[opensuse] using old IDE laptop
Just a word to say what did a friend of mine. He had a laptop he liked, but the disk died and it was an IDE disk. So no possibility to set a new disk: ide laptop disks are difficult to find, and sata disk with interface do not fit. But msata do. And you can find easily cheap ide to msata converters, and now msata disks are pretty cheap (last one I buy last week, 250Gb for 37€ laptop saved from obsolescence :-) jdd -- http://dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 02/26/2019 09:54 AM, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Just a word to say what did a friend of mine.
He had a laptop he liked, but the disk died and it was an IDE disk.
So no possibility to set a new disk: ide laptop disks are difficult to find, and sata disk with interface do not fit.
But msata do. And you can find easily cheap ide to msata converters, and now msata disks are pretty cheap (last one I buy last week, 250Gb for 37€
laptop saved from obsolescence :-)
jdd
Good to know. I still have a drawer of 2.5 Inch IDE drives, but the msata conversion would be a good alternative (but throughput limited by the IDE interface) I found https://www.amazon.com/Ableconn-IIDE-MSAT-2-5-Inch-Converter-Aluminum/dp/B01... that look interesting. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 26/02/2019 à 19:46, David C. Rankin a écrit :
I found https://www.amazon.com/Ableconn-IIDE-MSAT-2-5-Inch-Converter-Aluminum/dp/B01... that look interesting.
xtremely expensive! https://fr.aliexpress.com/item/Mecall-mSATA-SSD-To-44-Pin-IDE-Converter-Adap... jdd -- http://dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 26/02/2019 19.46, David C. Rankin wrote:
On 02/26/2019 09:54 AM, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Just a word to say what did a friend of mine.
He had a laptop he liked, but the disk died and it was an IDE disk.
So no possibility to set a new disk: ide laptop disks are difficult to find, and sata disk with interface do not fit.
But msata do. And you can find easily cheap ide to msata converters, and now msata disks are pretty cheap (last one I buy last week, 250Gb for 37€
laptop saved from obsolescence :-)
jdd
Good to know. I still have a drawer of 2.5 Inch IDE drives, but the msata conversion would be a good alternative (but throughput limited by the IDE interface)
But practically instantaneous access time. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.0 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On 26/02/2019 16.54, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Just a word to say what did a friend of mine.
He had a laptop he liked, but the disk died and it was an IDE disk.
So no possibility to set a new disk: ide laptop disks are difficult to find, and sata disk with interface do not fit.
But msata do. And you can find easily cheap ide to msata converters, and now msata disks are pretty cheap (last one I buy last week, 250Gb for 37€
Curious!
laptop saved from obsolescence :-)
My old one is 32 bit. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.0 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On 01/03/2019 02.03, David C. Rankin wrote:
On 02/26/2019 01:22 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
laptop saved from obsolescence :-) My old one is 32 bit.
Don't knock 32-bit -- my office computer is still 32-bit :)
Tell me where I can find Leap 15.0-32b to install on it. No? Then my 32bit machines stay in the house museum. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.0 x86_64 at Telcontar)
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 01/03/2019 02.03, David C. Rankin wrote:
On 02/26/2019 01:22 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
laptop saved from obsolescence :-) My old one is 32 bit.
Don't knock 32-bit -- my office computer is still 32-bit :)
Tell me where I can find Leap 15.0-32b to install on it.
No? Then my 32bit machines stay in the house museum.
<nitpick> You can have Leap15 32bit on ARM machines, plenty of them :-) </nitpick> According to documentation, even a brand new Raspi 3 will default to 32bit mode. (it does both). I'll probably install one today, I'll let you know. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (10.1°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - your free DNS host, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 01/03/2019 08.11, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 01/03/2019 02.03, David C. Rankin wrote:
On 02/26/2019 01:22 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
laptop saved from obsolescence :-) My old one is 32 bit.
Don't knock 32-bit -- my office computer is still 32-bit :)
Tell me where I can find Leap 15.0-32b to install on it.
No? Then my 32bit machines stay in the house museum.
<nitpick> You can have Leap15 32bit on ARM machines, plenty of them :-) </nitpick>
Ah, but my personal museum has none of them :-p So I can not use my old laptop. I got it as a give away by its previous owner as useless crap. An expensive machine at its time. 500 MB of ram, I think. Now it has openSUSE 13.1 on it. It worked as my house server till end of support.
