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* Carlos E. R. <robin.listas@telefonica.net> [09-08-21 08:52]:
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How can I fsck in Linux an ntfs partition?
It is used by a TV set, no windows available here and now.
fsck appears to do nothing, there is no fsck.ntfs that I can see.
- -- Cheers,
Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE Leap 15.2 x86_64 (Minas Tirith))
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ntfs<tab><tab> yields: ntfs-3g ntfscluster ntfsfix ntfsrecover ntfsundelete ntfs-3g.probe ntfscmp ntfsinfo ntfsresize ntfsusermap ntfscat ntfscp ntfslabel ntfssecaudit ntfswipe ntfsclone ntfsdecrypt ntfsls ntfstruncate how well any of those work ??? -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode
On 08/09/2021 15.19, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Carlos E. R. <> [09-08-21 08:52]:
How can I fsck in Linux an ntfs partition?
It is used by a TV set, no windows available here and now.
fsck appears to do nothing, there is no fsck.ntfs that I can see.
ntfs<tab><tab> yields: ntfs-3g ntfscluster ntfsfix ntfsrecover ntfsundelete ntfs-3g.probe ntfscmp ntfsinfo ntfsresize ntfsusermap ntfscat ntfscp ntfslabel ntfssecaudit ntfswipe ntfsclone ntfsdecrypt ntfsls ntfstruncate
how well any of those work ???
I tried that already. ntfsrecover is not it, it seems. Nor ntfsfix. My brute force solution is to dd again the original disk from image backup... -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from oS Leap 15.2 x86_64 (Minas Tirith))
* Carlos E. R. <robin.listas@telefonica.net> [09-08-21 09:28]:
On 08/09/2021 15.19, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Carlos E. R. <> [09-08-21 08:52]:
How can I fsck in Linux an ntfs partition?
It is used by a TV set, no windows available here and now.
fsck appears to do nothing, there is no fsck.ntfs that I can see.
ntfs<tab><tab> yields: ntfs-3g ntfscluster ntfsfix ntfsrecover ntfsundelete ntfs-3g.probe ntfscmp ntfsinfo ntfsresize ntfsusermap ntfscat ntfscp ntfslabel ntfssecaudit ntfswipe ntfsclone ntfsdecrypt ntfsls ntfstruncate
how well any of those work ???
I tried that already. ntfsrecover is not it, it seems. Nor ntfsfix.
your question lacked that information :(
My brute force solution is to dd again the original disk from image backup...
-- Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from oS Leap 15.2 x86_64 (Minas Tirith))
-- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode
On 2021-09-08 09:45, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
your question lacked that information:(
Indeed. What do I neep telling people. I thought Carlos would know better since it is also a point he raises to other questioners. -- “Reality is so complex, we must move away from dogma, whether it’s conspiracy theories or free-market,” -- James Glattfelder. http://jth.ch/jbg
On 09/09/2021 11.44, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 2021-09-08 09:45, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
your question lacked that information:(
Indeed. What do I neep telling people.
I thought Carlos would know better since it is also a point he raises to other questioners.
Yes, but I also ask them to provide the missing information. It is easy to guess what is missing, except by the reporter. Me, I thought it obvious that I would have tried ntfs[tab][tab], I simply forgot to write about it. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from oS Leap 15.2 x86_64 (Minas Tirith))
Le 08/09/2021 à 14:49, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
How can I fsck in Linux an ntfs partition?
AFAIK, you can't but why do you want to do so??
It is used by a TV set, no windows available here and now.
fsck appears to do nothing, there is no fsck.ntfs that I can see.
if ntfsfix don't do the job, who knows please do what you ask the others to do: explain :-)) (yes, I know I also have often this problem :-)) jdd -- http://dodin.org
On 08/09/2021 17.27, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 08/09/2021 à 14:49, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
How can I fsck in Linux an ntfs partition?
AFAIK, you can't
but why do you want to do so??
Because the TV set has been powered off "brutally" at least twice, so chances are it needs a repair.
It is used by a TV set, no windows available here and now.
fsck appears to do nothing, there is no fsck.ntfs that I can see.
if ntfsfix don't do the job, who knows
please do what you ask the others to do: explain :-))
I simply want to checkdisk the partition without windows, if possible. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from oS Leap 15.2 x86_64 (Minas Tirith))
On Wed, 8 Sep 2021 19:16:21 +0200 "Carlos E. R." <robin.listas@telefonica.net> wrote:
On 08/09/2021 17.27, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 08/09/2021 à 14:49, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
How can I fsck in Linux an ntfs partition?
AFAIK, you can't
but why do you want to do so??
Because the TV set has been powered off "brutally" at least twice, so chances are it needs a repair.
Our TV is 'brutally' powered off whenever there's a power cut. And so is our PVR, which has a disk. The PVR is also brutally powered off whenever it becomes unresponsive to its remote, which is more often than I would like. It doesn't seem to suffer from disk problems however. I've always believed that PVRs and suchlike use robust drivers in order to cope with runtime errors and corruption. But if you believe your TV uses NTFS does that imply it also runs Windows? If not it seems a strange choice of filesystem.
It is used by a TV set, no windows available here and now.
fsck appears to do nothing, there is no fsck.ntfs that I can see.
if ntfsfix don't do the job, who knows
please do what you ask the others to do: explain :-))
I simply want to checkdisk the partition without windows, if possible.
On 08/09/2021 19.38, Dave Howorth wrote:
On Wed, 8 Sep 2021 19:16:21 +0200 "Carlos E. R." <robin.listas@telefonica.net> wrote:
On 08/09/2021 17.27, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 08/09/2021 à 14:49, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
How can I fsck in Linux an ntfs partition?
AFAIK, you can't
but why do you want to do so??
Because the TV set has been powered off "brutally" at least twice, so chances are it needs a repair.
Our TV is 'brutally' powered off whenever there's a power cut. And so is our PVR, which has a disk. The PVR is also brutally powered off whenever it becomes unresponsive to its remote, which is more often than I would like.
It doesn't seem to suffer from disk problems however. I've always believed that PVRs and suchlike use robust drivers in order to cope with runtime errors and corruption.
After the first power off, I had the first total freeze of the tv tuner box, while recording and pausing the play. It stopped responding to the remote, even would not respond to the power off button in the box itself. As this is the first such event, I suspect disk trouble.
But if you believe your TV uses NTFS does that imply it also runs Windows? If not it seems a strange choice of filesystem.
I have no idea what it runs. It is an Engel DV3T2 tuner box. I know I read somewhere that it supports NTFS and FAT, but I can not find the information again (I just read the full booklet in Spanish and English). I am certain it does not support exfat, because I formatted the disk as such and it did not recognize the disk. Andrei suggested UDF, so I will try. But there is no fsck.udf either, thus same problem as now. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from oS Leap 15.2 x86_64 (Minas Tirith))
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 08/09/2021 17.27, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 08/09/2021 à 14:49, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
How can I fsck in Linux an ntfs partition?
AFAIK, you can't
but why do you want to do so??
Because the TV set has been powered off "brutally" at least twice, so chances are it needs a repair.
I guess we don't know which OS your telly runs, but for a consumer device that is surely not too unusual, so it ought to cope just fine. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (22.3°C) http://www.cloudsuisse.com/ - your owncloud, hosted in Switzerland.
On 08/09/2021 20.21, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 08/09/2021 17.27, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 08/09/2021 à 14:49, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
How can I fsck in Linux an ntfs partition?
AFAIK, you can't
but why do you want to do so??
Because the TV set has been powered off "brutally" at least twice, so chances are it needs a repair.
I guess we don't know which OS your telly runs, but for a consumer device that is surely not too unusual, so it ought to cope just fine.
But it doesn't, it locked hard. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from oS Leap 15.2 x86_64 (Minas Tirith))
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 08/09/2021 20.21, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 08/09/2021 17.27, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 08/09/2021 à 14:49, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
How can I fsck in Linux an ntfs partition?
AFAIK, you can't
but why do you want to do so??
Because the TV set has been powered off "brutally" at least twice, so chances are it needs a repair.
I guess we don't know which OS your telly runs, but for a consumer device that is surely not too unusual, so it ought to cope just fine.
But it doesn't, it locked hard.
I presume it is out of warranty - otherwise you take it back and get a new one. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (21.9°C) http://www.cloudsuisse.com/ - your owncloud, hosted in Switzerland.
On 08/09/2021 20.53, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 08/09/2021 20.21, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 08/09/2021 17.27, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 08/09/2021 à 14:49, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
How can I fsck in Linux an ntfs partition?
AFAIK, you can't
but why do you want to do so??
Because the TV set has been powered off "brutally" at least twice, so chances are it needs a repair.
I guess we don't know which OS your telly runs, but for a consumer device that is surely not too unusual, so it ought to cope just fine.
But it doesn't, it locked hard.
I presume it is out of warranty - otherwise you take it back and get a new one.
What, return a computer because it locks hard? Have you tried a reboot? A power cycle? Because the TV tuner is that basically, a small computer. When have you seen a computer returned because it locks? Or maybe you thought the disk had locked hard? No, not the disk. But I suspect the disk filesystem being corrupted as the trigger for the TV tuner locking hard. Did I say the TV tuner is crap? -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from oS Leap 15.2 x86_64 (Minas Tirith))
Le 08/09/2021 à 21:33, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
Did I say the TV tuner is crap?
a working android system is only around $30 :-) (I have a spare one if you want it?) :-) jdd -- http://dodin.org
On 08/09/2021 22.28, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 08/09/2021 à 21:33, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
Did I say the TV tuner is crap?
a working android system is only around $30 :-)
(I have a spare one if you want it?)
:-)
Hehe... No thanks :-) Basically, I only want a tv tuner, the recording is extra. I also have a tablet that I use to watch Amazon Prime, or Movistar offerings, so I have what I need. I can grumble most of the time :-) -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from oS Leap 15.2 x86_64 (Minas Tirith))
Le 08/09/2021 à 22:36, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
On 08/09/2021 22.28, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 08/09/2021 à 21:33, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
Did I say the TV tuner is crap?
a working android system is only around $30 :-)
(I have a spare one if you want it?)
:-)
Hehe... No thanks :-) Basically, I only want a tv tuner, the recording is extra.
