[opensuse] okular sucks
I have to vent my anger and frustration somewhere ..... okular really does not cut it for office work. For a whole hour now I've been trying to get it to print a PDF document with stamps on C5 envelopes, but without success. With Acrobat Reader this was no big deal, done in 5 minutes. With Okular, either I get nothing, something in the wrong format (wasted envelopes) or the job hangs in cups as "pending". I was aiming at getting a stack of invoices to the postoffice before it closes at 18, fat chance. Arrrggh! -- Per Jessen, Zürich (28.5°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - dedicated server rental in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 14/07/2015 17:51, Per Jessen a écrit :
I have to vent my anger and frustration somewhere ..... okular really does not cut it for office work. For a whole hour now I've been trying to get it to print a PDF document with stamps on C5 envelopes, but without success. With Acrobat Reader this was no big deal, done in 5 minutes. With Okular, either I get nothing, something in the wrong format (wasted envelopes) or the job hangs in cups as "pending". I was aiming at getting a stack of invoices to the postoffice before it closes at 18, fat chance.
Arrrggh!
kpdf is the utility that works the best for me as printing jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 07/14/2015 12:00 PM, jdd wrote:
kpdf is the utility that works the best for me as printing
Is there a KDE4 version somewhere? -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 14/07/2015 19:33, Anton Aylward a écrit :
On 07/14/2015 12:00 PM, jdd wrote:
kpdf is the utility that works the best for me as printing
Is there a KDE4 version somewhere?
probably not, but the kde3 version works like a charm jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 07/14/2015 02:09 PM, jdd wrote:
Le 14/07/2015 19:33, Anton Aylward a écrit :
On 07/14/2015 12:00 PM, jdd wrote:
kpdf is the utility that works the best for me as printing
Is there a KDE4 version somewhere?
probably not, but the kde3 version works like a charm
Loading all of the KDE3 libraries just to run that one app seems like getting WINE running just to run DIR. Is kpdf really that tied to kde3 that no-one could convert it to kde4? -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 15/07/2015 01:16, Anton Aylward a écrit :
Is kpdf really that tied to kde3 that no-one could convert it to kde4?
dpn't know, may be because if it works don't fix it? jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 07/14/2015 01:09 PM, jdd wrote:
Le 14/07/2015 19:33, Anton Aylward a écrit :
On 07/14/2015 12:00 PM, jdd wrote:
kpdf is the utility that works the best for me as printing
Is there a KDE4 version somewhere?
probably not, but the kde3 version works like a charm
jdd
+1 I just spent the past week slicing and dicing an appellate brief together. All caselaw is now primarily downloadable in pdf. With kde3/kpdf it was trivial to select the needed text, paste into kwrite (ctrl+j) to join the line, then into openOffice --> done. Never had a problem printing from kpdf, or kprinter. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 07/19/2015 11:03 AM, David C. Rankin wrote:
On 07/14/2015 01:09 PM, jdd wrote:
Le 14/07/2015 19:33, Anton Aylward a écrit :
On 07/14/2015 12:00 PM, jdd wrote:
kpdf is the utility that works the best for me as printing
Is there a KDE4 version somewhere?
probably not, but the kde3 version works like a charm
I just spent the past week slicing and dicing an appellate brief together. All caselaw is now primarily downloadable in pdf. With kde3/kpdf it was trivial to select the needed text, paste into kwrite (ctrl+j) to join the line, then into openOffice --> done.
pdftotext outputs ascii and may work better for large documents. I've used pdftk to good advantage too. It's the Swiss Army Knife for pdfs. Use command-line tools to dazzle your Windows friends and impress the girls! Regards, Lew -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Anton Aylward composed on 2015-07-14 13:33 (UTC-0400):
jdd wrote:
kpdf is the utility that works the best for me as printing
Is there a KDE4 version somewhere?
KDE3 and TDE versions can be run in KDE4, but otherwise, no: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Okular -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 07/14/2015 03:15 PM, Felix Miata wrote:
Anton Aylward composed on 2015-07-14 13:33 (UTC-0400):
jdd wrote:
kpdf is the utility that works the best for me as printing
Is there a KDE4 version somewhere?
KDE3 and TDE versions can be run in KDE4, but otherwise, no: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Okular
Okular may suck, but to date I haven't pushed it to the point where I'm faced with bricks and only have straw. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 07/14/2015 06:00 PM, jdd wrote:
Le 14/07/2015 17:51, Per Jessen a écrit :
I have to vent my anger and frustration somewhere ..... okular really does not cut it for office work. For a whole hour now I've been trying to get it to print a PDF document with stamps on C5 envelopes, but without success. With Acrobat Reader this was no big deal, done in 5 minutes. With Okular, either I get nothing, something in the wrong format (wasted envelopes) or the job hangs in cups as "pending". I was aiming at getting a stack of invoices to the postoffice before it closes at 18, fat chance.
Arrrggh!
kpdf is the utility that works the best for me as printing
jdd
Evince is the most stable (it's GTK and I use KDE3-suse desktop). Dsant -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Per Jessen wrote:
I have to vent my anger and frustration somewhere ..... okular really does not cut it for office work. For a whole hour now I've been trying to get it to print a PDF document with stamps on C5 envelopes, but without success. With Acrobat Reader this was no big deal, done in 5 minutes. With Okular, either I get nothing, something in the wrong format (wasted envelopes) or the job hangs in cups as "pending".
Can anyone explain what this "pending" status means? I've restarted cups once or twice, but every printjob we send ends up in "pending" status. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (28.8°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - dedicated server rental in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2015-07-14 18:22, Per Jessen wrote:
Per Jessen wrote:
I have to vent my anger and frustration somewhere ..... okular really does not cut it for office work. For a whole hour now I've been trying to get it to print a PDF document with stamps on C5 envelopes, but without success. With Acrobat Reader this was no big deal, done in 5 minutes.
I still use acroread. I see no alternative for certain jobs :-( (with an apparmour profile to confine it) Incidentally, I test envelope printing using A4 paper cut to envelope size ;-)
With Okular, either I get nothing, something in the wrong format (wasted envelopes) or the job hangs in cups as "pending".
Can anyone explain what this "pending" status means? I've restarted cups once or twice, but every printjob we send ends up in "pending" status.