According to documentation, even a brand new Raspi 3 will default to 32bit mode. (it does both). I'll probably install one today, I'll let you know.
One day I'll try... -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.0 x86_64 at Telcontar)
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 01/03/2019 08.11, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 01/03/2019 02.03, David C. Rankin wrote:
On 02/26/2019 01:22 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
laptop saved from obsolescence :-) My old one is 32 bit.
Don't knock 32-bit -- my office computer is still 32-bit :)
Tell me where I can find Leap 15.0-32b to install on it.
No? Then my 32bit machines stay in the house museum.
<nitpick> You can have Leap15 32bit on ARM machines, plenty of them :-) </nitpick>
Ah, but my personal museum has none of them :-p
So I can not use my old laptop. I got it as a give away by its previous owner as useless crap. An expensive machine at its time. 500 MB of ram, I think.
That does sound like useless crap :-)
According to documentation, even a brand new Raspi 3 will default to 32bit mode. (it does both). I'll probably install one today, I'll let you know.
The KDE appliance image for Raspi3 is for 64bit mode only, afaict. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (8.8°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - virtual servers, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 01/03/2019 11.44, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 01/03/2019 08.11, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 01/03/2019 02.03, David C. Rankin wrote:
On 02/26/2019 01:22 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> laptop saved from obsolescence :-) My old one is 32 bit.
Don't knock 32-bit -- my office computer is still 32-bit :)
Tell me where I can find Leap 15.0-32b to install on it.
No? Then my 32bit machines stay in the house museum.
<nitpick> You can have Leap15 32bit on ARM machines, plenty of them :-) </nitpick>
Ah, but my personal museum has none of them :-p
So I can not use my old laptop. I got it as a give away by its previous owner as useless crap. An expensive machine at its time. 500 MB of ram, I think.
That does sound like useless crap :-)
It fulfilled the home server role very well for about two or three years :-) I installed on it a new PATA internal disk, and added two large external disks on USB 2, encrypted. Worked 24*7 at a very low load average. Being a laptop meant it used little space, yet had a keyboard and display for managing it when needed.
According to documentation, even a brand new Raspi 3 will default to 32bit mode. (it does both). I'll probably install one today, I'll let you know.
The KDE appliance image for Raspi3 is for 64bit mode only, afaict.
Ah. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.0 x86_64 at Telcontar)
Op vrijdag 1 maart 2019 11:57:48 CET schreef Carlos E. R.:
On 01/03/2019 11.44, Per Jessen wrote:
That does sound like useless crap :-)
It fulfilled the home server role very well for about two or three years :-)
I installed on it a new PATA internal disk, and added two large external disks on USB 2, encrypted. Worked 24*7 at a very low load average.
Being a laptop meant it used little space, yet had a keyboard and display for managing it when needed.
Tumbleweed still has a 32 bits version of the OS. I run TW (Raspberry Pi 3, 64bits) on my server and on an old system (32 bits) of a friend. Works very stable. I do upgrades first on a separate system, my desktop.
According to documentation, even a brand new Raspi 3 will default to 32bit mode. (it does both). I'll probably install one today, I'll let you know.
I use the aarch64 version of TW on the Raspberry Pi 3 and on a Banana Pi M64.
The KDE appliance image for Raspi3 is for 64bit mode only, afaict.
If you want KDE on such a system I would recommend to use the Banana Pi M64, which has 2GB memory. See the wiki on how to install. It uses the same repository as the one used by the Raspberry Pi 3 (aarch64). -- fr.gr. member openSUSE Freek de Kruijf -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 01/03/2019 à 02:16, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
Tell me where I can find Leap 15.0-32b to install on it.
No? Then my 32bit machines stay in the house museum.
tumbleweed have a 32 bit version, I use it for very old HP laptops, still running with less than 1Gb ram jdd -- http://dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 01/03/2019 08.36, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 01/03/2019 à 02:16, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
Tell me where I can find Leap 15.0-32b to install on it.