I also have a tablet that I use to watch Amazon Prime, or Movistar offerings, so I have what I need. I can grumble most of the time :-)
the box I speak of are not tuners, only boxes for the net. I sometime watch the tv on air, but most usually watch Prime Video or Netflix (or personal video recording, like these ones but full quality (much too large for the web) http://dodin.org/piwigo/index.php?/category/8276 (my daughter singing :-) jdd -- http://dodin.org
On 08/09/2021 22.43, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 08/09/2021 à 22:36, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
On 08/09/2021 22.28, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 08/09/2021 à 21:33, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
Did I say the TV tuner is crap?
a working android system is only around $30 :-)
(I have a spare one if you want it?)
:-)
Hehe... No thanks :-) Basically, I only want a tv tuner, the recording is extra.
I also have a tablet that I use to watch Amazon Prime, or Movistar offerings, so I have what I need. I can grumble most of the time :-)
the box I speak of are not tuners, only boxes for the net. I sometime watch the tv on air, but most usually watch Prime Video or Netflix (or personal video recording, like these ones but full quality (much too large for the web)
http://dodin.org/piwigo/index.php?/category/8276
(my daughter singing :-)
Nice :-) I'll explain better. I'm not home these days, but at an alternate location, temporary. So I just bought a cheap tuner to go with an old display to have TV in my bedroom. The recording part is crap, but I can live with it. And the tuner side... dunno, maybe crap too, or the antenna cable is bad too. I have to verify that. I don't want to spend more money on this, not worth the hassle. So thanks for the offerings, but no thanks; I'm only curious about knowing if there are good tuners out there. Not that I'm going to buy another one now. Not being home, I don't have access to my nice and cozy fibre TV. I have an Android app from the ISP that allows watching most of the programming, with limited features. Actually, that app is crap. Just now I was watching a recorded episode of Comisario Montalbano, paused it to pick an icecream from the kitchen, hit play again (hitting a button needs several tries, it is that bad) and the app crashed. On restart, it plays the thing from the start, doesn't know where it crashed. Hitting the timeline slider with the finger is trouble. Often it does not respond, and when it does it is not the point in time I want. Other times, it can crash. Being the ISP service I have to use their app. For instance, as I'm listening to it via BT headphones, I hit the pause button in the headphones: the app beeps and ignores it. It does not have buttons to go back or forward say one minute or fast forward. It does not have buttons to change language or activate subtitles. A piece of crap. I can also watch the programming on Chrome and a web page of the provider (I have to close the Android app first or it fails), and it works a bit better than the app, but the laptop gets hot and can not be used for anything else - and often I have the TV on mostly for company while I do things on the computer. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from oS Leap 15.2 x86_64 (Minas Tirith))
Le 08/09/2021 à 23:40, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
used for anything else - and often I have the TV on mostly for company while I do things on the computer.
:-) jdd -- http://dodin.org
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 08/09/2021 20.53, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
But it doesn't, it locked hard.
I presume it is out of warranty - otherwise you take it back and get a new one.
What, return a computer because it locks hard? Have you tried a reboot? A power cycle?
I presumed you have tried that :-) It is not a computer as such, it is a consumer device that is supposed to "just work", never mind how the power was disconnected. If your new washing machine locks up, do you also start debugging that? -- Per Jessen, Zürich (21.6°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - virtual servers, made in Switzerland.
On 09/09/2021 10.29, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 08/09/2021 20.53, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
But it doesn't, it locked hard.
I presume it is out of warranty - otherwise you take it back and get a new one.
What, return a computer because it locks hard? Have you tried a reboot? A power cycle?
I presumed you have tried that :-)
And it worked :-)
It is not a computer as such, it is a consumer device that is supposed to "just work", never mind how the power was disconnected. If your new washing machine locks up, do you also start debugging that?
Well, a hard disk was connected when it locked, and the hard disk was suspected having filesystem corruption. The obvious thing to do is verifying that, and I could not do it, being ntfs. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from oS Leap 15.2 x86_64 (Minas Tirith))
Le 09/09/2021 à 11:32, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
Well, a hard disk was connected when it locked, and the hard disk was suspected having filesystem corruption. The obvious thing to do is verifying that, and I could not do it, being ntfs.
but if you can read and write the file system, the corruption is unlikely jdd -- http://dodin.org
On 09/09/2021 11.48, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 09/09/2021 à 11:32, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
Well, a hard disk was connected when it locked, and the hard disk was suspected having filesystem corruption. The obvious thing to do is verifying that, and I could not do it, being ntfs.
but if you can read and write the file system, the corruption is unlikely
Not really. The corruption can be in another area of the disk. This is very common with FAT, I'm less familiar with NTFS. My Gigaset TV tuner gadget at home (M740AV) corrupts the external disk (using ext2) a lot, but nevertheless continues working normally. I only notice when trying to view or download certain recording and it fails. Then I run fsck, wich can take an hour or two. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from oS Leap 15.2 x86_64 (Minas Tirith))
Le 08/09/2021 à 20:23, Carlos E.R. a écrit :
On 08/09/2021 17.27, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 08/09/2021 à 14:49, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
if ntfsfix don't do the job, who knows
ntfsfix - fix common errors and force Windows to check NTFS
So, it relies on Windows doing the grunt work.
did you *test* it? After all you don't know what goes bdad!! jdd -- http://dodin.org
On 08/09/2021 20.28, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 08/09/2021 à 20:23, Carlos E.R. a écrit :
On 08/09/2021 17.27, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 08/09/2021 à 14:49, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
if ntfsfix don't do the job, who knows
ntfsfix - fix common errors and force Windows to check NTFS
So, it relies on Windows doing the grunt work.
did you *test* it? After all you don't know what goes bdad!!
Yes, I did, finished in a second or two, it is impossible it repaired much. Testing the result would imply doing a long recording and having it lock again - or not. I don't want to risk it, so reformated FAT32, which may pose another problem with long recordings (internal or external). For the record, the TV tuner of Engel brand is a piece of shit, I have a page long of problems. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from oS Leap 15.2 x86_64 (Minas Tirith))
On Wed, 8 Sep 2021 20:33:47 +0200 "Carlos E. R." <robin.listas@telefonica.net> wrote:
On 08/09/2021 20.28, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 08/09/2021 à 20:23, Carlos E.R. a écrit :
On 08/09/2021 17.27, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 08/09/2021 à 14:49, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
if ntfsfix don't do the job, who knows
ntfsfix - fix common errors and force Windows to check NTFS
So, it relies on Windows doing the grunt work.
did you *test* it? After all you don't know what goes bdad!!
Yes, I did, finished in a second or two, it is impossible it repaired much. Testing the result would imply doing a long recording and having it lock again - or not. I don't want to risk it, so reformated FAT32, which may pose another problem with long recordings (internal or external).
For the record, the TV tuner of Engel brand is a piece of shit, I have a page long of problems.
I think when you called it a DV3T2 you misread the label. The label reads DVBT2 and that's not a model number, it's a description of its capabilities: namely to receive DVB broadcasts using T2 modulation. The actual model number is something different. It seems to be a tuner that can use an external disk to act as a PVR, and it gets a lot of bad reviews on Amazon. So if FAT32 doesn't work, I'd junk it. I had a PVR from a Korean brand called Topfield that was excellent - the API was open source so the EPG and PVR functionality was all written by enthusiastic amateurs and worked really well. Then that died and now I've got a Humax box. They have a good reputation for hardware but the software it uses is called Youview and is crap and locks up sometimes. I also keep it disconnected from the internet since they did an over-the-air update that made things worse. Bah!
On 08/09/2021 21.51, Dave Howorth wrote:
On Wed, 8 Sep 2021 20:33:47 +0200 "Carlos E. R." <robin.listas@telefonica.net> wrote:
On 08/09/2021 20.28, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 08/09/2021 à 20:23, Carlos E.R. a écrit :
On 08/09/2021 17.27, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 08/09/2021 à 14:49, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
if ntfsfix don't do the job, who knows
ntfsfix - fix common errors and force Windows to check NTFS
So, it relies on Windows doing the grunt work.
did you *test* it? After all you don't know what goes bdad!!
Yes, I did, finished in a second or two, it is impossible it repaired much. Testing the result would imply doing a long recording and having it lock again - or not. I don't want to risk it, so reformated FAT32, which may pose another problem with long recordings (internal or external).
For the record, the TV tuner of Engel brand is a piece of shit, I have a page long of problems.
I think when you called it a DV3T2 you misread the label. The label reads DVBT2 and that's not a model number, it's a description of its capabilities: namely to receive DVB broadcasts using T2 modulation. The actual model number is something different. It seems to be a tuner that can use an external disk to act as a PVR, and it gets a lot of bad reviews on Amazon. So if FAT32 doesn't work, I'd junk it.
RT7130T2 Do you remember if the comments say anything about not being able to tune some channels randomly? I have problems with many channels that many days it says "no signal", when the TV set in the sitting room has no problem. And if I press "info" key it says the signal is close to 100% but quality is terrible. Of course, I could have a bad antenna cable to my room. I will find out one day by connecting the tuner on the sitting room instead.
I had a PVR from a Korean brand called Topfield that was excellent - the API was open source so the EPG and PVR functionality was all written by enthusiastic amateurs and worked really well. Then that died and now I've got a Humax box. They have a good reputation for hardware but the software it uses is called Youview and is crap and locks up sometimes. I also keep it disconnected from the internet since they did an over-the-air update that made things worse. Bah!
If you know of a good brand, please tell! :-D I still have a Gigaset 470 or 740 back at home that is wonderful, specially since flashed with the community firmware. It has two tuners: for example it can record two channels while playing a different recording. That's three simultaneous streams. But it is not HD, it has more than a decade of age. It runs Linux. When running the community firmware, it has a telnet terminal with a real Linux in there. I can ftp a recording to my computer, for instance. Slowly, sadly. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from oS Leap 15.2 x86_64 (Minas Tirith))
Le 08/09/2021 à 22:20, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
If you know of a good brand, please tell! :-D
I have a spare TX3 mini, very good android box, but the postage from France will probably cost around what you will pay from Aliexpress :-) https://fr.aliexpress.com/item/1005002947504172.html but I use this one that is better, cheaper and can be sent from spain (so very fast) X88 pro https://fr.aliexpress.com/item/4000986146667.html all are android and work very well with a simple mouse. have any interface you can reasonably expect I have one spare because my ISP gave me one (free pop) jdd -- http://dodin.org
On 2021-09-08 4:39 p.m., jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 08/09/2021 à 22:20, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
If you know of a good brand, please tell! :-D
I have a spare TX3 mini, very good android box, but the postage from France will probably cost around what you will pay from Aliexpress :-)
https://fr.aliexpress.com/item/1005002947504172.html
but I use this one that is better, cheaper and can be sent from spain (so very fast)
X88 pro
https://fr.aliexpress.com/item/4000986146667.html
all are android and work very well with a simple mouse. have any interface you can reasonably expect
I have one spare because my ISP gave me one (free pop)
jdd
I'm on IPTV, so I have a small box near my computer for TV, with Ethernet on one side and HDMI on the other. It connects to my HDMI./USB KVM, so I can easily swith to it. However, I also can use a browser to connect to my account and do a lot of what I can with the box and an Android app on my tablet and phone that does the same. All this on top of my TVs in the living room and bedroom. So, I have no shortage of ways to watch TV and the computer and Android methods also work elsewhere, so I'm not even tied to my home. What's more, recorded shows are available no matter which TV I watch on.
