[opensuse] Kernel 2.6.23 release today. Likelyhood of openSUSE 10.3 Build Service?
What's the changes of us getting a suse built build service for the 2.6.23 kernel to help utilize the new scheduler? I am not talking about Vanilla Kernel, but a suse built kernel? Thanks -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Oct 9 2007 20:45, Ben Kevan wrote:
What's the changes of us getting a suse built build service for the 2.6.23 kernel to help utilize the new scheduler?
chances -> not gonna happen too soon I presume (based on previous evidence). 10.3 got delivered with a fairly recent kernel (2.6.22), so it might come that 2.6.24 is the first to appear on the suse side. This is how it happened with 2.6.18(10.2)->2.6.20. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 10/10/07, Jan Engelhardt <jengelh@computergmbh.de> wrote:
On Oct 9 2007 20:45, Ben Kevan wrote:
What's the changes of us getting a suse built build service for the 2.6.23 kernel to help utilize the new scheduler?
chances -> not gonna happen too soon I presume (based on previous evidence). 10.3 got delivered with a fairly recent kernel (2.6.22), so it might come that 2.6.24 is the first to appear on the suse side. This is how it happened with 2.6.18(10.2)->2.6.20.
Are you saying that you don't expect a KOTD with 2.6.23? I certainly don't expect an official kernel update. SuSE has not done that in the years I've been using it, but KOTD or equivalent releases have always used relatively current kernels. Can't say I've paid that much attention just after a new distro release. Greg -- Greg Freemyer Litigation Triage Solutions Specialist http://www.linkedin.com/in/gregfreemyer The Norcross Group The Intersection of Evidence & Technology http://www.norcrossgroup.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Oct 10 2007 09:08, Greg Freemyer wrote:
On 10/10/07, Jan Engelhardt <jengelh@computergmbh.de> wrote:
On Oct 9 2007 20:45, Ben Kevan wrote:
What's the changes of us getting a suse built build service for the 2.6.23 kernel to help utilize the new scheduler?
chances -> not gonna happen too soon I presume (based on previous evidence). 10.3 got delivered with a fairly recent kernel (2.6.22), so it might come that 2.6.24 is the first to appear on the suse side. This is how it happened with 2.6.18(10.2)->2.6.20.
Are you saying that you don't expect a KOTD with 2.6.23?
Based upon previous proceedings, correct. But Greg KH and Jeff Mahoney just announced it, so, looks like my statistics have all been invalidated ^_^. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Jan Engelhardt wrote:
On Oct 9 2007 20:45, Ben Kevan wrote:
What's the changes of us getting a suse built build service for the 2.6.23 kernel to help utilize the new scheduler?
chances -> not gonna happen too soon I presume (based on previous evidence). 10.3 got delivered with a fairly recent kernel (2.6.22), so it might come that 2.6.24 is the first to appear on the suse side. This is how it happened with 2.6.18(10.2)->2.6.20.
A bit off-topic Jan: Are you planning on continuing building kernel RPMS with the ccj patchset for _10.2_ in the future, or will you be focusing on 10.3 ? Best regards -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 10 October 2007 06:35:31 am Sylvester Lykkehus wrote:
Jan Engelhardt wrote:
On Oct 9 2007 20:45, Ben Kevan wrote:
What's the changes of us getting a suse built build service for the 2.6.23 kernel to help utilize the new scheduler?
chances -> not gonna happen too soon I presume (based on previous evidence). 10.3 got delivered with a fairly recent kernel (2.6.22), so it might come that 2.6.24 is the first to appear on the suse side. This is how it happened with 2.6.18(10.2)->2.6.20.
A bit off-topic Jan: Are you planning on continuing building kernel RPMS with the ccj patchset for _10.2_ in the future, or will you be focusing on 10.3 ?
Best regards
Ok, if it doesn't seem that 2.6.23 will be released as a build service for 10.3, will the Scheduler Patch be allied and updated to the 2.6.22 branch? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, Oct 10, 2007 at 09:14:55AM -0700, Ben Kevan wrote:
On Wednesday 10 October 2007 06:35:31 am Sylvester Lykkehus wrote:
Jan Engelhardt wrote:
On Oct 9 2007 20:45, Ben Kevan wrote:
What's the changes of us getting a suse built build service for the 2.6.23 kernel to help utilize the new scheduler?
chances -> not gonna happen too soon I presume (based on previous evidence). 10.3 got delivered with a fairly recent kernel (2.6.22), so it might come that 2.6.24 is the first to appear on the suse side. This is how it happened with 2.6.18(10.2)->2.6.20.
A bit off-topic Jan: Are you planning on continuing building kernel RPMS with the ccj patchset for _10.2_ in the future, or will you be focusing on 10.3 ?
Best regards
Ok, if it doesn't seem that 2.6.23 will be released as a build service for 10.3, will the Scheduler Patch be allied and updated to the 2.6.22 branch?