No? Then my 32bit machines stay in the house museum.
tumbleweed have a 32 bit version, I use it for very old HP laptops, still running with less than 1Gb ram
You know what I think about TW... if I say here that again we get a flame war :-p -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.0 x86_64 at Telcontar)
Le 01/03/2019 à 10:25, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
You know what I think about TW... if I say here that again we get a flame war :-p
it works pretty well on old machines. else debian... jdd -- http://dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 01/03/2019 12.57, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 01/03/2019 à 10:25, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
You know what I think about TW... if I say here that again we get a flame war :-p
it works pretty well on old machines. else debian...
No doubt. But I'm not prepared to be doing shiny new updates every other day, nor to invest in learning another distro ropes. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.0 x86_64 at Telcontar)
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 01/03/2019 12.57, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 01/03/2019 à 10:25, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
You know what I think about TW... if I say here that again we get a flame war :-p
it works pretty well on old machines. else debian...
No doubt.
But I'm not prepared to be doing shiny new updates every other day, nor to invest in learning another distro ropes.
Well, you don't *have* to. I regularly do it on my laptop, but the machine at home still runs the 'christmas edition'.... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
* Carlos E. R. <robin.listas@telefonica.net> [03-01-19 07:14]:
On 01/03/2019 12.57, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 01/03/2019 à 10:25, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
You know what I think about TW... if I say here that again we get a flame war :-p
it works pretty well on old machines. else debian...
No doubt.
But I'm not prepared to be doing shiny new updates every other day, nor to invest in learning another distro ropes.
you don't have, unless you want to. and it is a big learning curve, using dup insead of up. that said, being capable of running and maintaining Tumbleweed means you are also capable of the same with the Leap versions. it is a choice which presents a solution to your particular condition. ps: by maligning the solution you also malign the person posing it. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 01/03/2019 13.40, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Carlos E. R. <...@telefonica.net> [03-01-19 07:14]:
On 01/03/2019 12.57, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 01/03/2019 à 10:25, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
You know what I think about TW... if I say here that again we get a flame war :-p
it works pretty well on old machines. else debian...
No doubt.
But I'm not prepared to be doing shiny new updates every other day, nor to invest in learning another distro ropes.
you don't have, unless you want to. and it is a big learning curve, using dup insead of up. that said, being capable of running and maintaining Tumbleweed means you are also capable of the same with the Leap versions. it is a choice which presents a solution to your particular condition.
About learning: I was referring to learning Debian.
ps: by maligning the solution you also malign the person posing it.
Why do you say that I'm maligning the solution? You are assuming an intention I do not have. I simply state my case. *Me* does not want to be updating frequently, nor to use brand new versions. And the machine being a server that faces internet, updates are mandatory. So my choice is Leap. I can choose, right? And it just happens that Leap doesn't have a 32 bit version. It is just a fact, I'm not blaming anyone, not even criticizing. So that's the end, the machine goes to the museum, and me bought a new machine. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.0 x86_64 at Telcontar)
* Carlos E. R. <robin.listas@telefonica.net> [03-01-19 15:09]:
On 01/03/2019 13.40, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Carlos E. R. <...@telefonica.net> [03-01-19 07:14]:
On 01/03/2019 12.57, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 01/03/2019 à 10:25, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
You know what I think about TW... if I say here that again we get a flame war :-p
it works pretty well on old machines. else debian...
No doubt.
But I'm not prepared to be doing shiny new updates every other day, nor to invest in learning another distro ropes.
you don't have, unless you want to. and it is a big learning curve, using dup insead of up. that said, being capable of running and maintaining Tumbleweed means you are also capable of the same with the Leap versions. it is a choice which presents a solution to your particular condition.
About learning: I was referring to learning Debian.
ps: by maligning the solution you also malign the person posing it.
Why do you say that I'm maligning the solution? You are assuming an intention I do not have.
your words: "You know what I think about TW... if I say here that again we get a flame war :-p"
I simply state my case. *Me* does not want to be updating frequently, nor to use brand new versions. And the machine being a server that faces internet, updates are mandatory.
no, updates are not mandatory, but you have been told that several times. security updates are strongly suggested but that applies for any and all versions of any distro.
So my choice is Leap. I can choose, right?
most certainly. also you didn't indicate that the move was not a consideration until now and much after your comment.