* James Knott <james.knott@jknott.net> [09-09-21 09:40]:
On 2021-09-08 4:39 p.m., jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 08/09/2021 à 22:20, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
If you know of a good brand, please tell! :-D
I have a spare TX3 mini, very good android box, but the postage from France will probably cost around what you will pay from Aliexpress :-)
https://fr.aliexpress.com/item/1005002947504172.html
but I use this one that is better, cheaper and can be sent from spain (so very fast)
X88 pro
https://fr.aliexpress.com/item/4000986146667.html
all are android and work very well with a simple mouse. have any interface you can reasonably expect
I have one spare because my ISP gave me one (free pop)
jdd
I'm on IPTV, so I have a small box near my computer for TV, with Ethernet on one side and HDMI on the other. It connects to my HDMI./USB KVM, so I can easily swith to it. However, I also can use a browser to connect to my account and do a lot of what I can with the box and an Android app on my tablet and phone that does the same. All this on top of my TVs in the living room and bedroom. So, I have no shortage of ways to watch TV and the computer and Android methods also work elsewhere, so I'm not even tied to my home. What's more, recorded shows are available no matter which TV I watch on.
I have the same with amazon firesticks and can watch recorded (or subscribed) video from anywhere, not just at home, by carrying a firestick with me. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode
On 2021-09-09 10:09 a.m., Patrick Shanahan wrote:
I have the same with amazon firesticks and can watch recorded (or subscribed) video from anywhere, not just at home, by carrying a firestick with me.
I don't even need that. All I need is a computer or my tablet or smart phone, as long as I have an Internet connection.
On 09/09/2021 16.13, James Knott wrote:
On 2021-09-09 10:09 a.m., Patrick Shanahan wrote:
I have the same with amazon firesticks and can watch recorded (or subscribed) video from anywhere, not just at home, by carrying a firestick with me.
I don't even need that. All I need is a computer or my tablet or smart phone, as long as I have an Internet connection.
The internet-tv of my provider, Telefónica, can only be seen at home on the main TV set of the house, and in one computer or tablet. Only one. This computer or tablet can be used out of home in any network that has internet, and capabilities are limited compared to "the real thing" at the main tv at home. For example, zapping takes half a minute per channel. So often I use the TV over the air instead, which also has a much bigger display and better sound that the tablet or the laptop. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from oS Leap 15.2 x86_64 (Minas Tirith))
Am 08.09.21 um 22:20 schrieb Carlos E. R.: snip
If you know of a good brand, please tell! :-D snip
i am using "technisat" a (or the last "real") german brand who manufactures tv and record-receiver boxes. as i see inside the onscreen-menu's, they use a lot of open source code in their systems. (last i bought about 5 years in past) but they are not cheap and not for other software open, have a menu for sorting and managing programs and record's like norton/midnight commander (i love it) i own/make support 6 technisat tv's an 3 digital receivers (using for satellite). the newer one's has capability to cut and paste recorded movies (parts of them together or cut out advertising....). only the oldest tv has problems. (manufactured/bought in 2012/2013). they have a very good support its a smart tv with hbbtv and internet browser harddrive etc... but the updates stopped some years later (and this tv was the very expensive flag-ship (also it has a hdmi-out!!! (for my beamer)) and they told me the could not support any more, because the suppler from the main-board where out of business and they have not the source code to change anything for this tv-set. so i was angry (browser now unusable because of changing of html and other security things) i asked to solve the problem to send me a raspberry py to go over the lack of the browser. they did it free of charge. also they changed me a complete tv set to a better one (free of charge), because they seems to have a bug in the software of lan. - it did not like a german cable providers modem-box, complete lan was very slow when connecting the tv. they changed to an new tv. same problem, then thy upgraded the tv to a better one, never had problem with. https://www.technisat.com/ -- www.becherer.de
On 09/09/2021 08.15, Simon Becherer wrote:
Am 08.09.21 um 22:20 schrieb Carlos E. R.: snip
If you know of a good brand, please tell! :-D snip
i am using "technisat" a (or the last "real") german brand who manufactures tv and record-receiver boxes. as i see inside
Interesting But my main shopping place doesn't have them. <https://www.pccomponentes.com/buscar/?query=technisat&page=1&or-relevance> And the main page <https://www.technisat.com/> says to choose country, but Spain is not an option. Amazon has it. fnac has some <https://www.fnac.es/SearchResult/ResultList.aspx?SCat=0%211&Search=technisat&sft=1&sa=0> Not that I'm shopping now, but I'm taking notes for the next time.
the onscreen-menu's, they use a lot of open source code in their systems. (last i bought about 5 years in past) but they are not cheap and not for other software open, have a menu for sorting and managing programs and record's like norton/midnight commander (i love it) i own/make support 6 technisat tv's an 3 digital receivers (using for satellite). the newer one's has capability to cut and paste recorded movies (parts of them together or cut out advertising....).
only the oldest tv has problems. (manufactured/bought in 2012/2013). they have a very good support its a smart tv with hbbtv and internet browser harddrive etc... but the updates stopped some years later (and this tv was the very expensive flag-ship (also it has a hdmi-out!!! (for my beamer)) and they told me the could not support any more, because the suppler from the main-board where out of business and they have not the source code to change anything for this tv-set.
Ow :-(
so i was angry (browser now unusable because of changing of html and other security things) i asked to solve the problem to send me a raspberry py to go over the lack of the browser. they did it free of charge. also they changed me a complete tv set to a better one (free of charge), because they seems to have a bug in the software of lan. - it did not like a german cable providers modem-box, complete lan was very slow when connecting the tv. they changed to an new tv. same problem, then thy upgraded the tv to a better one, never had problem with.
-- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from oS Leap 15.2 x86_64 (Minas Tirith))
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 08/09/2021 21.51, Dave Howorth wrote:
I had a PVR from a Korean brand called Topfield that was excellent - the API was open source so the EPG and PVR functionality was all written by enthusiastic amateurs and worked really well. Then that died and now I've got a Humax box. They have a good reputation for hardware but the software it uses is called Youview and is crap and locks up sometimes. I also keep it disconnected from the internet since they did an over-the-air update that made things worse. Bah!
If you know of a good brand, please tell! :-D
I second the Topfield recommendation, but also Technisat, Samsung and Philips are good. Technisat scored #1 and #2 in a recent review : https://www.computerbild.de/bestenlisten/Die-besten-DVB-T2-Receiver-17301507... -- Per Jessen, Zürich (21.9°C)
On 09/09/2021 10.37, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 08/09/2021 21.51, Dave Howorth wrote:
I had a PVR from a Korean brand called Topfield that was excellent - the API was open source so the EPG and PVR functionality was all written by enthusiastic amateurs and worked really well. Then that died and now I've got a Humax box. They have a good reputation for hardware but the software it uses is called Youview and is crap and locks up sometimes. I also keep it disconnected from the internet since they did an over-the-air update that made things worse. Bah!
If you know of a good brand, please tell! :-D
I second the Topfield recommendation, but also Technisat, Samsung and Philips are good. Technisat scored #1 and #2 in a recent review :
https://www.computerbild.de/bestenlisten/Die-besten-DVB-T2-Receiver-17301507...
Noted, thanks. Interesting no mention of gigaset - I have one, quite old now, and it has been the best purchase I made in years. But I have no idea of current models. Gigaset M740AV (year 2007) Spanish, short report: <https://www.eferro.net/2007/01/evaluacin-de-tdt-siemens-gigaset-m740.html> -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from oS Leap 15.2 x86_64 (Minas Tirith))
Carlos E. R. wrote:
Interesting no mention of gigaset - I have one, quite old now, and it has been the best purchase I made in years. But I have no idea of current models.
To me, Gigaset is a telephone :-) I don't see any TV tuners in their current offerings. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (22.5°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - virtual servers, made in Switzerland.
On 09/09/2021 12.49, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
Interesting no mention of gigaset - I have one, quite old now, and it has been the best purchase I made in years. But I have no idea of current models.
To me, Gigaset is a telephone :-) I don't see any TV tuners in their current offerings.
Siemens perhaps? I think I bought this box previous to the phones. Actually, it was co-branded by Carrefour. I see on Amazon: Siemens Gigaset m 365 T DVB-T <https://www.amazon.es/Siemens-Gigaset-M-365-T-DVB-T/dp/B000F19Z2I> Not available (a 2016 model). But the comments are in German, if you are curious ;-) -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from oS Leap 15.2 x86_64 (Minas Tirith))
On Thu, 9 Sep 2021 15:20:41 +0200 "Carlos E. R." <robin.listas@telefonica.net> wrote:
On 09/09/2021 12.49, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
Interesting no mention of gigaset - I have one, quite old now, and it has been the best purchase I made in years. But I have no idea of current models.
To me, Gigaset is a telephone :-) I don't see any TV tuners in their current offerings.
Siemens perhaps?
I think I bought this box previous to the phones. Actually, it was co-branded by Carrefour.
I see on Amazon: Siemens Gigaset m 365 T DVB-T
<https://www.amazon.es/Siemens-Gigaset-M-365-T-DVB-T/dp/B000F19Z2I>
Not available (a 2016 model). But the comments are in German, if you are curious ;-)
But again that is DVB-T, not DVB-T2, so not a current model. Can't receive HD.
On 09/09/2021 17.47, Dave Howorth wrote:
On Thu, 9 Sep 2021 15:20:41 +0200 "Carlos E. R." <> wrote:
On 09/09/2021 12.49, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
I see on Amazon: Siemens Gigaset m 365 T DVB-T
<https://www.amazon.es/Siemens-Gigaset-M-365-T-DVB-T/dp/B000F19Z2I>
Not available (a 2016 model). But the comments are in German, if you are curious ;-)
But again that is DVB-T, not DVB-T2, so not a current model. Can't receive HD.