No, restarting cups has no effect, as jobs are not deleted. You need to, either in the web interface or via CLI, to delete those pending jobs. Try "lpq" or "lpq -a". - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlWlOkAACgkQja8UbcUWM1wTBwD+Mf8eHmxsaQ4QB5NRsTgR6Zmz TH/dmF2BwT3acEpmm9EBAIhExphNkVPsVAxDNzp8KsVmpWjzNdcS/8wmJ4FN3YYi =TXnB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. wrote:
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On 2015-07-14 18:22, Per Jessen wrote:
Per Jessen wrote:
I have to vent my anger and frustration somewhere ..... okular really does not cut it for office work. For a whole hour now I've been trying to get it to print a PDF document with stamps on C5 envelopes, but without success. With Acrobat Reader this was no big deal, done in 5 minutes.
I still use acroread. I see no alternative for certain jobs :-(
Yeah, I'm beginning to agree. I just wanted to give Okular a chance after that lengthy discussion we had last year (I think it was). It's been working okay sofar, with a few annoying quirks.
Incidentally, I test envelope printing using A4 paper cut to envelope size ;-)
I dont't need to, envelopes are standard sizes (in my case C5). Sure, for new stuff I would also runs some test runs, but we've been printing stamps on envelopes for 4-5 years.
With Okular, either I get nothing, something in the wrong format (wasted envelopes) or the job hangs in cups as "pending".
Can anyone explain what this "pending" status means? I've restarted cups once or twice, but every printjob we send ends up in "pending" status.
No, restarting cups has no effect, as jobs are not deleted. You need to, either in the web interface or via CLI, to delete those pending jobs.
Sure, been there, done that. Right now, anything I print goes into "pending".
Try "lpq" or "lpq -a".
Shows "no entries". -- Per Jessen, Zürich (28.5°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - your free DNS host, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2015-07-14 18:48, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
I still use acroread. I see no alternative for certain jobs :-(
Yeah, I'm beginning to agree. I just wanted to give Okular a chance after that lengthy discussion we had last year (I think it was). It's been working okay sofar, with a few annoying quirks.
Viewing and printing usually works. But invoices and such, where one needs to verify the signature, requires Acroread. Forms work partially. Some complicated pages, perhaps with security features as perhaps stamps (guessing here) maybe not.
Incidentally, I test envelope printing using A4 paper cut to envelope size ;-)
I dont't need to, envelopes are standard sizes (in my case C5). Sure, for new stuff I would also runs some test runs, but we've been printing stamps on envelopes for 4-5 years.
Not today .-P Sorry, couldn't resist.
No, restarting cups has no effect, as jobs are not deleted. You need to, either in the web interface or via CLI, to delete those pending jobs.
Sure, been there, done that. Right now, anything I print goes into "pending".
Try "lpq" or "lpq -a".
Shows "no entries".
Ow? Strange. Did you check CUPS logs? - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlWlQAQACgkQja8UbcUWM1yBlAEAgMf2x9XOaQ1mP1wMOoFMAuuM 1Tk3QuZOuS4PsPp1ou8A/0N14feP5SxjnTVsiUkKpoKWoQrzKM7/P2POrLTMDE/W =ctDo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. wrote:
Incidentally, I test envelope printing using A4 paper cut to envelope size ;-)
I dont't need to, envelopes are standard sizes (in my case C5). Sure, for new stuff I would also runs some test runs, but we've been printing stamps on envelopes for 4-5 years.
Not today .-P
Sorry, couldn't resist.
Haha, thanks for the dark humour, it actually lifted the mood a bit!
No, restarting cups has no effect, as jobs are not deleted. You need to, either in the web interface or via CLI, to delete those pending jobs.
Sure, been there, done that. Right now, anything I print goes into "pending".
Try "lpq" or "lpq -a".
Shows "no entries".
Ow? Strange. Did you check CUPS logs?
Yeah, the error_log seems to be growing steadily and wrapping occasioanlly, but there's nothing that indicates what might be wrong. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (28.2°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - dedicated server rental in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2015-07-14 19:19, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
Sorry, couldn't resist.
Haha, thanks for the dark humour, it actually lifted the mood a bit!
We all have been in similar situation, fighting the impossible ;-)
Try "lpq" or "lpq -a".
Shows "no entries".
Ow? Strange. Did you check CUPS logs?
Yeah, the error_log seems to be growing steadily and wrapping occasioanlly, but there's nothing that indicates what might be wrong.
It is starting to look as if cups or the driver is choking on the file, someplace, and some process waits for ever for the stuff to send to the printer. Very wild guess on my part. The logs should say :-? - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlWlRU8ACgkQja8UbcUWM1x8MgD9G5wsw10kuG9PHg5G0hqRmuTf B+nGpmaDAXEhzzNd87EA/iwqBKgIusRI0X/mVlyuEKz9fUES/NoYHJTK44YJD00j =Zgza -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 7/14/2015 10:22 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
It is starting to look as if cups or the driver is choking on the file, someplace, and some process waits for ever for the stuff to send to the printer. Very wild guess on my part. The logs should say :-?
- -- Cheers / Saludos,
Do not discount the possibility that the printer (if network attached) has lost it's IP, but cups still sees that IP as active for some reason but it doesn't respond so cups decides it is un-ready. I had this exact situation week before last, and needed to reboot the printer all the way from power off, then restart cups. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 07/14/2015 12:22 PM, Per Jessen wrote:
Can anyone explain what this "pending" status means? I've restarted cups once or twice, but every printjob we send ends up in "pending" status.
Maybe. It seems to me, to occur on on my system, when the print queue manager ask the printer "can you print this?" and the printer says "no". "Obviously" that will occur with "out of paper", but it seems also to occur when I (mistakenly) ask it to print A4 when it has only 'Letter' loaded. Perhaps my printer has to much smarts :-( Personally I think that a generic print system has problems with overly smart printers. Is there a 'lpstat' option that tell what the message from the printer actually was? Will CUPS handle that? OBTW Per, what is this printer? -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Anton Aylward wrote:
On 07/14/2015 12:22 PM, Per Jessen wrote:
Can anyone explain what this "pending" status means? I've restarted cups once or twice, but every printjob we send ends up in "pending" status.
Maybe. It seems to me, to occur on on my system, when the print queue manager ask the printer "can you print this?" and the printer says "no".
"Obviously" that will occur with "out of paper", but it seems also to occur when I (mistakenly) ask it to print A4 when it has only 'Letter' loaded. Perhaps my printer has to much smarts :-(
Usually a job will just wake up the printer and ask to have the right kind of paper fed in :-)
Personally I think that a generic print system has problems with overly smart printers.
Is there a 'lpstat' option that tell what the message from the printer actually was? Will CUPS handle that?
OBTW Per, what is this printer?
This is a Kyocera CS5015N. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (28.4°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - dedicated server rental in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2015-07-14 18:50, Per Jessen wrote:
Anton Aylward wrote:
OBTW Per, what is this printer?
This is a Kyocera CS5015N.