And it just happens that Leap doesn't have a 32 bit version. It is just a fact, I'm not blaming anyone, not even criticizing.
then just say that you do not want to move from Leap
So that's the end, the machine goes to the museum, and me bought a new machine.
and that is your choice but not the only possibility available. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 01/03/2019 21.36, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Carlos E. R. <...@telefonica.net> [03-01-19 15:09]:
On 01/03/2019 13.40, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Carlos E. R. <...@telefonica.net> [03-01-19 07:14]:
On 01/03/2019 12.57, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 01/03/2019 à 10:25, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
You know what I think about TW... if I say here that again we get a flame war :-p
it works pretty well on old machines. else debian...
No doubt.
But I'm not prepared to be doing shiny new updates every other day, nor to invest in learning another distro ropes.
you don't have, unless you want to. and it is a big learning curve, using dup insead of up. that said, being capable of running and maintaining Tumbleweed means you are also capable of the same with the Leap versions. it is a choice which presents a solution to your particular condition.
About learning: I was referring to learning Debian.
ps: by maligning the solution you also malign the person posing it.
Why do you say that I'm maligning the solution? You are assuming an intention I do not have.
your words: "You know what I think about TW... if I say here that again we get a flame war :-p"
There is a smiley there.
I simply state my case. *Me* does not want to be updating frequently, nor to use brand new versions. And the machine being a server that faces internet, updates are mandatory.
no, updates are not mandatory, but you have been told that several times. security updates are strongly suggested but that applies for any and all versions of any distro.
/I/ consider them mandatory. As the update repo is not normally used, there is no automatic way to know which are really important or security related. So I do all.
So my choice is Leap. I can choose, right?
most certainly. also you didn't indicate that the move was not a consideration until now and much after your comment.
And it just happens that Leap doesn't have a 32 bit version. It is just a fact, I'm not blaming anyone, not even criticizing.
then just say that you do not want to move from Leap
Words words...
So that's the end, the machine goes to the museum, and me bought a new machine.
and that is your choice but not the only possibility available.
For me and my circumstances, it is the only one. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.0 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On 2019-03-01 3:07 p.m., Carlos E. R. wrote:
I simply state my case. *Me* does not want to be updating frequently, nor to use brand new versions.
Then get a cell phone. (Or do you call them 'mobiles' like the Brits?) Possibly one more than 3 years old. My experience is that a phone-under-contract *might* get an update from your service provider the first year, but not thereafter. I have perfectly good phones now six years old whose only shortcoming is that they pop up an advert for a casino, game or financial investment on every transition. I'm sure they would serve well as some sort of server where you don't need to look at the screen and these adverts. Heck, I've used my old Newton as a web server on the 'net and even my old crappy S2, the model before the one trump uses to tweet, is immensely more powerful, even if its handwriting apps come nowhere near the capability of the old Newton. <quote src="https://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/how-to-make-an-android-server/"> Android can act as a Web server because it requires very little processing power to run a site. You can use it to host a family site or just storing pages locally. A Web server uses the HTTP protocol and while is easy for Android to run, may be difficult to setup depending on what you want to do with it. File Server A file server is pretty straightforward and easy to run because all it does it create a directory where you can upload and download files from. While Android devices don’t have too much space, many can be expanded with MicroSD cards or external storage and a file server is a great way to store files of all shapes and sizes with it. A file server typically uses the FTP protocol. </quote> I picked up a handful of 256G MicroSD cards for about $5 each. Real crap. They work in my phones, tablets and even my cameras (but are a bit slow) but for some reason are unreadable on my PC. Strange that, eh? And the spec on the phones say that 64G is the max but it seems not to be the case. Errors? At low speeds, apparently not. But hey, suddenly I have a few servers! <quote src="https://observer.com/2017/08/cell-phone-servers-princeton-university/"> The researchers propose networking old cell phones together on server racks, using only their system on chips to run computations. Intriguingly, they suggest that nothing physically needs to be done with the the phone itself. In fact, there could be benefits to leaving it intact. For example, the batteries on board could be used to even out energy usage during periods of peak demand on the grid (a benefit that comes at no extra cost). Further, phones rendered unusable to people because of badly damaged screens would work perfectly fine in a server, as long as the processors still work. </quote> -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 03/03/2019 15.46, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 2019-03-01 3:07 p.m., Carlos E. R. wrote:
I simply state my case. *Me* does not want to be updating frequently, nor to use brand new versions.
Then get a cell phone. (Or do you call them 'mobiles' like the Brits?) Possibly one more than 3 years old.