Ah, so that's why it is not available anymore. I missed that. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from oS Leap 15.2 x86_64 (Minas Tirith))
On 2021-09-09 11:38 a.m., Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 09/09/2021 17.47, Dave Howorth wrote:
On Thu, 9 Sep 2021 15:20:41 +0200 "Carlos E. R." <> wrote:
On 09/09/2021 12.49, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
I see on Amazon: Siemens Gigaset m 365 T DVB-T
<https://www.amazon.es/Siemens-Gigaset-M-365-T-DVB-T/dp/B000F19Z2I>
Not available (a 2016 model). But the comments are in German, if you are curious ;-)
But again that is DVB-T, not DVB-T2, so not a current model. Can't receive HD.
Ah, so that's why it is not available anymore.
I missed that.
!!
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 09/09/2021 12.49, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
Interesting no mention of gigaset - I have one, quite old now, and it has been the best purchase I made in years. But I have no idea of current models.
To me, Gigaset is a telephone :-) I don't see any TV tuners in their current offerings.
Siemens perhaps?
I doubt it, they are not really into any consumer electronics. Gigaset used to be part of Siemens though, until they were made independent. I'm sure Gigaset is still owned by Siemens though.
I see on Amazon: Siemens Gigaset m 365 T DVB-T
<https://www.amazon.es/Siemens-Gigaset-M-365-T-DVB-T/dp/B000F19Z2I>
Not available (a 2016 model). But the comments are in German, if you are curious ;-)
I think consumer DVB-[TC] devices are a dying business. No more DVB-T in Switzerland, since 2019. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (20.6°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - free dynamic DNS, made in Switzerland.
On 09/09/2021 19.50, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 09/09/2021 12.49, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
Interesting no mention of gigaset - I have one, quite old now, and it has been the best purchase I made in years. But I have no idea of current models.
To me, Gigaset is a telephone :-) I don't see any TV tuners in their current offerings.
Siemens perhaps?
I doubt it, they are not really into any consumer electronics. Gigaset used to be part of Siemens though, until they were made independent. I'm sure Gigaset is still owned by Siemens though.
Ah, so that's their relationship.
I see on Amazon: Siemens Gigaset m 365 T DVB-T
<https://www.amazon.es/Siemens-Gigaset-M-365-T-DVB-T/dp/B000F19Z2I>
Not available (a 2016 model). But the comments are in German, if you are curious ;-)
I think consumer DVB-[TC] devices are a dying business. No more DVB-T in Switzerland, since 2019.
Sure, I know, but it is thriving elsewhere :-P Recently I bought a SMART TV set for my tenants, and it is quite nice. A spy's nest, of course. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from oS Leap 15.2 x86_64 (Minas Tirith))
Carlos E. R. wrote:
I see on Amazon: Siemens Gigaset m 365 T DVB-T
<https://www.amazon.es/Siemens-Gigaset-M-365-T-DVB-T/dp/B000F19Z2I>
Not available (a 2016 model). But the comments are in German, if you are curious ;-)
I think consumer DVB-[TC] devices are a dying business. No more DVB-T in Switzerland, since 2019.
Sure, I know, but it is thriving elsewhere :-P
Way off-topic, so last post from me - I doubt if DVB-[TC] is "thriving" anywhere. If anything, internet TV is thriving and the rest is dying. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (20.1°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - your free DNS host, made in Switzerland.
On 09/09/2021 20.33, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
I see on Amazon: Siemens Gigaset m 365 T DVB-T
<https://www.amazon.es/Siemens-Gigaset-M-365-T-DVB-T/dp/B000F19Z2I>
Not available (a 2016 model). But the comments are in German, if you are curious ;-)
I think consumer DVB-[TC] devices are a dying business. No more DVB-T in Switzerland, since 2019.
Sure, I know, but it is thriving elsewhere :-P
Way off-topic, so last post from me - I doubt if DVB-[TC] is "thriving" anywhere.
It is. Here it is switching to a new, improved format - that's the T2 you may have seen mentioned here. Many people here will need separate tuner boxes soon in order to keep using the old TV sets, as I do. I will be on the lookout for tuner boxes running Linux accessible from the LAN :-) -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from oS Leap 15.2 x86_64 (Minas Tirith))
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 09/09/2021 20.33, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
I see on Amazon: Siemens Gigaset m 365 T DVB-T
<https://www.amazon.es/Siemens-Gigaset-M-365-T-DVB-T/dp/B000F19Z2I>
Not available (a 2016 model). But the comments are in German, if you are curious ;-)
I think consumer DVB-[TC] devices are a dying business. No more DVB-T in Switzerland, since 2019.
Sure, I know, but it is thriving elsewhere :-P
Way off-topic, so last post from me - I doubt if DVB-[TC] is "thriving" anywhere.
It is. Here it is switching to a new, improved format - that's the T2 you may have seen mentioned here.
So ? a new format does not suggest new life. You get version two, ours is already dead and buried.
Many people here will need separate tuner boxes soon in order to keep using the old TV sets, as I do.
Manufacturers of dying technology is not an idea worthy of investment :-)
I will be on the lookout for tuner boxes running Linux accessible from the LAN :-)
Oh. Like my MythTV, almost ten years old. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (20.1°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - dedicated server rental in Switzerland.
On 09/09/2021 23.20, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 09/09/2021 20.33, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
I see on Amazon: Siemens Gigaset m 365 T DVB-T
<https://www.amazon.es/Siemens-Gigaset-M-365-T-DVB-T/dp/B000F19Z2I>
Not available (a 2016 model). But the comments are in German, if you are curious ;-)
I think consumer DVB-[TC] devices are a dying business. No more DVB-T in Switzerland, since 2019.
Sure, I know, but it is thriving elsewhere :-P
Way off-topic, so last post from me - I doubt if DVB-[TC] is "thriving" anywhere.
It is. Here it is switching to a new, improved format - that's the T2 you may have seen mentioned here.
So ? a new format does not suggest new life. You get version two, ours is already dead and buried.
But not here, there are government orders (on EU directives) to change the stations to HD and T2 fast. Sales going on as usual.
Many people here will need separate tuner boxes soon in order to keep using the old TV sets, as I do.
Manufacturers of dying technology is not an idea worthy of investment :-)
YaST :-p
I will be on the lookout for tuner boxes running Linux accessible from the LAN :-)
Oh. Like my MythTV, almost ten years old.
Sure :-) But in a ready box, like my old gigaset. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from oS Leap 15.2 x86_64 (Minas Tirith))
Op vrijdag 10 september 2021 03:38:06 CEST schreef Lew Wolfgang:
On 9/9/21 11:09 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Recently I bought a SMART TV set for my tenants, and it is quite nice. A spy's nest, of course.
You bought a TV for your tenants? Wow! Was she hot?
Regards, Lew
WTF is going on here? One big example of off-topics, out of openSUSE scope bloat. This should not be on our MLs this way. -- Gertjan Lettink a.k.a. Knurpht openSUSE Board openSUSE Forums Team
On 9/9/21 7:12 PM, Knurpht-openSUSE wrote:
Op vrijdag 10 september 2021 03:38:06 CEST schreef Lew Wolfgang:
On 9/9/21 11:09 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Recently I bought a SMART TV set for my tenants, and it is quite nice. A spy's nest, of course.
You bought a TV for your tenants? Wow! Was she hot?
Regards, Lew WTF is going on here? One big example of off-topics, out of openSUSE scope bloat. This should not be on our MLs this way.
My apologies, I didn't notice this is the user's list. Regards, Lew
* Lew Wolfgang <wolfgang@sweet-haven.com> [09-09-21 23:32]:
On 9/9/21 7:12 PM, Knurpht-openSUSE wrote:
Op vrijdag 10 september 2021 03:38:06 CEST schreef Lew Wolfgang:
On 9/9/21 11:09 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Recently I bought a SMART TV set for my tenants, and it is quite nice. A spy's nest, of course.
You bought a TV for your tenants? Wow! Was she hot?
Regards, Lew WTF is going on here? One big example of off-topics, out of openSUSE scope bloat. This should not be on our MLs this way.
My apologies, I didn't notice this is the user's list.
a distinction without a distinction :( -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode
Hello, On Fri, 10 Sep 2021, Knurpht-openSUSE wrote:
Op vrijdag 10 september 2021 03:38:06 CEST schreef Lew Wolfgang:
Huh?
On 9/9/21 11:09 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Recently I bought a SMART TV set for my tenants, and it is quite nice. A spy's nest, of course.
You bought a TV for your tenants? Wow! Was she hot?
Regards, Lew
WTF is going on here? One big example of off-topics, out of openSUSE scope bloat. This should not be on our MLs this way.
WTF? Your MLs? And who are "you"? Really? Come on! For one: cool off. For two the "offtopic" list is dead: https://lists.opensuse.org/archives/list/offtopic@lists.opensuse.org/ And, shouldn't, "officially", all real support stuff, i.e. on-topic stuff for leap actually be in the "support" list? At least that's what I remember being the "official" split for the lists. Or something. And stuff or tumbleweed on the "factory" list? IIRC. So, what's this list officially for? Right. Matter of fact. What the users/denizens make of it. Or not? Are you to define? Anyway: have a tea, a coffee, with a scone and cream, a beer, a joint, a whisky, a butter bretzel, whatever you fancy. Just relax. This is just a multi-logue of mostly old-time-denizens of this list[1], and I think that the denizens define the list. SUSE/OpenSuSE hosts it. Yes. And if anything goes out of control, we "old-list-timers" will be the first to call for help from the current list-admin, who happens to be, uh, ... gotta run! -dnh PS: fix yer attrib if you are going picky on us, not many here speak flamish (but could speak "flame"-ish if we choose to ;) And while we're at nitpicking: fix your quoting. No need to quote regards/sigs/whatnot. [1] IIRC: all 10+ years on-list. When did you join? I can't remember. -- So basically you're not really choosing based on level of sanity as you originally claimed, you just happen to like one sort of insanity more than the other. Fair enough, we all have our insanity preferences. -- Steve VanDevender
On 2021-09-09 10:02 p.m., David Haller wrote:
And, shouldn't, "officially", all real support stuff, i.e. on-topic stuff for leap actually be in the "support" list? At least that's what
Just wtf have TV tuners "preferably running Linux" to do with support for opensuse? The only relevance this thread now has to Linux is the mention of it in the subject. As for the off-topic list, if people used it for off-topic shit like this has become, then it wouldn't have died, would it? Now we're on to DECT shit. What's next? A comparison between pomegranates and kiwi fruit?