Does it have a display? Does it say anything? Try restarting it. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlWlQFgACgkQja8UbcUWM1yFQgD/cVesmLCenxJMhdnCUWByPiGt HT1RLL6YkZslWKNMcT0A+wUgG6BBAgzblLEuGIes3Nsp1FCJ6KIAk2EV554nhaIC =98ME -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. wrote:
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On 2015-07-14 18:50, Per Jessen wrote:
Anton Aylward wrote:
OBTW Per, what is this printer?
This is a Kyocera CS5015N.
Does it have a display? Does it say anything?
"Sleeping". :-)
Try restarting it.
I will. Seems like a very Microsofty way of handling it, but if it works .... -- Per Jessen, Zürich (28.2°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - dedicated server rental in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
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On 2015-07-14 18:50, Per Jessen wrote:
Anton Aylward wrote:
OBTW Per, what is this printer?
This is a Kyocera CS5015N.
Does it have a display? Does it say anything?
"Sleeping". :-)
Try restarting it.
I will. Seems like a very Microsofty way of handling it, but if it works ....
Well, unfortunately it didn't. Jobs still go "pending" and nothing prints. The error log is full of this: D [14/Jul/2015:19:47:07 +0200] cupsdReadClient: 13 WAITING Closing on EOF D [14/Jul/2015:19:47:07 +0200] cupsdCloseClient: 13 D [14/Jul/2015:19:47:07 +0200] cupsdSetBusyState: newbusy="Not busy", busy="Not busy" D [14/Jul/2015:19:47:07 +0200] cupsdAcceptClient: 13 from 192.168.3.11:631 (IPv4) D [14/Jul/2015:19:47:07 +0200] cupsdReadClient: 13 POST /printers/Kyocera HTTP/1.1 D [14/Jul/2015:19:47:07 +0200] cupsdSetBusyState: newbusy="Active clients", busy="Not busy" D [14/Jul/2015:19:47:07 +0200] cupsdAuthorize: No authentication data provided. D [14/Jul/2015:19:47:07 +0200] cupsdReadClient: 13 2.0 Get-Job-Attributes 1 D [14/Jul/2015:19:47:07 +0200] Get-Job-Attributes ipp://192.168.2.128:631/printers/Kyocera D [14/Jul/2015:19:47:07 +0200] Returning IPP successful-ok for Get-Job-Attributes (ipp://192.168.2.128:631/printers/Kyocera) from 192.168.3.11 D [14/Jul/2015:19:47:07 +0200] cupsdSetBusyState: newbusy="Not busy", busy="Active clients" D [14/Jul/2015:19:47:07 +0200] cupsdAcceptClient: 14 from 192.168.3.11:631 (IPv4) D [14/Jul/2015:19:47:07 +0200] cupsdReadClient: 14 POST /printers/Kyocera HTTP/1.1 D [14/Jul/2015:19:47:07 +0200] cupsdSetBusyState: newbusy="Active clients", busy="Not busy" D [14/Jul/2015:19:47:07 +0200] cupsdAuthorize: No authentication data provided. D [14/Jul/2015:19:47:07 +0200] cupsdReadClient: 14 2.0 Get-Printer-Attributes 1 D [14/Jul/2015:19:47:07 +0200] Get-Printer-Attributes ipp://192.168.2.128:631/printers/Kyocera D [14/Jul/2015:19:47:07 +0200] Returning IPP successful-ok for Get-Printer-Attributes (ipp://192.168.2.128:631/printers/Kyocera) from 192.168.3.11 D [14/Jul/2015:19:47:07 +0200] cupsdSetBusyState: newbusy="Not busy", busy="Active clients" D [14/Jul/2015:19:47:07 +0200] cupsdReadClient: 14 POST /printers/Kyocera HTTP/1.1 D [14/Jul/2015:19:47:07 +0200] cupsdSetBusyState: newbusy="Active clients", busy="Not busy" D [14/Jul/2015:19:47:07 +0200] cupsdAuthorize: No authentication data provided. D [14/Jul/2015:19:47:07 +0200] cupsdReadClient: 14 2.0 Get-Job-Attributes 1 D [14/Jul/2015:19:47:07 +0200] Get-Job-Attributes ipp://192.168.2.128:631/printers/Kyocera D [14/Jul/2015:19:47:07 +0200] Returning IPP successful-ok for Get-Job-Attributes (ipp://192.168.2.128:631/printers/Kyocera) from 192.168.3.11 D [14/Jul/2015:19:47:07 +0200] cupsdSetBusyState: newbusy="Not busy", busy="Active clients" D [14/Jul/2015:19:47:07 +0200] cupsdReadClient: 14 WAITING Closing on EOF D [14/Jul/2015:19:47:07 +0200] cupsdCloseClient: 14 D [14/Jul/2015:19:47:07 +0200] cupsdSetBusyState: newbusy="Not busy", busy="Not busy" Repeats every 5 seconds or so. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (27.9°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - free dynamic DNS, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2015-07-14 19:54, Per Jessen wrote:
The error log is full of this:
D [14/Jul/2015:19:47:07 +0200] cupsdReadClient: 13 WAITING Closing on EOF D [14/Jul/2015:19:47:07 +0200] cupsdCloseClient: 13 D [14/Jul/2015:19:47:07 +0200] cupsdSetBusyState: newbusy="Not busy", busy="Not busy" D [14/Jul/2015:19:47:07 +0200] cupsdAcceptClient: 13 from 192.168.3.11:631 (IPv4) D [14/Jul/2015:19:47:07 +0200] cupsdReadClient: 13 POST /printers/Kyocera HTTP/1.1 D [14/Jul/2015:19:47:07 +0200] cupsdSetBusyState: newbusy="Active clients", busy="Not busy" D [14/Jul/2015:19:47:07 +0200] cupsdAuthorize: No authentication data provided. D [14/Jul/2015:19:47:07 +0200] cupsdReadClient: 13 2.0 Get-Job-Attributes 1 D [14/Jul/2015:19:47:07 +0200] Get-Job-Attributes ipp://192.168.2.128:631/printers/Kyocera D [14/Jul/2015:19:47:07 +0200] Returning IPP successful-ok for Get-Job-Attributes (ipp://192.168.2.128:631/printers/Kyocera) from 192.168.3.11 D [14/Jul/2015:19:47:07 +0200] cupsdSetBusyState: newbusy="Not busy", busy="Active clients" D [14/Jul/2015:19:47:07 +0200] cupsdAcceptClient: 14 from 192.168.3.11:631 (IPv4) D [14/Jul/2015:19:47:07 +0200] cupsdReadClient: 14 POST /printers/Kyocera HTTP/1.1 D [14/Jul/2015:19:47:07 +0200] cupsdSetBusyState: newbusy="Active clients", busy="Not busy" D [14/Jul/2015:19:47:07 +0200] cupsdAuthorize: No authentication data provided. D [14/Jul/2015:19:47:07 +0200] cupsdReadClient: 