=686195#c4 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Okular print orientation by default is Landscape! So I must every time use workaroud by changing properties of printing settings to Portrait ------------------------------------------------------------------------ For details, see the whole bug reports. Kind Regards Johannes Meixner -- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH -- Maxfeldstrasse 5 -- 90409 Nuernberg -- Germany HRB 16746 (AG Nuernberg) GF: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Felix Imendoerffer -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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