On 9/9/21 11:53 PM, Darryl Gregorash wrote:
On 2021-09-09 10:02 p.m., David Haller wrote:
And, shouldn't, "officially", all real support stuff, i.e. on-topic stuff for leap actually be in the "support" list? At least that's what Just wtf have TV tuners "preferably running Linux" to do with support for opensuse? The only relevance this thread now has to Linux is the mention of it in the subject.
As for the off-topic list, if people used it for off-topic shit like this has become, then it wouldn't have died, would it?
Now we're on to DECT shit. What's next? A comparison between pomegranates and kiwi fruit? Pomegranates are a PIA with all them seeds.. *<]:oD
-- “Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.” ― Albert Einstein
David Haller wrote:
For one: cool off. For two the "offtopic" list is dead: https://lists.opensuse.org/archives/list/offtopic@lists.opensuse.org/
The off-topic list is very much alive, but it is not being archived, intentionally. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (20.1°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - your free DNS host, made in Switzerland.
On 10/09/2021 09.33, Per Jessen wrote:
David Haller wrote:
For one: cool off. For two the "offtopic" list is dead: https://lists.opensuse.org/archives/list/offtopic@lists.opensuse.org/ The off-topic list is very much alive, but it is not being archived, intentionally.
Maybe add a comment on the would be archive? -- Saludos/Cheers Carlos E. R.
Hello, On Fri, 10 Sep 2021, Per Jessen wrote:
David Haller wrote:
For one: cool off. For two the "offtopic" list is dead: https://lists.opensuse.org/archives/list/offtopic@lists.opensuse.org/
The off-topic list is very much alive, but it is not being archived, intentionally.
Oh? I was not aware of that. And, it seems I did not update my subscription at some point, my archive dates to June 2015. Sorry for the noise then. Re-subscribing ;) -dnh -- - the only annoying thing about Perl is there's always at least 10 ways to do the same thing =) - and half of those make absolutely no sense when you come back to the code 30 minutes later -- bash.org/?66197
On 10/09/2021 03.38, Lew Wolfgang wrote:
On 9/9/21 11:09 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Recently I bought a SMART TV set for my tenants, and it is quite nice. A spy's nest, of course.
You bought a TV for your tenants? Wow! Was she hot?
Setting reply-to to offtopic mail list. But as others wondered in this list, short answer: I don't rent the flat, but two rooms, thus there are different rules. They ask for a tv, internet... rather room mates. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from oS Leap 15.2 x86_64 (Minas Tirith))
Hello, On Thu, 09 Sep 2021, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 09/09/2021 12.49, Per Jessen wrote:
To me, Gigaset is a telephone :-) I don't see any TV tuners in their current offerings.
To me too ;)
Siemens perhaps?
I doubt it, they are not really into any consumer electronics. Gigaset used to be part of Siemens though, until they were made independent. I'm sure Gigaset is still owned by Siemens though.
Actually no. The english WP article[1] sums it up rather concise in the "intro" and the "history" part of the article. Short version: after being split off from the Siemens branch in 2005, it was sold in 2008 to Arques Industries and from 2013 on Goldin Fund / Pan Sutong bought first 24% and later more stock, and now owns 85% of the (otherwise publicly traded) stock and can now be considered a daughter of the Goldin Group. (with bits added/translated from the german articles[2][3]). So, Siemens does not have anything to do with Gigaset anymore. The only stuff from them I find on a popular price-comparison site are dryers, fridges, ovens and dishwashers, basically stuff from BSH[4]... on Bezo's site I aditionally find vacuums, coffee makers, stoves (I guess all from BSH), and "vintage" refurbished "Siemens Gigaset" phones ;) HTH, -dnh PS: I liked my Gigaset DECT phone not for very long, as usability was quite good, but battery-life just abysmal. I now have a cheapo phone with ok usability but much better battery-life (from a brand that happens to (or did) sell batteries too ;) [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gigaset_Communications [2] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gigaset_Communications [3] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gigaset [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BSH_Hausger%C3%A4te -- Wer unkasprige Kaspereien verbreitet darf sich nicht wundern wenn der grosse Kasper mit der Klatsche zuschlägt. [Woko° in dag°]
On 09/09/2021 23.55, David Haller wrote:
Hello,
On Thu, 09 Sep 2021, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
[gigaset]
Actually no. The english WP article[1] sums it up rather concise in the "intro" and the "history" part of the article.
Short version: after being split off from the Siemens branch in 2005, it was sold in 2008 to Arques Industries and from 2013 on Goldin Fund / Pan Sutong bought first 24% and later more stock, and now owns 85% of the (otherwise publicly traded) stock and can now be considered a daughter of the Goldin Group.
(with bits added/translated from the german articles[2][3]).
So, Siemens does not have anything to do with Gigaset anymore. The only stuff from them I find on a popular price-comparison site are dryers, fridges, ovens and dishwashers, basically stuff from BSH[4]... on Bezo's site I aditionally find vacuums, coffee makers, stoves (I guess all from BSH), and "vintage" refurbished "Siemens Gigaset" phones ;)
Crumbs.
PS: I liked my Gigaset DECT phone not for very long, as usability was quite good, but battery-life just abysmal. I now have a cheapo phone with ok usability but much better battery-life (from a brand that happens to (or did) sell batteries too ;)
Battery bad, yes, but mine had replaceable AA size batteries. I'm not sure my current incumbent at home is Gigaset or not. Not there, can't look. What I would like would be an Android POTS terminal, DECT if possible, in order to run there antispam call filtering. But nobody makes them, no idea why not. -- Saludos/Cheers Carlos E. R.
Hello, On Fri, 10 Sep 2021, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 09/09/2021 23.55, David Haller wrote:
On Thu, 09 Sep 2021, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote: [..] PS: I liked my Gigaset DECT phone not for very long, as usability was quite good, but battery-life just abysmal. I now have a cheapo phone with ok usability but much better battery-life (from a brand that happens to (or did) sell batteries too ;)
Battery bad, yes, but mine had replaceable AA size batteries.
Actually, it came with a pair of GP 650mAh AAA accumulators (aka recharables), but it was really bad real soon no matter what. Tried charging them (at .1C or whatsit?) outside, tried 750mAh and IIRC 850mAh AAA pairs I already had for other stuff, and (funnily enough) were also GP, but talking time got worse and worse, no matter what I did (charge as prescribed in the phone, charge once outside, uncharge in the phone as prescribed, charge full in the phone etc. pp. nothing helped. So I gave up after a while when it became impossible to talk for longer. And mind you, I used the "Eco" mode... Ah well. The new cheapo is ok. Too bad, (among some minor-ish usability stuff), it only has weird, or really weird and annoying ring-tones and no way to add your own. The one I use is the only one that's bearable.
What I would like would be an Android POTS terminal, DECT if possible, in order to run there antispam call filtering. But nobody makes them, no idea why not.
E.g. AVM Fritz!Box routers can do that for all your DECT devices connected to it, AFAIK (to a limit of numbers / number-blocks at least)... Yes, I know, they're rather expensive comparatively and you've probably a router prescribed by your ISP which is also controlled by your ISP (only)[1], but I'd put an own router behind that anyway. Or is POTS still actually seperate from the 'net at your place? Here, all you get is VoIP, and if you do still have POTS, that only goes to the next box on the street from where it's all VoIP anyway (till you get to the other end and the reverse process), so I don't see the point anymore re reliability and exchange powered phones as it used to be in the 80's... So why not "in-house" the VoIP Gateway? Most people in .de have already and can use e.g. different SIP providers for different numbers (e.g. for overseas calls), by adding those and matching rules to their routers. Anyway, there's probably cheaper routers that can do all or most of the magic too, but the AVMs are rather good and worth their price overall, esp. with their long support with firmware updates (even for the cheapo end of their models), and I personally know only a couple AVM and an ISP model (with firmware that sucks, dunno who made the hardware, could be either actually AVM hardware or some chinese stuff (Huawei? IIRC no, some other brand along that line), both with provider FW, can't remember which one it was). Of course, if the 'net is out, you're hosed and have to use mobile. But in that case, usually your "POTS" is out too, anyway. Unless it's still real POTS even beyond the next box on the street and it's not the wire that's damaged... Dunno what the sit-rep on that is Spain ;) -dnh [1] I know a bit about the ISP situation in Spain from a friend -- ``I think I recently decided that if pain is the body's way of saying "Wow, shit, stop! Something is wrong here!", then painkillers are our way of saying "Lalalala! I can't hear you!"'' -- Simon Cozens
On 10/09/2021 02.08, David Haller wrote:
Hello,
On Fri, 10 Sep 2021, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 09/09/2021 23.55, David Haller wrote:
On Thu, 09 Sep 2021, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote: [..] PS: I liked my Gigaset DECT phone not for very long, as usability was quite good, but battery-life just abysmal. I now have a cheapo phone with ok usability but much better battery-life (from a brand that happens to (or did) sell batteries too ;)
Battery bad, yes, but mine had replaceable AA size batteries.
Actually, it came with a pair of GP 650mAh AAA accumulators (aka recharables), but it was really bad real soon no matter what. Tried charging them (at .1C or whatsit?) outside, tried 750mAh and IIRC 850mAh AAA pairs I already had for other stuff, and (funnily enough) were also GP, but talking time got worse and worse, no matter what I did (charge as prescribed in the phone, charge once outside, uncharge in the phone as prescribed, charge full in the phone etc. pp. nothing helped. So I gave up after a while when it became impossible to talk for longer. And mind you, I used the "Eco" mode... Ah well. The new cheapo is ok. Too bad, (among some minor-ish usability stuff), it only has weird, or really weird and annoying ring-tones and no way to add your own. The one I use is the only one that's bearable.
Still, you can just replace the battery, no need to replace the terminal.
What I would like would be an Android POTS terminal, DECT if possible, in order to run there antispam call filtering. But nobody makes them, no idea why not.
E.g. AVM Fritz!Box routers can do that for all your DECT devices connected to it, AFAIK (to a limit of numbers / number-blocks at least)... Yes, I know, they're rather expensive comparatively and you've probably a router prescribed by your ISP which is also controlled by your ISP (only)[1], but I'd put an own router behind that anyway.
Or is POTS still actually seperate from the 'net at your place?
It is handled by a box that sits before the router (ONT - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_interface_device#Optical_network_termi...). It is VoIP internally, but all I can see is is the POTS cable. Secret configuration, client configuration not supported, still, reverse engineering is possible but I did not succeed.