Why would I use a cell phone instead of Linux? My best choice is openSUSE Leap. It is not perfect, but it is good enough, and I have no intention to replace with a phone. Anyway, the point they were trying to convince me, is to install Tumbleweed into my old 32 bits laptop, which I will not do. Your idea to use a phone instead of a computer is very far off-target. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.0 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On 2019-03-03 3:00 p.m., Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 03/03/2019 15.46, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 2019-03-01 3:07 p.m., Carlos E. R. wrote:
I simply state my case. *Me* does not want to be updating frequently, nor to use brand new versions.
Then get a cell phone. (Or do you call them 'mobiles' like the Brits?) Possibly one more than 3 years old.
Why would I use a cell phone instead of Linux?
But a cell phone, certainly Android, and that's almost every brand except Apple, is running Linux. Once you get past the the different GUI all the Linux features are there; file system most of the commands ...
My best choice is openSUSE Leap. It is not perfect, but it is good enough, and I have no intention to replace with a phone.
Just about any version of Linux is good enough. Even the version under Android.
Your idea to use a phone instead of a computer is very far off-target.
But it *IS* a computer. As Alan cooper points out we don't have phones, cameras, cars, aeroplanes, torpedoes & guided missiles any more, rather we have computers with specialized peripherals. ultimately it is about the application software. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 03/03/2019 23.56, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 2019-03-03 3:00 p.m., Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 03/03/2019 15.46, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 2019-03-01 3:07 p.m., Carlos E. R. wrote:
I simply state my case. *Me* does not want to be updating frequently, nor to use brand new versions.
Then get a cell phone. (Or do you call them 'mobiles' like the Brits?) Possibly one more than 3 years old.
Why would I use a cell phone instead of Linux?
But a cell phone, certainly Android, and that's almost every brand except Apple, is running Linux. Once you get past the the different GUI all the Linux features are there; file system most of the commands ...
My best choice is openSUSE Leap. It is not perfect, but it is good enough, and I have no intention to replace with a phone.
Just about any version of Linux is good enough. Even the version under Android.
But it is not openSUSE. It is a fake Linux. I can not run YaST and install my packages. No way. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.0 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On 2019-03-03 6:20 p.m., Carlos E. R. wrote:
But it is not openSUSE. It is a fake Linux. I can not run YaST and install my packages.
No, its a real version of Linux. What packages do you need to install? Some server or other? It might be available for Android anyway. I'm not sure why you're hung up about only USING openSUSE. I know it is now available for the Pi, but it wasn't always. And many of us consider YaST to be somewhat of a mixed blessing, a "curate's egg" of management tools. Having had to use Windows management tools, I'll grant you I'd rather choose YaST if you force me to use a GUI on threat of painful death, but I'm quite comfortable with CLI administration of Linux and that too is an option for Android. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 3/3/19 6:23 PM, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 2019-03-03 6:20 p.m., Carlos E. R. wrote:
But it is not openSUSE. It is a fake Linux. I can not run YaST and install my packages.
No, its a real version of Linux.
What packages do you need to install? Some server or other? It might be available for Android anyway.
I'm not sure why you're hung up about only USING openSUSE. I know it is now available for the Pi, but it wasn't always. And many of us consider YaST to be somewhat of a mixed blessing, a "curate's egg" of management tools. Having had to use Windows management tools, I'll grant you I'd rather choose YaST if you force me to use a GUI on threat of painful death, but I'm quite comfortable with CLI administration of Linux and that too is an option for Android.
Carlos, methinks Anton missed the humor in your comment. In the spirit of the OP, I now have some possible use for the several old android tablets piled up in the corner. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 03/03/2019 09:58 PM, Stevens wrote:
On 3/3/19 6:23 PM, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 2019-03-03 6:20 p.m., Carlos E. R. wrote:
But it is not openSUSE. It is a fake Linux. I can not run YaST and install my packages.
No, its a real version of Linux.
What packages do you need to install? Some server or other? It might be available for Android anyway.
I'm not sure why you're hung up about only USING openSUSE. I know it is now available for the Pi, but it wasn't always. And many of us consider YaST to be somewhat of a mixed blessing, a "curate's egg" of management tools. Having had to use Windows management tools, I'll grant you I'd rather choose YaST if you force me to use a GUI on threat of painful death, but I'm quite comfortable with CLI administration of Linux and that too is an option for Android.