14 2.0 Get-Printer-Attributes 1 D [14/Jul/2015:19:47:07 +0200] Get-Printer-Attributes ipp://192.168.2.128:631/printers/Kyocera D [14/Jul/2015:19:47:07 +0200] Returning IPP successful-ok for Get-Printer-Attributes (ipp://192.168.2.128:631/printers/Kyocera) from 192.168.3.11 D [14/Jul/2015:19:47:07 +0200] cupsdSetBusyState: newbusy="Not busy", busy="Active clients" D [14/Jul/2015:19:47:07 +0200] cupsdReadClient: 14 POST /printers/Kyocera HTTP/1.1 D [14/Jul/2015:19:47:07 +0200] cupsdSetBusyState: newbusy="Active clients", busy="Not busy" D [14/Jul/2015:19:47:07 +0200] cupsdAuthorize: No authentication data provided. D [14/Jul/2015:19:47:07 +0200] cupsdReadClient: 14 2.0 Get-Job-Attributes 1 D [14/Jul/2015:19:47:07 +0200] Get-Job-Attributes ipp://192.168.2.128:631/printers/Kyocera D [14/Jul/2015:19:47:07 +0200] Returning IPP successful-ok for Get-Job-Attributes (ipp://192.168.2.128:631/printers/Kyocera) from 192.168.3.11 D [14/Jul/2015:19:47:07 +0200] cupsdSetBusyState: newbusy="Not busy", busy="Active clients" D [14/Jul/2015:19:47:07 +0200] cupsdReadClient: 14 WAITING Closing on EOF D [14/Jul/2015:19:47:07 +0200] cupsdCloseClient: 14 D [14/Jul/2015:19:47:07 +0200] cupsdSetBusyState: newbusy="Not busy", busy="Not busy"
Repeats every 5 seconds or so.
Seems debug output, not errors. I think that CUPS is periodically polling the printer to know its current status. I have doubts about "cupsdReadClient: 14 WAITING Closing on EOF", though. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlWlTTYACgkQja8UbcUWM1xUBwEAhh30aJ7opNLdzgpl55B7qNrN +TxMuMZNeOJ7Val2R0oA/jPv8eOEQeo0gshNujIXexhkgHeVw7t/fvifYOVO2qii =sLgc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. wrote:
192.168.3.11 D [14/Jul/2015:19:47:07 +0200] cupsdSetBusyState: newbusy="Not busy", busy="Active clients" D [14/Jul/2015:19:47:07 +0200] cupsdReadClient: 14 WAITING Closing on EOF D [14/Jul/2015:19:47:07 +0200] cupsdCloseClient: 14 D [14/Jul/2015:19:47:07 +0200] cupsdSetBusyState: newbusy="Not busy", busy="Not busy"
Repeats every 5 seconds or so.
Seems debug output, not errors.
Yup.
I think that CUPS is periodically polling the printer to know its current status.
I have doubts about "cupsdReadClient: 14 WAITING Closing on EOF", though.
I just now went to see the printer status in cups - it says "Paused - "Processing"" ?? I'm trying to find where I go to unpause it. (the printer itself is still "Sleeping") With lpstat -p, it says "disabled" # lpstat -p printer BESR-printer is idle. enabled since Mon 13 Jul 2015 23:12:06 CEST printer Kyocera disabled since Tue 14 Jul 2015 17:36:37 CEST - Processing printer Kyocera2 is idle. enabled since Mon 13 Jul 2015 22:56:12 CEST -- Per Jessen, Zürich (28.1°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - your free DNS host, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 14/07/2015 20:12, Per Jessen a écrit :
I just now went to see the printer status in cups - it says "Paused - "Processing"" ?? I'm trying to find where I go to unpause it. (the printer itself is still "Sleeping")
you can (in cups) stop it then restart it. I had same problem as you have some days ago, it's pretty hard to fix (and too many tentative makes it impossible to know what worked :-() jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2015-07-14 20:12, Per Jessen wrote:
With lpstat -p, it says "disabled"
Ah! Yes, there is a command to re-enable a printer. Also on the web page. cupsdisable, cupsenable - stop/start printers and classes I have not used it in a long time. When a printer has problems, CUPS can automatically disable it till you say it is solved. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlWlUcEACgkQja8UbcUWM1wapAD/YLODDx0BXz5za82pr4zipy7A y84QzJ4E2t5QQ0PJlAQA/RbJF7TnViXR+w15SntFJOP3DrXvqhI8xR+NU9lsMk19 =+0EF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2015-07-14 20:15, Carlos E. R. wrote:
cupsdisable, cupsenable - stop/start printers and classes
Check the man page, there are several options. Like dumping stuck jobs, release pending jobs... - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlWlUiMACgkQja8UbcUWM1yESAD/UdfzYJtlyabXrVmXt7e4+jB5 x1Aa5lC3AWvD3j8otSkA/jjnYGxDNRvJKWmkTnji5zogryeEWKdWK97Gf2b+RShW =Vx9M -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. wrote:
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On 2015-07-14 20:12, Per Jessen wrote:
With lpstat -p, it says "disabled"
Ah! Yes, there is a command to re-enable a printer. Also on the web page.
cupsdisable, cupsenable - stop/start printers and classes
I have not used it in a long time. When a printer has problems, CUPS can automatically disable it till you say it is solved.
I found this about the same time as you posted it - and yes, "cupsenable <printer>" did the trick. The printer is working again. Thanks for everyone's patience, I think you can probably imagine how incredibly frustrating the last 3-4 hours have been. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (25.8°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - dedicated server rental in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2015-07-14 20:56, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
I found this about the same time as you posted it - and yes, "cupsenable <printer>" did the trick. The printer is working again. Thanks for everyone's patience, I think you can probably imagine how incredibly frustrating the last 3-4 hours have been.