Here, all you get is VoIP, and if you do still have POTS, that only goes to the next box on the street from where it's all VoIP anyway (till you get to the other end and the reverse process), so I don't see the point anymore re reliability and exchange powered phones as it used to be in the 80's...
So why not "in-house" the VoIP Gateway? Most people in .de have already and can use e.g. different SIP providers for different numbers (e.g. for overseas calls), by adding those and matching rules to their routers. Anyway, there's probably cheaper routers that can do all or most of the magic too, but the AVMs are rather good and worth their price overall, esp. with their long support with firmware updates (even for the cheapo end of their models), and I personally know only a couple AVM and an ISP model (with firmware that sucks, dunno who made the hardware, could be either actually AVM hardware or some chinese stuff (Huawei? IIRC no, some other brand along that line), both with provider FW, can't remember which one it was).
I would get rid of the "land line" phone completely, except for two reasons: the telco refuses, and old folk have that number in their notes, not my mobile. I don't use it myself. I can't access the VoIP side - at least for now.
Of course, if the 'net is out, you're hosed and have to use mobile.
But in that case, usually your "POTS" is out too, anyway. Unless it's still real POTS even beyond the next box on the street and it's not the wire that's damaged... Dunno what the sit-rep on that is Spain ;)
Nah, I don't have real POTS anymore, it is fibre to the home.
[1] I know a bit about the ISP situation in Spain from a friend
:-) -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from oS Leap 15.2 x86_64 (Minas Tirith))
Hello, On Fri, 10 Sep 2021, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 10/09/2021 02.08, David Haller wrote:
On Fri, 10 Sep 2021, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 09/09/2021 23.55, David Haller wrote:
On Thu, 09 Sep 2021, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote: [..] PS: I liked my Gigaset DECT phone not for very long, as usability was quite good, but battery-life just abysmal. I now have a cheapo phone with ok usability but much better battery-life (from a brand that happens to (or did) sell batteries too ;)
Battery bad, yes, but mine had replaceable AA size batteries.
Actually, it came with a pair of GP 650mAh AAA accumulators (aka recharables), but it was really bad real soon no matter what. Tried charging them (at .1C or whatsit?) outside, tried 750mAh and IIRC 850mAh AAA pairs I already had for other stuff, and (funnily enough) were also GP, but talking time got worse and worse, no matter what I did (charge as prescribed in the phone, charge once outside, uncharge in the phone as prescribed, charge full in the phone etc. pp. nothing helped. So I gave up after a while when it became impossible to talk for longer. And mind you, I used the "Eco" mode... Ah well. The new cheapo is ok. Too bad, (among some minor-ish usability stuff), it only has weird, or really weird and annoying ring-tones and no way to add your own. The one I use is the only one that's bearable.
Still, you can just replace the battery, no need to replace the terminal.
As I wrote: I did. I tried various pairs of AAA rechargables (the original 650mAh that came with the phone, my 750 and IIRC my 850mAh ones (even from the same manufacturer) and no matter what, esp. no matter how I charged them (in or outside the phone, with or without the recommended deplete and fully load cycle), it all made no difference. Speaking time sucked and got worse. My guess is, the phone just killed the rechargables. Even charging outside the phone did not help in any way to get longer speaking times. Deduction: Broken phone (and it was out of warranty, at least it was ok for that long).
What I would like would be an Android POTS terminal, DECT if possible, in order to run there antispam call filtering. But nobody makes them, no idea why not.
E.g. AVM Fritz!Box routers can do that for all your DECT devices connected to it, AFAIK (to a limit of numbers / number-blocks at least)... Yes, I know, they're rather expensive comparatively and you've probably a router prescribed by your ISP which is also controlled by your ISP (only)[1], but I'd put an own router behind that anyway.
Or is POTS still actually seperate from the 'net at your place?
It is handled by a box that sits before the router (ONT - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_interface_device#Optical_network_termi...). It is VoIP internally, but all I can see is is the POTS cable. Secret configuration, client configuration not supported,
Ah yes [1][2], what I feared. Actually, why's there not yet some EU law about stuff like that? (rethoric question) Internet/phone (as VoIP) is basic infrastructure, more so even than mobile, and mobile is regulated. And ISPs in Spain are quite obviously a (de facto) Cartel, so just basic rules about those should apply. And e.g. Telefonica is well able to abide to the rules in .de, whereas in .es, it is either much too expensive or just does the same stuff as all other .es-ISPs do and nobody seems to care.
still, reverse engineering is possible but I did not succeed.
Hm. Could you not do VoIP/SIP over the net alongside that? Or are those ports blocked[1]? If so, putting _YOUR_ router behind that blackbox, configuring as _YOU_ want might help. Of course, you'd have to test what is or is not blocked before making any investments. Does your ISP actually block VoIP ports on your 'net connection (as opposed to that VoIP you practically get via "POTS")? And if he does, there's probably SIP-providers that offer SIP over other ports or you could tunnel or whatnot. Beating your ISP in such ways is fun for profit ;) [..]
I would get rid of the "land line" phone completely, except for two reasons: the telco refuses,
Uh? [1] *grrr*
and old folk have that number in their notes, not my mobile. I don't use it myself.
Well, here, numbers MUST be ported, even to $random-SIP-Provider. And ISTR, the EU might be involved in that. I think you should be able to port your number to any other provider, POTS or VoIP/SIP. AFAI[RK].
I can't access the VoIP side - at least for now.
I love "routers" like that[1]. A few years ago, here in .de a law was passed that providers _HAVE_ to provide the data to use any router (i.e. username/login, password, technical/protocol parameters) IIRC so called "Routerfreiheit"), to the effect, that the user can attach _ANY_ router that is technically compatible can be attached to the line and voila. And the standards for what goes over the physical line are rather strict, so no provider can cook up it's own version that only works with it's own routers/endpoints ;)
Of course, if the 'net is out, you're hosed and have to use mobile.
But in that case, usually your "POTS" is out too, anyway. Unless it's still real POTS even beyond the next box on the street and it's not the wire that's damaged... Dunno what the sit-rep on that is Spain ;)
Nah, I don't have real POTS anymore,
As I suspected. Pseudo-POTS :(
it is fibre to the home.
Well, at least you got that. Hereabouts, _that_ is still quite expensive if available at all. And availability is, uhm, let's say, scarce. Or widely non-existant. Unless you pay larger-company-size real big-bucks... But, alas, we got 50+ MBit/s in many regions via DSL, personally, I get ~90+ MBit/s on the DSL connection in a ~14k part of a ~40k "suburb" of a ~600k city. Which really is quite sufficient for me, my first modem was a whopping 14.4kBit/s (no need for you even older-timers to chime in with 3.6k or even 320Bit/s acoustics ;) 56.4kBit/s years later was still a drag, but since I have DSL (first with 1MBit/s, later ~6MBit/s I'm ok, mostly). And that was 200[1-6]ish. I still _do_ measure webpages against the ~4.5kByte I got via the 56k modem tough. They should still work and actually be fast, besides content like images and videos and stuff. But the page should be fast, even with just 4.5kB/s. And lo, the one biggerish page I made had at max. ~3kB overall for one page in 2 files (plain html, puzzeled together server-side via SSI plus one smallish CSS) besides "big"-pics. No JS anywhere. By design. The "new" page (not under my control) is tons bigger and uses tons of JS. And is sluggish. And doesn't work with older browsers or without JS. As you'd expect. And is not fancier in any way IMO. "trendier", yes, I'd go with that. And webpages today are so _MUCH_ slower on this box than they used to be just a few years ago, say 4, not because they are fatter, they are, by at least an order of magnitude, but because much of that additional crap is not even just pictures or any other actual content that takes time to load, or stuff needed for navigation, but tons of superfluous JS garbage (up to several MB each) coming from tons of different servers is common. Much of it tracking stuff, gathering data for the big data-krakens. And no, DNS is not the problem. dnsmasq caches that. And pages will just not work without JS or an older browser. And even if you block lots, e.g. a youtube single video page takes about a minute to render, albeit with an older esr firefox on an older box[3], but even with the current fucking chrome it's not as different as I'd notice. So fsck 'em web-devs. And esp. the devs of those bloated "frameworks", that get use mindlessly by seemingly every page out there. Fsck 'em all. Sideways. With a continuous miner.
[1] I know a bit about the ISP situation in Spain from a friend
:-)
[2] reusing footnotes is fun :) -dnh PS: are we OT? [3] and fuck it, I actually compile libreoffice, firefox and chromium on this box, it takes it's time, but it get's there, but a webpage? Some common software package compiles faster than a youtube page renders on this box? WAT THE FSCK? And then *fscking google* blabs about the "lean" intarweb, what was it called again? *gah* I alread fscking did upgrade my box for websites, some years ago, from an Athlon 500. And compiles, too. But they were ok back then. But now? Again, just for websites? Sure, java, libreoffice, gcc, clang/llvm, firefox/seamonkey and esp. chromium take hours to compile, but so what? But a webpage, I want to see "now" and not wait seconds, or even minutes to render! *gah^2* --
Die Zonengrenze ist, äh, war übrigens gerade zwei Kilometer entfernt. "Ist" stimmt schon. Hier in Sachsen haben die Blockparteien die absolute Mehrheit, die Telefone werden abgehört, und brauchbare Dinge gibt es nur für Westgeld. Alles wie früher :-) -- Nils Kassube und Ralf Muschall in dasr
On 10/09/2021 05.18, David Haller wrote:
Hello,
On Fri, 10 Sep 2021, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 10/09/2021 02.08, David Haller wrote:
On Fri, 10 Sep 2021, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 09/09/2021 23.55, David Haller wrote:
On Thu, 09 Sep 2021, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote: [..] PS: I liked my Gigaset DECT phone not for very long, as usability was quite good, but battery-life just abysmal. I now have a cheapo phone with ok usability but much better battery-life (from a brand that happens to (or did) sell batteries too ;)
Battery bad, yes, but mine had replaceable AA size batteries.
Actually, it came with a pair of GP 650mAh AAA accumulators (aka recharables), but it was really bad real soon no matter what. Tried charging them (at .1C or whatsit?) outside, tried 750mAh and IIRC 850mAh AAA pairs I already had for other stuff, and (funnily enough) were also GP, but talking time got worse and worse, no matter what I did (charge as prescribed in the phone, charge once outside, uncharge in the phone as prescribed, charge full in the phone etc. pp. nothing helped. So I gave up after a while when it became impossible to talk for longer. And mind you, I used the "Eco" mode... Ah well. The new cheapo is ok. Too bad, (among some minor-ish usability stuff), it only has weird, or really weird and annoying ring-tones and no way to add your own. The one I use is the only one that's bearable.