I do not think so. Ciao, Marcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Oct 10 2007 15:35, Sylvester Lykkehus wrote:
Jan Engelhardt wrote:
On Oct 9 2007 20:45, Ben Kevan wrote:
What's the changes of us getting a suse built build service for the 2.6.23 kernel to help utilize the new scheduler?
chances -> not gonna happen too soon I presume (based on previous evidence). 10.3 got delivered with a fairly recent kernel (2.6.22), so it might come that 2.6.24 is the first to appear on the suse side. This is how it happened with 2.6.18(10.2)->2.6.20.
A bit off-topic Jan: Are you planning on continuing building kernel RPMS with the ccj patchset for _10.2_ in the future, or will you be focusing on 10.3 ?
Why, can't upgrade to 10.3? :p Since rebuilding is cheap, that is an option. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 10 October 2007 02:28:24 pm Jan Engelhardt wrote:
On Oct 10 2007 15:35, Sylvester Lykkehus wrote:
Jan Engelhardt wrote:
On Oct 9 2007 20:45, Ben Kevan wrote:
What's the changes of us getting a suse built build service for the 2.6.23 kernel to help utilize the new scheduler?
chances -> not gonna happen too soon I presume (based on previous evidence). 10.3 got delivered with a fairly recent kernel (2.6.22), so it might come that 2.6.24 is the first to appear on the suse side. This is how it happened with 2.6.18(10.2)->2.6.20.
A bit off-topic Jan: Are you planning on continuing building kernel RPMS with the ccj patchset for _10.2_ in the future, or will you be focusing on 10.3 ?
Why, can't upgrade to 10.3? :p Since rebuilding is cheap, that is an option.
Wow, I really think it is a big mistake to disregard 2.6.23.. I have the vanilla installed now on my Dell D820.. and I LOVE it.. Still have to test the Wireless tonight when I am at home.. But it seems quite a bit faster, and responsive. Ben -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Ben Kevan wrote:
I really think it is a big mistake to disregard 2.6.23..
I have the vanilla installed now on my Dell D820.. and I LOVE it.. Still have to test the Wireless tonight when I am at home.. But it seems quite a bit faster, and responsive.
Agreed - I installed 2.6.23 on my 10.2 system, and with some sysctl tweaking, my quake 3 arena score (playing against others on the internet) is off the heazy. Joe -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Ben Kevan wrote:
What's the changes of us getting a suse built build service for the 2.6.23 kernel to help utilize the new scheduler? I am not talking about Vanilla Kernel, but a suse built kernel?
FYI, I'm running the vanilla 2.6.23 on my 10.2 desktop, and it seems quite nice - as long as you don't mind doing without drbd and apparmor, the vanilla kernel works fine - otherwise you could patch it by hand if need be. Joe -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 10 October 2007 09:54:13 am Sloan wrote:
Ben Kevan wrote:
What's the changes of us getting a suse built build service for the 2.6.23 kernel to help utilize the new scheduler? I am not talking about Vanilla Kernel, but a suse built kernel?
FYI, I'm running the vanilla 2.6.23 on my 10.2 desktop, and it seems quite nice - as long as you don't mind doing without drbd and apparmor, the vanilla kernel works fine - otherwise you could patch it by hand if need be.
Joe
Do you know where you can download the SUSE Patches? I was under the impression they were not avaliable. Also, yeah, I think I am going to go ahead with the Vanilla.. Now I just gotta brush up on my Kernel skills.. I've loved the patched stuff from SUSE, but I think .23 has enough changes for me to give it a go. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, Oct 10, 2007 at 10:11:48AM -0700, Ben Kevan wrote:
On Wednesday 10 October 2007 09:54:13 am Sloan wrote:
Ben Kevan wrote:
What's the changes of us getting a suse built build service for the 2.6.23 kernel to help utilize the new scheduler? I am not talking about Vanilla Kernel, but a suse built kernel?
FYI, I'm running the vanilla 2.6.23 on my 10.2 desktop, and it seems quite nice - as long as you don't mind doing without drbd and apparmor, the vanilla kernel works fine - otherwise you could patch it by hand if need be.
Joe
Do you know where you can download the SUSE Patches? I was under the impression they were not avaliable.
Also, yeah, I think I am going to go ahead with the Vanilla.. Now I just gotta brush up on my Kernel skills.. I've loved the patched stuff from SUSE, but I think .23 has enough changes for me to give it a go.
I guess that openSUSE Factory at one point in time will upgrade to 2.6.23. Perhaps ask on opensuse-kernel (cced). Ciao, Marcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Ben Kevan wrote:
Do you know where you can download the SUSE Patches? I was under the impression they were not avaliable.
That I'm not sure about - I'd guess you could extract them from the kernel source rpm.
Also, yeah, I think I am going to go ahead with the Vanilla.. Now I just gotta brush up on my Kernel skills.. I've loved the patched stuff from SUSE, but I think .23 has enough changes for me to give it a go.