Oh, absolutely! - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlWlchcACgkQja8UbcUWM1xRIwD/dwA9WS+WuhuTAfuxbnHlhJyT fVmsHVzev9uL5/VhCwcA/jn3bGPXqQHMTpMaO02b1MAVMwUONdBFa4I3NP7XiwLp =NG3x -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 07/14/2015 08:15 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
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On 2015-07-14 20:12, Per Jessen wrote:
With lpstat -p, it says "disabled" Ah! Yes, there is a command to re-enable a printer. Also on the web page.
cupsdisable, cupsenable - stop/start printers and classes
- -- Cheers / Saludos,
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And if you want to "always automatically re-enable printer" use : lpstat -v : get printer url lpadmin -p <spool> -E -v beh:/1/30/2/<printer url> Dsant, from France -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 15/07/15 03:54, Per Jessen wrote:
Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
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On 2015-07-14 18:50, Per Jessen wrote:
Anton Aylward wrote:
OBTW Per, what is this printer? This is a Kyocera CS5015N. Does it have a display? Does it say anything? "Sleeping". :-)
Try restarting it. I will. Seems like a very Microsofty way of handling it, but if it works .... Well, unfortunately it didn't. Jobs still go "pending" and nothing prints.
[pruned] Some time ago I had a similar problem with one of my printers. The problem lay with the wrong driver being installed. BC -- Using openSUSE 13.2, KDE 4.14.6 & kernel 4.1.1-2 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 07/14/2015 01:54 PM, Per Jessen wrote:
Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
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On 2015-07-14 18:50, Per Jessen wrote:
Anton Aylward wrote:
OBTW Per, what is this printer?
This is a Kyocera CS5015N.
Does it have a display? Does it say anything?
"Sleeping". :-)
Try restarting it.
I will. Seems like a very Microsofty way of handling it, but if it works ....
Well, unfortunately it didn't. Jobs still go "pending" and nothing prints.
The error log is full of this:
D [14/Jul/2015:19:47:07 +0200] cupsdReadClient: 13 WAITING Closing on EOF D [14/Jul/2015:19:47:07 +0200] cupsdCloseClient: 13 D [14/Jul/2015:19:47:07 +0200] cupsdSetBusyState: newbusy="Not busy", busy="Not busy" D [14/Jul/2015:19:47:07 +0200] cupsdAcceptClient: 13 from 192.168.3.11:631 (IPv4) D [14/Jul/2015:19:47:07 +0200] cupsdReadClient: 13 POST /printers/Kyocera HTTP/1.1 D [14/Jul/2015:19:47:07 +0200] cupsdSetBusyState: newbusy="Active clients", busy="Not busy" D [14/Jul/2015:19:47:07 +0200] cupsdAuthorize: No authentication data provided. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Could this be the culprit? -- Ken Schneider SuSe since Version 5.2, June 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Ken Schneider - openSUSE wrote:
On 07/14/2015 01:54 PM, Per Jessen wrote:
Per Jessen wrote: [snip]
The error log is full of this:
D [14/Jul/2015:19:47:07 +0200] cupsdReadClient: 13 WAITING Closing on EOF D [14/Jul/2015:19:47:07 +0200] cupsdCloseClient: 13 D [14/Jul/2015:19:47:07 +0200] cupsdSetBusyState: newbusy="Not busy", busy="Not busy" D [14/Jul/2015:19:47:07 +0200] cupsdAcceptClient: 13 from 192.168.3.11:631 (IPv4) D [14/Jul/2015:19:47:07 +0200] cupsdReadClient: 13 POST /printers/Kyocera HTTP/1.1 D [14/Jul/2015:19:47:07 +0200] cupsdSetBusyState: newbusy="Active clients", busy="Not busy" D [14/Jul/2015:19:47:07 +0200] cupsdAuthorize: No authentication data provided.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Could this be the culprit?
I thought it was a possible too, but as it turned out, the printer _somehow_ got automagically disabled, and had to be manually enabled using "cupsenable" from the command line. Most odd. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (23.2°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - dedicated server rental in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 15/07/15 03:01, Carlos E. R. wrote:
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On 2015-07-14 18:50, Per Jessen wrote:
Anton Aylward wrote:
OBTW Per, what is this printer? This is a Kyocera CS5015N. Does it have a display? Does it say anything?
It's an inanimate object, for pity's sake! It cannot speak! (Couldn't help it.)
Try restarting it.
It still won't speak. (Couldn't help it.) BC -- Using openSUSE 13.2, KDE 4.14.6 & kernel 4.1.1-2 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2015-07-15 09:46, Basil Chupin wrote:
On 15/07/15 03:01, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Does it have a display? Does it say anything?
It's an inanimate object, for pity's sake! It cannot speak!
(Couldn't help it.)
:-) - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlWmP1sACgkQja8UbcUWM1zg+QD5Ad3Mz4aFV8/AnXfaAWZSui30 rH1+B/DOxituhfEj1DsA/R3M/OqFOf4BYdRInX6H3ptOq2SGHl5y6b/memIoxepY =F6r2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 07/15/2015 03:46 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:
It's an inanimate object, for pity's sake! It cannot speak!
(Couldn't help it.)
I'd say "well, that stands to reason" but it doesn't have legs either. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 07/14/2015 12:50 PM, Per Jessen wrote:
Usually a job will just wake up the printer and ask to have the right kind of paper fed in :-)
"ask"? As in .... how does it do that? -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Anton Aylward wrote:
On 07/14/2015 12:50 PM, Per Jessen wrote:
Usually a job will just wake up the printer and ask to have the right kind of paper fed in :-)
"ask"? As in .... how does it do that?
It will beep, display a message and say e.g. "please put envelope C5 in the MPF tray. (multi-purpose-form tray). -- Per Jessen, Zürich (27.9°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - your free DNS host, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 07/14/2015 01:48 PM, Per Jessen wrote:
Anton Aylward wrote:
On 07/14/2015 12:50 PM, Per Jessen wrote:
Usually a job will just wake up the printer and ask to have the right kind of paper fed in :-)
"ask"? As in .... how does it do that?
It will beep, display a message and say e.g. "please put envelope C5 in the MPF tray. (multi-purpose-form tray).
I think it actually stands for Manual-Paper-Feed, That is if it has legs. :-) -- Ken Schneider SuSe since Version 5.2, June 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 07/15/2015 11:49 AM, Ken Schneider - openSUSE wrote:
That is if it has legs.
And as ZZTop said, knows how to use them. I can't imagine a printer tray with legs NOT knowing how to use them ... So if your printer tray goes missing, you'll now know why :-) -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Ken Schneider - openSUSE wrote:
On 07/14/2015 01:48 PM, Per Jessen wrote:
Anton Aylward wrote:
On 07/14/2015 12:50 PM, Per Jessen wrote:
Usually a job will just wake up the printer and ask to have the right kind of paper fed in :-)
"ask"? As in .... how does it do that?
It will beep, display a message and say e.g. "please put envelope C5 in the MPF tray. (multi-purpose-form tray).