Still, you can just replace the battery, no need to replace the terminal.
As I wrote: I did. I tried various pairs of AAA rechargables (the original 650mAh that came with the phone, my 750 and IIRC my 850mAh ones (even from the same manufacturer) and no matter what, esp. no matter how I charged them (in or outside the phone, with or without the recommended deplete and fully load cycle), it all made no difference. Speaking time sucked and got worse. My guess is, the phone just killed the rechargables. Even charging outside the phone did not help in any way to get longer speaking times. Deduction: Broken phone (and it was out of warranty, at least it was ok for that long).
Oh, I see. I have one phone that I was going to try sell second hand, with dead battery before it should. I should check it.
What I would like would be an Android POTS terminal, DECT if possible, in order to run there antispam call filtering. But nobody makes them, no idea why not.
E.g. AVM Fritz!Box routers can do that for all your DECT devices connected to it, AFAIK (to a limit of numbers / number-blocks at least)... Yes, I know, they're rather expensive comparatively and you've probably a router prescribed by your ISP which is also controlled by your ISP (only)[1], but I'd put an own router behind that anyway.
Or is POTS still actually seperate from the 'net at your place?
It is handled by a box that sits before the router (ONT - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_interface_device#Optical_network_termi...). It is VoIP internally, but all I can see is is the POTS cable. Secret configuration, client configuration not supported,
Ah yes [1][2], what I feared. Actually, why's there not yet some EU law about stuff like that? (rethoric question)
{chuckle}
Internet/phone (as VoIP) is basic infrastructure, more so even than mobile, and mobile is regulated. And ISPs in Spain are quite obviously a (de facto) Cartel, so just basic rules about those should apply. And e.g. Telefonica is well able to abide to the rules in .de, whereas in .es, it is either much too expensive or just does the same stuff as all other .es-ISPs do and nobody seems to care.
Right,
still, reverse engineering is possible but I did not succeed.
Hm. Could you not do VoIP/SIP over the net alongside that? Or are those ports blocked[1]?
No. Not that I know. I failed to register my computer-phone.
If so, putting _YOUR_ router behind that blackbox, configuring as _YOU_ want might help. Of course, you'd have to test what is or is not blocked before making any investments. Does your ISP actually block VoIP ports on your 'net connection (as opposed to that VoIP you practically get via "POTS")?
Dunno.
And if he does, there's probably SIP-providers that offer SIP over other ports or you could tunnel or whatnot. Beating your ISP in such ways is fun for profit ;)
Oh, very probably, but serves no practical purpose, the phone I want to fiddle with is the "official" one. It is the one that spammers call. I did some testings with the computer and the router, trying to set up software like linphone to call or answer, using the reverse engineered settings, but no go, it would not register. We talked about this extensively on the offtopic mail list, but as it is not archived I can not point you to the conversation. Maybe I have the logs :-?
[..]
I would get rid of the "land line" phone completely, except for two reasons: the telco refuses,
Uh? [1] *grrr*
Yeah, they claim that it is impossible to provide internet without a phone. I had to tell the sales lady that I happen to be an engineer that worked for sometime for Telefonica and I knew better. The reasoning is commercial, not technical. In fact, there is one or two virtual providers, new, that does offer internet with no phone.
and old folk have that number in their notes, not my mobile. I don't use it myself.
Well, here, numbers MUST be ported, even to $random-SIP-Provider. And ISTR, the EU might be involved in that. I think you should be able to port your number to any other provider, POTS or VoIP/SIP. AFAI[RK].
To a registered provider, maybe. I don't know of registered VoIP providers in Spain, not in the news. And as Telefonica claims there is no internet without phone, there is no point.
I can't access the VoIP side - at least for now.
I love "routers" like that[1]. A few years ago, here in .de a law was passed that providers _HAVE_ to provide the data to use any router (i.e. username/login, password, technical/protocol parameters) IIRC so called "Routerfreiheit"), to the effect, that the user can attach _ANY_ router that is technically compatible can be attached to the line and voila. And the standards for what goes over the physical line are rather strict, so no provider can cook up it's own version that only works with it's own routers/endpoints ;)
I heard of that law. :-)~ (drooling smiley)
Of course, if the 'net is out, you're hosed and have to use mobile.
But in that case, usually your "POTS" is out too, anyway. Unless it's still real POTS even beyond the next box on the street and it's not the wire that's damaged... Dunno what the sit-rep on that is Spain ;)
Nah, I don't have real POTS anymore,
As I suspected. Pseudo-POTS :(
it is fibre to the home.
Well, at least you got that. Hereabouts, _that_ is still quite expensive if available at all. And availability is, uhm, let's say, scarce. Or widely non-existant. Unless you pay larger-company-size real big-bucks... But, alas, we got 50+ MBit/s in many regions via DSL, personally, I get ~90+ MBit/s on the DSL connection in a ~14k part of a ~40k "suburb" of a ~600k city. Which really is quite sufficient for me, my first modem was a whopping 14.4kBit/s (no need for you even older-timers to chime in with 3.6k or even 320Bit/s acoustics ;) 56.4kBit/s years later was still a drag, but since I have DSL (first with 1MBit/s, later ~6MBit/s I'm ok, mostly). And that was 200[1-6]ish. I still _do_ measure webpages against the ~4.5kByte I got via the 56k modem tough. They should still work and actually be fast, besides content like images and videos and stuff. But the page should be fast, even with just 4.5kB/s. And lo, the one biggerish page I made had at max. ~3kB overall for one page in 2 files (plain html, puzzeled together server-side via SSI plus one smallish CSS) besides "big"-pics. No JS anywhere. By design. The "new" page (not under my control) is tons bigger and uses tons of JS. And is sluggish. And doesn't work with older browsers or without JS. As you'd expect. And is not fancier in any way IMO. "trendier", yes, I'd go with that.
Initially I got 100 Mbits, then 300, then symmetrical, then 600, then I asked to drop back to 100, then they raised (no cost) to 300, then they raised 3€...
And webpages today are so _MUCH_ slower on this box
Indeed they are.
than they used to be just a few years ago, say 4, not because they are fatter, they are, by at least an order of magnitude, but because much of that additional crap is not even just pictures or any other actual content that takes time to load, or stuff needed for navigation, but tons of superfluous JS garbage (up to several MB each) coming from tons of different servers is common. Much of it tracking stuff, gathering data for the big data-krakens. And no, DNS is not the problem. dnsmasq caches that.
Yep. And you need a more powerful computer. This laptop I'm using right now is old, circa 2010, Leap 15.2 with 4 gigs or ram, SSD disk, and it sucks. A minute to load a youtube video with 300Mbits internet, over a 6..12 mbits wifi or so (looking at the Network Manager applet below).
And pages will just not work without JS or an older browser. And even if you block lots, e.g. a youtube single video page takes about a minute to render, albeit with an older esr firefox on an older box[3], but even with the current fucking chrome it's not as different as I'd notice. So fsck 'em web-devs. And esp. the devs of those bloated "frameworks", that get use mindlessly by seemingly every page out there. Fsck 'em all. Sideways. With a continuous miner.
Yeah.
[1] I know a bit about the ISP situation in Spain from a friend
:-)
[2] reusing footnotes is fun :)
-dnh
PS: are we OT?
Quite so... :-}
[3] and fuck it, I actually compile libreoffice, firefox and chromium on this box, it takes it's time, but it get's there, but a webpage? Some common software package compiles faster than a youtube page renders on this box? WAT THE FSCK? And then *fscking google* blabs about the "lean" intarweb, what was it called again? *gah* I alread fscking did upgrade my box for websites, some years ago, from an Athlon 500. And compiles, too. But they were ok back then. But now? Again, just for websites? Sure, java, libreoffice, gcc, clang/llvm, firefox/seamonkey and esp. chromium take hours to compile, but so what? But a webpage, I want to see "now" and not wait seconds, or even minutes to render! *gah^2*
Indeed. I remember about year 2000, I had to upgrade the computer (SuSE, of course) because with 6 Mb (or was it 32?) it would not cope with Internet at the time. Minutes to load a page. I bought a machine with 255 megs. Back then, Windows needed less memory, but I wanted Linux. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from oS Leap 15.2 x86_64 (Minas Tirith))
David Haller wrote:
Hello,
On Thu, 09 Sep 2021, Per Jessen wrote:
I'm sure Gigaset is still owned by Siemens though.
Actually no. The english WP article[1] sums it up rather concise in the "intro" and the "history" part of the article. [snip]
So, Siemens does not have anything to do with Gigaset anymore.
Interesting, I should have read the article :-)
PS: I liked my Gigaset DECT phone not for very long, as usability was quite good, but battery-life just abysmal.
10-12 years ago (I think it was) when we dropped ISDN and went full-VoIP, I bought a Gigaset C470IP DECT base station with two handsets. Never looked back - we still have quite a few handsets, both at home and in the office. I like that it is easy to replace the batteries. The range is phenomenal - despite various metal obstructions and what have you. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (19.2°C)
Hello, On Fri, 10 Sep 2021, Per Jessen wrote:
David Haller wrote:
On Thu, 09 Sep 2021, Per Jessen wrote:
I'm sure Gigaset is still owned by Siemens though.
Actually no. The english WP article[1] sums it up rather concise in the "intro" and the "history" part of the article. [snip]
So, Siemens does not have anything to do with Gigaset anymore.
Interesting, I should have read the article :-)
s. plural *scnr*
PS: I liked my Gigaset DECT phone not for very long, as usability was quite good, but battery-life just abysmal.
10-12 years ago (I think it was) when we dropped ISDN and went full-VoIP, I bought a Gigaset C470IP DECT base station with two handsets. Never looked back - we still have quite a few handsets, both at home and in the office. I like that it is easy to replace the batteries. The range is phenomenal - despite various metal obstructions and what have you.