It was fairly easy to leverage suse features to move to the new kernel. make cloneconfig save .config file install new kernel source copy .config to new kernel src dir make oldconfig make make modules_install make install Boot into 2.6.23 - Joe -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 10/10/07, Sloan <joe@tmsusa.com> wrote:
Ben Kevan wrote:
Do you know where you can download the SUSE Patches? I was under the impression they were not avaliable.
That I'm not sure about - I'd guess you could extract them from the kernel source rpm.
Also, yeah, I think I am going to go ahead with the Vanilla.. Now I just gotta brush up on my Kernel skills.. I've loved the patched stuff from SUSE, but I think .23 has enough changes for me to give it a go.
It was fairly easy to leverage suse features to move to the new kernel.
make cloneconfig save .config file install new kernel source copy .config to new kernel src dir make oldconfig make make modules_install make install
Boot into 2.6.23 -
Joe
That preserves the SUSE config, but it loses all the SUSE kernel patches. As an example the SATA-PMP patches are in the suse kernel, but not in 2.6.23. That patchset along is a couple thousand lines of source (iirc). Greg -- Greg Freemyer Litigation Triage Solutions Specialist http://www.linkedin.com/in/gregfreemyer The Norcross Group The Intersection of Evidence & Technology http://www.norcrossgroup.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Greg Freemyer wrote:
On 10/10/07, Sloan <joe@tmsusa.com> wrote:
It was fairly easy to leverage suse features to move to the new kernel.
make cloneconfig save .config file install new kernel source copy .config to new kernel src dir make oldconfig make make modules_install make install
Boot into 2.6.23 -
That preserves the SUSE config, but it loses all the SUSE kernel patches.
As an example the SATA-PMP patches are in the suse kernel, but not in 2.6.23. That patchset along is a couple thousand lines of source (iirc).
Indeed, all the usual caveats apply - my main workstation is fairly generic, and the vanilla kernel works. intel mobo, intel video, intel networking etc. Those with exotic hardware or 3rd party drivers would have more work to do - so don't nuke the original kernel and leave yourself up the creek in case of problems. Joe -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Ben Kevan wrote:
Do you know where you can download the SUSE Patches? I was under the impression they were not avaliable.
FWIW cfs is available as a patch to 2.6.22 - I haven't tried to patch the suse kernel with this, but it should be possible, with perhaps some manual patching required in the event of conficts due to the suse patches to 2.6.22. Joe -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 10/10/07, Ben Kevan <ben.kevan@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday 10 October 2007 09:54:13 am Sloan wrote:
Ben Kevan wrote:
What's the changes of us getting a suse built build service for the 2.6.23 kernel to help utilize the new scheduler? I am not talking about Vanilla Kernel, but a suse built kernel?
FYI, I'm running the vanilla 2.6.23 on my 10.2 desktop, and it seems quite nice - as long as you don't mind doing without drbd and apparmor, the vanilla kernel works fine - otherwise you could patch it by hand if need be.
Joe
Do you know where you can download the SUSE Patches? I was under the impression they were not avaliable.
I'm almost positive they are in the kernel source rpm. (Possibly in a specfile?). It has been a few years, but I have previously installed the kernel source rpm and gotten it to compile/install. Then patched in a few other patches. It was not too difficult of a process. OTOH, I suspect extracting all the patches and then applying them to a newer kernel might be a fairly major effort. ie. You will likely get lots of rejects that have to manually applied. I would not venture there unless you know for sure that the factory team is not going to release a 2.6.23 kotd, etc. Greg -- Greg Freemyer Litigation Triage Solutions Specialist http://www.linkedin.com/in/gregfreemyer The Norcross Group The Intersection of Evidence & Technology http://www.norcrossgroup.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Ben Kevan wrote:
On Wednesday 10 October 2007 09:54:13 am Sloan wrote:
What's the changes of us getting a suse built build service for the 2.6.23 kernel to help utilize the new scheduler? I am not talking about Vanilla Kernel, but a suse built kernel? FYI, I'm running the vanilla 2.6.23 on my 10.2 desktop, and it seems quite nice - as long as you don't mind doing without drbd and apparmor,
Ben Kevan wrote: the vanilla kernel works fine - otherwise you could patch it by hand if need be.
Joe
Do you know where you can download the SUSE Patches? I was under the impression they were not avaliable.
You can always get the SUSE patches from their source RPM as in: ftp://suse.mirrors.tds.net/pub/opensuse/distribution/10.3/repo/src-oss/suse/src/kernel-source-2.6.22.5-31.src.rpm Getting them to apply cleanly to a different version of the kernel, like someone else has pointed out, is a different matter.
Also, yeah, I think I am going to go ahead with the Vanilla.. Now I just gotta brush up on my Kernel skills.. I've loved the patched stuff from SUSE, but I think .23 has enough changes for me to give it a go.
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