I think it actually stands for Manual-Paper-Feed,
You're right about the F, it's "Feeder" - Kyocera calls it a "Multi Purpose Feeder" :-) -- Per Jessen, Zürich (23.3°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - your free DNS host, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
About this point the thread stopped being about Okular and became a matter of CUPs vs Kyocera -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Anton Aylward wrote:
About this point the thread stopped being about Okular and became a matter of CUPs vs Kyocera
As it turned out, the initial problem was indeed caused by okular, cups and kyocera were innocent victims I think. Something okular sent/did made cups disable the printer for which there were no clear indications. It may have been written to the error log, but as that wraps around fairly fast, there's no way of telling. On ly indications available were: - jobs just said "pending" - the printer said "paused - "processing"". Only once I tried "lpstat -p" did I see that the printer had been disabled, and as Carlos found, it needs to be enabled with "cupsenable" from the command line. Anyway, okular took the blame yesterday, even if not entire guilty. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (20.8°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - virtual servers, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Per Jessen composed on 2015-07-14 18:22 (UTC+0200):
Per Jessen wrote:
I have to vent my anger and frustration somewhere ..... okular really does not cut it for office work. For a whole hour now I've been trying to get it to print a PDF document with stamps on C5 envelopes, but without success. With Acrobat Reader this was no big deal, done in 5 minutes. With Okular, either I get nothing, something in the wrong format (wasted envelopes) or the job hangs in cups as "pending".
Can anyone explain what this "pending" status means? I've restarted cups once or twice, but every printjob we send ends up in "pending" status.
IMO it ultimately means CUPS isn't playing nice with your printer driver. Maybe there's a more appropriate driver you could try? Which do you have: OS version? CUPS version? KDE version? Okular version? Printer model? Installed printer driver? Were any of above recently significantly upgraded? (e.g. 13.2 to TW?) -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Felix Miata wrote:
Per Jessen composed on 2015-07-14 18:22 (UTC+0200):
Per Jessen wrote:
I have to vent my anger and frustration somewhere ..... okular really does not cut it for office work. For a whole hour now I've been trying to get it to print a PDF document with stamps on C5 envelopes, but without success. With Acrobat Reader this was no big deal, done in 5 minutes. With Okular, either I get nothing, something in the wrong format (wasted envelopes) or the job hangs in cups as "pending".
Can anyone explain what this "pending" status means? I've restarted cups once or twice, but every printjob we send ends up in "pending" status.
IMO it ultimately means CUPS isn't playing nice with your printer driver. Maybe there's a more appropriate driver you could try? Which do you have:
OS version?
Client = 13.2, server = 12.3
CUPS version? KDE version? Okular version? Printer model? Installed printer driver? Were any of above recently significantly upgraded? (e.g. 13.2 to TW?)
Nah, we don't dabble with TW around here, thyere's work to be done :-) The setup has not changed much, the printserver is 12.3, the clients are a mixture of all sorts. The versions are largely irrelevant, it was all working fine yesterday when the invoices and the BESR slips were printed. The run just couldn't be finished because we ran out of envelopes. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (28.6°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - dedicated server rental in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 07/14/2015 01:14 PM, Per Jessen wrote:
Nah, we don't dabble with TW around here, thyere's work to be done :-) The setup has not changed much, the printserver is 12.3, the clients are a mixture of all sorts.
The versions are largely irrelevant, it was all working fine yesterday when the invoices and the BESR slips were printed. The run just couldn't be finished because we ran out of envelopes.
I've had similar problems spicifically with okular and text books. Really, Okular has some design errors in its attempt to be more than just a PDF reader. I am often just better off with Xpdf -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 07/14/2015 01:14 PM, Per Jessen wrote:
Felix Miata wrote:
Per Jessen composed on 2015-07-14 18:22 (UTC+0200):
Per Jessen wrote:
I have to vent my anger and frustration somewhere ..... okular really does not cut it for office work. For a whole hour now I've been trying to get it to print a PDF document with stamps on C5 envelopes, but without success. With Acrobat Reader this was no big deal, done in 5 minutes. With Okular, either I get nothing, something in the wrong format (wasted envelopes) or the job hangs in cups as "pending".
Can anyone explain what this "pending" status means? I've restarted cups once or twice, but every printjob we send ends up in "pending" status.
IMO it ultimately means CUPS isn't playing nice with your printer driver. Maybe there's a more appropriate driver you could try? Which do you have:
OS version?
Client = 13.2, server = 12.3
CUPS version? KDE version? Okular version? Printer model? Installed printer driver? Were any of above recently significantly upgraded? (e.g. 13.2 to TW?)
Nah, we don't dabble with TW around here, thyere's work to be done :-) The setup has not changed much, the printserver is 12.3, the clients are a mixture of all sorts.
The versions are largely irrelevant, it was all working fine yesterday when the invoices and the BESR slips were printed. The run just couldn't be finished because we ran out of envelopes.
As they would say on "MythBusters": "There's your problem" LOL couldn't resist. -- Ken Schneider SuSe since Version 5.2, June 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Per Jessen <per@computer.org> írta:
I have to vent my anger and frustration somewhere ..... okular really does not cut it for office work. For a whole hour now I've been trying to get it to print a PDF document with stamps on C5 envelopes, but without success. With Acrobat Reader this was no big deal, done in 5 minutes. With Okular, either I get nothing, something in the wrong format (wasted envelopes) or the job hangs in cups as "pending". I was aiming at getting a stack of invoices to the postoffice before it closes at 18, fat chance.
Arrrggh!
Can you mention any KDE4 programs that works as expected and is not a regression compared to its KDE3 version? Istvan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 07/14/2015 05:22 PM, Istvan Gabor wrote:
Per Jessen <per@computer.org> írta:
I have to vent my anger and frustration somewhere ..... okular really does not cut it for office work. For a whole hour now I've been trying to get it to print a PDF document with stamps on C5 envelopes, but without success. With Acrobat Reader this was no big deal, done in 5 minutes. With Okular, either I get nothing, something in the wrong format (wasted envelopes) or the job hangs in cups as "pending". I was aiming at getting a stack of invoices to the postoffice before it closes at 18, fat chance.
Arrrggh! Can you mention any KDE4 programs that works as expected and is not a regression compared to its KDE3 version?
Istvan
Not a regression, just different. The things I use work just fine for how I use my computer. Just a bit of a learning curve because of the changes. -- A cat is a puzzle with no solution. Cats are tiny little women in fur coats. When you get all full of yourself try giving orders to a cat. _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 07/14/2015 06:33 PM, Billie Walsh wrote:
Not a regression, just different. The things I use work just fine for how I use my computer. Just a bit of a learning curve because of the changes.