Yeah, they really did make nice hardware, but, I do not know why, "battery" life on mine of those two AAA GP cells was abysmal. At the beginning, I could easily talk for 3-4 hours, at the end, not even one. And I did try other cells (GP ones too, per chance), and whatnot. And "just switching" to an freshly charged set, charged outside in a normal charger didn't help either. No matter what switcheroo I did of charging in or outside the set or what set of accumulators it was. Meh. Maybe it was just my handset / base that was broken. -dnh -- "Here, in the bare dark face of night / A calm unhurried eye draws sight -- We see in what we think we fear / The cloudings of our thought made clear" "A most interesting contribution, we're sure, but can we keep this just a little more focused?" -- GSV "Wisdom Like Silence" to LSV "Serious Callers Only"
On Thu, 9 Sep 2021 11:39:50 +0200 "Carlos E. R." <robin.listas@telefonica.net> wrote:
On 09/09/2021 10.37, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 08/09/2021 21.51, Dave Howorth wrote:
I had a PVR from a Korean brand called Topfield that was excellent - the API was open source so the EPG and PVR functionality was all written by enthusiastic amateurs and worked really well. Then that died and now I've got a Humax box. They have a good reputation for hardware but the software it uses is called Youview and is crap and locks up sometimes. I also keep it disconnected from the internet since they did an over-the-air update that made things worse. Bah!
If you know of a good brand, please tell! :-D
I second the Topfield recommendation, but also Technisat, Samsung and Philips are good. Technisat scored #1 and #2 in a recent review :
https://www.computerbild.de/bestenlisten/Die-besten-DVB-T2-Receiver-17301507...
Noted, thanks.
Interesting no mention of gigaset - I have one, quite old now, and it has been the best purchase I made in years. But I have no idea of current models.
It appears there are no current models. Indeed no T2 devices at all. Hence no recommendations :)
Gigaset M740AV (year 2007)
Spanish, short report:
<https://www.eferro.net/2007/01/evaluacin-de-tdt-siemens-gigaset-m740.html>
On 09/09/2021 13.02, Dave Howorth wrote:
On Thu, 9 Sep 2021 11:39:50 +0200 "Carlos E. R." <> wrote:
On 09/09/2021 10.37, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
Interesting no mention of gigaset - I have one, quite old now, and it has been the best purchase I made in years. But I have no idea of current models.
It appears there are no current models. Indeed no T2 devices at all. Hence no recommendations :)
Pity -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from oS Leap 15.2 x86_64 (Minas Tirith))
On Wed, 8 Sep 2021 14:49:48 +0200 (CEST) "Carlos E. R." <robin.listas@telefonica.net> wrote:
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How can I fsck in Linux an ntfs partition?
I don't know but I recently read a news item about a new, more capable ntfs driver that has just been incorporated into the kernel. It includes writing for one thing. Perhaps it has the capability? If so, just wait a few years for the kernel to appear in Leap :)
It is used by a TV set, no windows available here and now.
fsck appears to do nothing, there is no fsck.ntfs that I can see.
- -- Cheers,
Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE Leap 15.2 x86_64 (Minas Tirith))
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* Dave Howorth <dave@howorth.org.uk> [09-08-21 12:32]:
On Wed, 8 Sep 2021 14:49:48 +0200 (CEST) "Carlos E. R." <robin.listas@telefonica.net> wrote:
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How can I fsck in Linux an ntfs partition?
I don't know but I recently read a news item about a new, more capable ntfs driver that has just been incorporated into the kernel. It includes writing for one thing. Perhaps it has the capability?
If so, just wait a few years for the kernel to appear in Leap :)
It is used by a TV set, no windows available here and now.
fsck appears to do nothing, there is no fsck.ntfs that I can see.
- -- Cheers,
Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE Leap 15.2 x86_64 (Minas Tirith))
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On 08/09/2021 18.31, Dave Howorth wrote:
On Wed, 8 Sep 2021 14:49:48 +0200 (CEST) "Carlos E. R." <> wrote:
How can I fsck in Linux an ntfs partition?
I don't know but I recently read a news item about a new, more capable ntfs driver that has just been incorporated into the kernel. It includes writing for one thing. Perhaps it has the capability?
I have read of it as well: ----------------------- From: Andrei Z. <no-email@invalid.invalid> Subject: Paragon NTFS driver was merged in 5.15 nntp://comp.os.linux.misc kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?i... "This patch adds NTFS Read-Write driver to fs/ntfs3. Having decades of expertise in commercial file systems development and huge test coverage, we at Paragon Software GmbH want to make our contribution to the Open Source Community by providing implementation of NTFS Read-Write driver for the Linux Kernel. This is fully functional NTFS Read-Write driver. Current version works with NTFS (including v3.1) and normal/compressed/sparse files and supports journal replaying. We plan to support this version after the codebase once merged, and add new features and fix bugs. For example, full journaling support over JBD will be added in later updates" ----------------------- I will probably reformat the disk as FAT and see what does the TV to handle long recordings. If that fails, I will dd the backup image of the original image, which is ntfs.
If so, just wait a few years for the kernel to appear in Leap :)
{chuckle}
It is used by a TV set, no windows available here and now.
fsck appears to do nothing, there is no fsck.ntfs that I can see.
-- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from oS Leap 15.2 x86_64 (Minas Tirith))
Le 08/09/2021 à 19:30, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
Having decades of expertise in commercial file systems development and huge test coverage, we at Paragon
yes, Paragon is very good at making drivers :-)
I will probably reformat the disk as FAT and see what does the TV to handle long recordings. If that fails, I will dd the backup image of the original image, which is ntfs.
bit what do the tv set say about this device? it can't read it? can you read it from openSUSE? a device opened read only should not have problem. I system able to write to a system should be able to check it :-( if you have already a copy of the content, reformat it, even as ntfs. but may be the device is dead?? jdd -- http://dodin.org
On 08/09/2021 20.17, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 08/09/2021 à 19:30, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
Having decades of expertise in commercial file systems development and huge test coverage, we at Paragon
yes, Paragon is very good at making drivers :-)
I will probably reformat the disk as FAT and see what does the TV to handle long recordings. If that fails, I will dd the backup image of the original image, which is ntfs.
bit what do the tv set say about this device? it can't read it? can you read it from openSUSE?
Yes, it can be read just fine.
a device opened read only should not have problem. I system able to write to a system should be able to check it :-(
But the tuner locked hard this morning while using it in the middle of watching the news. I don't want a repeat.
if you have already a copy of the content, reformat it, even as ntfs.
but may be the device is dead??
No, it is quite new. I formated as FAT now, that one can be fsck. Will see. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from oS Leap 15.2 x86_64 (Minas Tirith))
Le 08/09/2021 à 20:37, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
Yes, it can be read just fine.
so there is no real problem. The hard lock may be just done by a bug in the tv set
No, it is quite new. I formated as FAT now, that one can be fsck. Will see.
yes. You will see if the tv set is smart enough to jump to an other file when necessary. depending of the video quality it may be each 10 mn or 20 mn (2Gb or 4Gb) jdd -- http://dodin.org
On 08/09/2021 20.45, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 08/09/2021 à 20:37, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
Yes, it can be read just fine.
so there is no real problem. The hard lock may be just done by a bug in the tv set
It certainly is a bug in the tv tuner box. No doubt of that, one of many. But, being the first lock since I bought it two months ago, and it happening after a brutal power off, the suspicion is corruption of the filesystem, and the right thing to do is verify the filesystem.
No, it is quite new. I formated as FAT now, that one can be fsck. Will see.
yes. You will see if the tv set is smart enough to jump to an other file when necessary.
Right.
depending of the video quality it may be each 10 mn or 20 mn (2Gb or 4Gb)
It is recording an HD channel now. I don't expect problems there, but I also play back on the TV recordings of movies I have on the computer, and these can certainly be bigger. If so, you will see me asking how to split movies at 2 gigs without recoding ;-) -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from oS Leap 15.2 x86_64 (Minas Tirith))
Le 08/09/2021 à 21:38, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
If so, you will see me asking how to split movies at 2 gigs without recoding ;-)
avidemux, cutting on key frames (only way to avoid recoding). Extremely fast jdd -- http://dodin.org
On 08/09/2021 22.30, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 08/09/2021 à 21:38, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
If so, you will see me asking how to split movies at 2 gigs without recoding ;-)
avidemux, cutting on key frames (only way to avoid recoding). Extremely fast
I think ffmpeg can, too, using the COPY codec. haven't looked at how to specify length in gigabytes. Even aprox would do. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from oS Leap 15.2 x86_64 (Minas Tirith))
Le 08/09/2021 à 22:39, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
On 08/09/2021 22.30, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 08/09/2021 à 21:38, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
If so, you will see me asking how to split movies at 2 gigs without recoding ;-)
avidemux, cutting on key frames (only way to avoid recoding). Extremely fast
I think ffmpeg can, too, using the COPY codec. haven't looked at how to specify length in gigabytes. Even aprox would do.
avidemux is graphical, you look, check beginning and ending, choose mp4 muxer and go But avidemux do what it say, that is *cut* on the indicated frame, do *not* do any change. So if you don't cut on a key frame the video start or finish may be junky. There is a dedicated icon to jump to next or previous key frame. Instant result. else kdenlive do the same with any frames but recode. same quality, but much longer coding. Most of my videos are made with kdenlive. jdd -- http://dodin.org
Hello, On Wed, 08 Sep 2021, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 08/09/2021 à 22:39, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
On 08/09/2021 22.30, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 08/09/2021 à 21:38, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
If so, you will see me asking how to split movies at 2 gigs without recoding ;-)
avidemux, cutting on key frames (only way to avoid recoding). Extremely fast
I think ffmpeg can, too, using the COPY codec. haven't looked at how to specify length in gigabytes. Even aprox would do.
avidemux is graphical, you look, check beginning and ending, choose mp4 muxer and go
$ mkvmerge --split size:2g -o out.mkv in.whatever If you get a warning about missing timecodes, try muxing into an mkv first and then splitting that, i.e.: $ mkvmerge -o tmp.mkv in.whatever $ mkvmerge --split size:2g -o out.mkv tmp.mkv HTH, -dnh --
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On 09/09/2021 12.06, David Haller wrote:
Hello,
On Wed, 08 Sep 2021, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 08/09/2021 à 22:39, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
On 08/09/2021 22.30, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 08/09/2021 à 21:38, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
If so, you will see me asking how to split movies at 2 gigs without recoding ;-)
avidemux, cutting on key frames (only way to avoid recoding). Extremely fast
I think ffmpeg can, too, using the COPY codec. haven't looked at how to specify length in gigabytes. Even aprox would do.
avidemux is graphical, you look, check beginning and ending, choose mp4 muxer and go
$ mkvmerge --split size:2g -o out.mkv in.whatever
If you get a warning about missing timecodes, try muxing into an mkv first and then splitting that, i.e.:
$ mkvmerge -o tmp.mkv in.whatever $ mkvmerge --split size:2g -o out.mkv tmp.mkv
Thanks, another trick to the box :-) -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from oS Leap 15.2 x86_64 (Minas Tirith))
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