Carlos, methinks Anton missed the humor in your comment.
In the spirit of the OP, I now have some possible use for the several old android tablets piled up in the corner.
Just out of curiosity, how do you access a command prompt on an Android device? And what shell does it use? And what do you do about libraries that an app might need? I do have a couple of tablets that are unused here, and it might be interesting to get some use out of one. --doug, WA2SAY -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 03/03/2019 10:20 PM, Doug wrote:
Just out of curiosity, how do you access a command prompt on an Android device?
This is just one of a few on Google Play. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=jackpal.androidterm -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 04/03/2019 04.48, James Knott wrote:
On 03/03/2019 10:20 PM, Doug wrote:
Just out of curiosity, how do you access a command prompt on an Android device?
This is just one of a few on Google Play. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=jackpal.androidterm
I have used one, but they are cumbersome. They also need changing the "keyboard". And the available commands are limited. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.0 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On 03/03/2019 10:20 PM, Doug wrote:
On 03/03/2019 09:58 PM, Stevens wrote:
On 3/3/19 6:23 PM, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 2019-03-03 6:20 p.m., Carlos E. R. wrote:
But it is not openSUSE. It is a fake Linux. I can not run YaST and install my packages.
No, its a real version of Linux.
Just out of curiosity, how do you access a command prompt on an Android device? And what shell does it use? And what do you do about libraries that an app might need? I do have a couple of tablets that are unused here, and it might be interesting to get some use out of one.
--doug, WA2SAY
OK, I got the app on the Android phone, by means of Google installing it. What about a tablet? I don't know if one of my tablets connects to Google--I doubt it. --doug -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 04/03/2019 06.39, Doug wrote:
On 03/03/2019 10:20 PM, Doug wrote:
Just out of curiosity, how do you access a command prompt on an Android device? And what shell does it use? And what do you do about libraries that an app might need? I do have a couple of tablets that are unused here, and it might be interesting to get some use out of one.
OK, I got the app on the Android phone, by means of Google installing it. What about a tablet? I don't know if one of my tablets connects to Google--I doubt it.
On my first tablet I had to install first Google Play and a google account. Originally it used another market. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.0 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On 2019-03-04 12:39 a.m., Doug wrote:
OK, I got the app on the Android phone, by means of Google installing it. What about a tablet? I don't know if one of my tablets connects to Google--I doubt it.
--doug
Dunno. My table is an Samsung and uses Android & PlayStore. What's your? -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2019-03-03 10:20 p.m., Doug wrote:
Just out of curiosity, how do you access a command prompt on an Android device? And what shell does it use?
Well on answer is GoGoogle I recall doing that a couple of years ago and getting a shell and thinking "Cool" and then getting on with other things, so I had to GoGoogle again: https://www.androidcentral.com/10-basic-terminal-commands-you-should-know https://www.techrepublic.com/article/how-to-get-a-linux-terminal-on-android/ Perhaps more interesting: https://www.techrepublic.com/article/easily-make-an-ssh-connection-from-your... http://www.firmcodes.com/how-to-connect-android-phone-to-pc-using-ssh-putty/ At one time I found a Xterm server and accessed the Thunderbird on my PC from it over my home wifi. But to be honest one I'd proven to myself I could do all this I soon lost interest.
And what do you do about libraries that an app might need?
As far as I can tell any app you load brings in the necessary libraries, even if that does men duplication.
I do have a couple of tablets that are unused here, and it might be interesting to get some use out of one.
I don't know abut "use" but sating curiosity, certainly.
--doug, WA2SAY
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On 3/3/19 9:20 PM, Doug wrote:
Just out of curiosity, how do you access a command prompt on an Android device? And what shell does it use? And what do you do about libraries that an app might need? I do have a couple of tablets that are unused here, and it might be interesting to get some use out of one.
--doug, WA2SAY
Well, in my case, I wifi'ed to the net via my router, downloaded the apps to root the tablets (android v4.4, IIRC) and followed the procedures found in various youtube video how-tos. Is it a perfect solution? No, but I didn't expect it to be. They are, after all, cheap tablets running an old version of android on an ARM processor but they do work. One is running a SSTV receive app that prints a screen full of stuff when it hears a suitable signal in the shack. Sometimes it is even recognizable as a valid sstv signal. It also does cw receive the same way if I use it for that, which I don't, since I do about 35 or so in my head better than it does. Enjoy the challenge. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 04/03/2019 01.23, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 2019-03-03 6:20 p.m., Carlos E. R. wrote:
But it is not openSUSE. It is a fake Linux. I can not run YaST and install my packages.