Quite so. I thought I knew Linux ... then i got a an Android cell phone! -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Istvan Gabor composed on 2015-07-15 00:22 (UTC+0200):
Can you mention any KDE4 programs that works as expected and is not a regression compared to its KDE3 version?
I think it depends on who's expecting. For my expectations, rather than upstream devs, these are all I can think of offhand: Konq (in Internet mode at least) KSnapshot (if 4's larger saved file sizes are ignored) KRuler Menu starter (in traditional KDE style mode that works like Win9x) -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 07/14/2015 06:48 PM, Felix Miata wrote:
Istvan Gabor composed on 2015-07-15 00:22 (UTC+0200):
Can you mention any KDE4 programs that works as expected and is not a regression compared to its KDE3 version?
I think it depends on who's expecting. For my expectations, rather than upstream devs, these are all I can think of offhand:
Konq (in Internet mode at least) KSnapshot (if 4's larger saved file sizes are ignored) KRuler Menu starter (in traditional KDE style mode that works like Win9x)
Konsole Klipper I have complaints about the HTML output of BasKet KMyMoney K3B I'm aware of the KDE office suite, and its dependency on Akonadi, but I never use it and never did under KD3. Yes, KDE4 got off to a bad start by 'releasing' what was really an pre-alpha. Well it was one way to do the end-user acceptance and guidance that some of the early "Agile' practitioners tried for ... point, shoot, aim ... release early ... but the 'release often' was in terms of weeks not hours. Now we have a KDE4 that I feel exceed that I had with KDE3. Or put it another way; I wouldn't want to go back to KDE3. My main complaint about using KDE4 has nothing to do with KDE3: its that Thunderbird and Firefox are built for Gnome-friendly libraries rather than the 'qt' KDE-friendly libraries. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 07/14/2015 06:37 PM, Anton Aylward wrote:
Yes, KDE4 got off to a bad start by 'releasing' what was really an pre-alpha. Well it was one way to do the end-user acceptance and guidance that some of the early "Agile' practitioners tried for ... point, shoot, aim ... release early ... but the 'release often' was in terms of weeks not hours.
Now we have a KDE4 that I feel exceed that I had with KDE3. Or put it another way; I wouldn't want to go back to KDE3.
I came to Linux at the time when KDE3 was awesome. I wasn't here for the early days but I heard some horror stories. Seems that KDE3 upset a LOT of people in those early days. Kind of like what happened when KDE4 was dumped. A year or two goes by and now I'm very happy with KDE4, with one or two exceptions which have nothing to do with KDE4 itself. [ other software that didn't keep up ] Now we have Plasma5 (?) and here we go again. There have been some changes and some maybe not the way I like them. But, no one asked me my opinion so A adapt and learn how to use it again. Okular sucks? Well, for me it seems to work great. In fact I load KDE for Windows on my Wndows computer just so I can have Okular and some other bits, like Dolphin. In my opinion Okular is head and shoulders above Acrobat. Just sucks big time that KDE for Windows is no longer being kept up. -- A cat is a puzzle with no solution. Cats are tiny little women in fur coats. When you get all full of yourself try giving orders to a cat. _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 07/14/2015 07:53 PM, Billie Walsh wrote:
On 07/14/2015 06:37 PM, Anton Aylward wrote:
Yes, KDE4 got off to a bad start by 'releasing' what was really an pre-alpha. Well it was one way to do the end-user acceptance and guidance that some of the early "Agile' practitioners tried for ... point, shoot, aim ... release early ... but the 'release often' was in terms of weeks not hours.
Now we have a KDE4 that I feel exceed that I had with KDE3. Or put it another way; I wouldn't want to go back to KDE3.
I came to Linux at the time when KDE3 was awesome. I wasn't here for the early days but I heard some horror stories. Seems that KDE3 upset a LOT of people in those early days. Kind of like what happened when KDE4 was dumped. A year or two goes by and now I'm very happy with KDE4, with one or two exceptions which have nothing to do with KDE4 itself. [ other software that didn't keep up ] Now we have Plasma5 (?) and here we go again.
Not me. I have gotten off of that merry-go-round. -- Ken Schneider SuSe since Version 5.2, June 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Anton Aylward composed on 2015-07-14 19:37 (UTC-0400):
Istvan Gabor composed on 2015-07-15 00:22 (UTC+0200):
Can you mention any KDE4 programs that works as expected and is not a regression compared to its KDE3 version?
Konsole
Far from it. The session menu was dropped along with important selections it contained that have no corrollaries in v4. v4 certainly remains very useful, but not without regression.
K3B
Maybe: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=340248 -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 07/14/2015 07:53 PM, Felix Miata wrote:
Anton Aylward composed on 2015-07-14 19:37 (UTC-0400):
Istvan Gabor composed on 2015-07-15 00:22 (UTC+0200):
Can you mention any KDE4 programs that works as expected and is not a regression compared to its KDE3 version?
Konsole
Far from it. The session menu was dropped along with important selections it contained that have no corrollaries in v4.
Which were ? If they were important _to_ _you_ then you can tell about them.
K3B
An interesting use case but not one that I've had a problem with. You seem to be hanging on /dev/sr1 when it seems the disk in /dev/sr0. Are you copying from "0" to "1" OR taking a copy on "0', ejecting and inserting blank into "0" then copying to "0" ? In different parts you seem to be describing both. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Anton Aylward composed on 2015-07-14 21:49 (UTC-0400):
Felix Miata wrote:
Konsole
Far from it. The session menu was dropped along with important selections it contained that have no corrollaries in v4.
Which were ?
Most (all?) of those that were not migrated to the File menu. I don't need to remember, because v3 automatically remembers last open state, thus does so for me. You just keep on being happy with v4, and I'll keep on being happy using v3 for everyday routine getting things done, and newer for sampling state. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 07/14/2015 10:03 PM, Felix Miata wrote:
Anton Aylward composed on 2015-07-14 21:49 (UTC-0400):
Felix Miata wrote:
Konsole
Far from it. The session menu was dropped along with important selections it contained that have no corrollaries in v4.
Which were ?
Most (all?) of those that were not migrated to the File menu. I don't need to remember, because v3 automatically remembers last open state, thus does so for me.
That's rather ambiguous, so much so that there is no direct response. I've googled for "KDE3 file menu" and found nothing with those quotes. What I do see under images for without those quotes that appear to be KDE3 leave me with the impression with "yes I can do that, just not with the default menu as shipped'. KDE4 relies heavily on widget. panels are widgets; the gecko menu is a widget. All can be changed, edited, inserted, removed, moved elsewhere. Some while ago David Rankin posted about having a mouseover sidepanel that contained the most commonly used of his commands. I tried it. Nice. great illustration of KDE4 widgets, especially as you can play with things a bit more that David showed. But I'm more of a command line type. Yes, there's also the Alt-F1 and the top of the gecko menu if I don't have a konsole open. Finally there are the different types of desktops. I'm conservative in that, but I found I could try them out in different 'activities', something that KDE3 completely lacked. I think the difference between me an the naysayers, be it wrt kde4 or systemd, is that I accept that this is the way of the future and I better explore it and find out how I I can best make use of it rather than trying to deny its existence. I'm glad since I've found some great stuff that the naysayers seem to have overlooked. Sometimes, as with KDE4, there is the same functionality, its just elsewhere in different clothing. Sometimes the added functionality is cleaners, easier. But only if you accept they new paradigms.
You just keep on being happy with v4, and I'll keep on being happy using v3 for everyday routine getting things done, and newer for sampling state.
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Anton Aylward composed on 2015-07-14 22:31 (UTC-0400):
Most (all?) of those that were not migrated to the File menu. I don't need to remember, because v3 automatically remembers last open state, thus does so for me.
That's rather ambiguous, so much so that there is no direct response.
I've googled for "KDE3 file menu" and found nothing with those quotes.
...not migrated from the Konsole3 Session menu to the Konsole4 File menu. Konsole4 eliminated the Session menu. BTW, when I write KDE3, I generally mean both KDE3 and TDE unless I specifically write otherwise. I expect when I'm forced to abandon 13.1 that whatever replaces it will get TDE instead of KDE3, since that is where the greater portion of required development resources seem to go, from and covering multiple distros instead of just one. TDE doesn't seem to have any significant flaws remaining that bother me as of r14.0.x. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 07/14/2015 10:51 PM, Felix Miata wrote:
hat's rather ambiguous, so much so that there is no direct response.
I've googled for "KDE3 file menu" and found nothing with those quotes. ...not migrated from the Konsole3 Session menu to the Konsole4 File menu. Konsole4 eliminated the Session menu.
Is that your only item ? As far as I can see the items that used to be on that menu are either meaningless now or are elsewhere. Like the copy input to all .... to all is now under the edit menu. As for the 'save session'. the session seemes, as far as I can tell, to be saved anyway. At least it get restored exactly when I exit KDE4 and then restart it. you're going to have to be a LOT more specific when you say that KDE3/Konsole lacks things that were in the KDE3 version rather than merely complaining that the menu system has been rearranged. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Anton Aylward composed on 2015-07-15 07:15 (UTC-0400):
Felix Miata wrote:
...not migrated from the Konsole3 Session menu to the Konsole4 File menu. Konsole4 eliminated the Session menu.
Is that your only item ?
It's far more than one item. http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/KDE/konsole3sessionmenu.png
As far as I can see the items that used to be on that menu are either meaningless now or are elsewhere.
Are you sure you're looking at Konsole 3?
Like the copy input to all .... to all is now under the edit menu.
Where do you see "copy input" anything in Konsole 3?
As for the 'save session'. the session seemes, as far as I can tell, to be saved anyway.
At least it get restored exactly when I exit KDE4 and then restart it.
Nope. Konsole 4 may reopen at same size and position with same number of tabs where it was when you logged out, but that falls short of what Konsole 3 does. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 07/15/2015 07:48 AM, Felix Miata wrote:
Anton Aylward composed on 2015-07-15 07:15 (UTC-0400):
Felix Miata wrote:
...not migrated from the Konsole3 Session menu to the Konsole4 File menu. Konsole4 eliminated the Session menu.
Is that your only item ?
It's far more than one item. http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/KDE/konsole3sessionmenu.png
As far as I can see the items that used to be on that menu are either meaningless now or are elsewhere.
Thank you for the illustration. Now I am *sure* that all those items are available elsewhere. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Anton Aylward composed on 2015-07-15 08:20 (UTC-0400):
Felix Miata wrote:
Anton Aylward composed on 2015-07-15 07:15 (UTC-0400):
Felix Miata wrote:
...not migrated from the Konsole3 Session menu to the Konsole4 File menu. Konsole4 eliminated the Session menu.
Is that your only item ?
It's far more than one item. http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/KDE/konsole3sessionmenu.png
As far as I can see the items that used to be on that menu are either meaningless now or are elsewhere.
Thank you for the illustration. Now I am *sure* that all those items are available elsewhere.
I'd like to know where you found them. I found approximately one and two halves of those in http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/KDE/konsole3sessionmenu.png in any of http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/KDE/konsole5filemenu1507.png http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/KDE/konsole5editmenu1507.png http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/KDE/konsole5viewmenu1507.png http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/KDE/konsole5bookmarksmenu1507.png http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/KDE/konsole5settingsmenu1507.png Why are any of window or tab in a File menu? What is print screen doing all by itself without any other print options in a file menu? Sheesh. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 07/14/2015 05:51 PM, Per Jessen wrote:
I have to vent my anger and frustration somewhere ..... okular really does not cut it for office work. For a whole hour now I've been trying to get it to print a PDF document with stamps on C5 envelopes, but without success. With Acrobat Reader this was no big deal, done in 5 minutes. With Okular, either I get nothing, something in the wrong format (wasted envelopes) or the job hangs in cups as "pending". I was aiming at getting a stack of invoices to the postoffice before it closes at 18, fat chance.
Arrrggh!
Never had a problem with it. Why blame okular? Have you checked the environment (drivers, settings) etc? Tried - using the same environment - other solutions? Frans. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 15/07/2015 09:56, Frans de Boer a écrit :
Never had a problem with it. Why blame okular? Have you checked the environment (drivers, settings) etc? Tried - using the same environment - other solutions?
okular works often well, but also sucks sometime. Try printing very long diocuments, for example (like pdf from html pages), when the good old kpdf works jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Frans de Boer wrote:
On 07/14/2015 05:51 PM, Per Jessen wrote:
I have to vent my anger and frustration somewhere ..... okular really does not cut it for office work. For a whole hour now I've been trying to get it to print a PDF document with stamps on C5 envelopes, but without success. With Acrobat Reader this was no big deal, done in 5 minutes. With Okular, either I get nothing, something in the wrong format (wasted envelopes) or the job hangs in cups as "pending". I was aiming at getting a stack of invoices to the postoffice before it closes at 18, fat chance.
Arrrggh!
Never had a problem with it. Why blame okular?
Well, yesterday okular's printing caused cups to hang up for three hours.
Have you checked the environment (drivers, settings) etc?
Obviously. This is an office environtment, the setup has been working for 4-5 years. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (22.7°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - free dynamic DNS, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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