No, its a real version of Linux.
It is not. It doesn't run text mode. It doesn't run an X server. I can not ssh to it.
What packages do you need to install? Some server or other? It might be available for Android anyway.
mldonkey, for instance. full kodi, with certain proprietary addon. Programs of my own done in Lazarus. The CLI program that accesses my power strip. cron scripts Also, phones do not have 3 full USB3 connectors to connect 3 external huge hard disks at full speed. Nor does it have an Ethernet connector.
I'm not sure why you're hung up about only USING openSUSE. I know it is now available for the Pi, but it wasn't always. And many of us consider YaST to be somewhat of a mixed blessing, a "curate's egg" of management tools. Having had to use Windows management tools, I'll grant you I'd rather choose YaST if you force me to use a GUI on threat of painful death, but I'm quite comfortable with CLI administration of Linux and that too is an option for Android.
-- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.0 x86_64 at Telcontar)
* Carlos E. R. <robin.listas@telefonica.net> [03-04-19 04:38]:
On 04/03/2019 01.23, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 2019-03-03 6:20 p.m., Carlos E. R. wrote:
But it is not openSUSE. It is a fake Linux. I can not run YaST and install my packages.
No, its a real version of Linux.
It is not. It doesn't run text mode. It doesn't run an X server. I can not ssh to it.
but you can and it can still be linux w/o presenting a graphics mode. your phone when on your network has a local ip addr
What packages do you need to install? Some server or other? It might be available for Android anyway.
mldonkey, for instance.
full kodi, with certain proprietary addon.
Programs of my own done in Lazarus.
The CLI program that accesses my power strip.
cron
scripts
https://play.google.com https://f-droid.org/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Android_app_stores https://theappsolutions.com/blog/marketing/alternative-android-app-stores/
Also, phones do not have 3 full USB3 connectors to connect 3 external huge hard disks at full speed. Nor does it have an Ethernet connector.
but nearly all have one which can have a multi-port adapter connected. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2019-03-04 4:36 a.m., Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 04/03/2019 01.23, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 2019-03-03 6:20 p.m., Carlos E. R. wrote:
But it is not openSUSE. It is a fake Linux. I can not run YaST and install my packages.
No, its a real version of Linux.
It is not. It doesn't run text mode. It doesn't run an X server. I can not ssh to it.
That does not prove it is not real Linux. Heck, I used REAL UNIX as in a note on the 9-track tape reel, for many years and that didn't have SSH or X-Windows on it. There are a LOT of Linux servers out there supplying pages to the net where you can't access them by X or SSH, only HTTPS. That doesn't make them 'not real Linux'. The presence of absence of a specific application or the accessibility of same to an individual has nothing to do with whether this is 'real Linux' or not. As it happens I have, at various times, run SSH as nth client and server on my phones and tablets, and run X-Server on my tablet (I decided three wasn't enough screen real estate to bother for my phone). It's a case of "I refute you thusly!" As I said, loading or not loading an particular application has nothing what so ever to do with whether it is 'real' Linux or not.
Also, phones do not have 3 full USB3 connectors to connect 3 external huge hard disks at full speed. Nor does it have an Ethernet connector.
Well under my desk is an old HP laptop with a broken screen and the original drive running openSUSE 4.1 and MariaDB for my local web server. It only has one USB port. The drive is neither very large nor very fast. Apart from a SSH server and some other background stuff like CRON, that DB server is the only stuff running. Not running X takes a great load off it! being an old machine it does have only a 10MHz Ethernet. My tablet DOES have a USB3 connector and I have a 'spider' that expands that to FOUR ports. Sometimes I have the need to use one for a powerbank. More often I plug in USB keys with very large (as in 256G) microSD cards or connect to the USB ports on my PC. Oddly enough I can also connect to Ethernet with an appropriate dongle, but since my tablet has Wi-Fi and that seems to be faster than the Ethernet on the laptop mentioned above it is not a limiting feature. I've written in the last about the CPU equivalent of RAID. Yes we do have efficient SIMD machines; 4-core seems ubiquitous and I'm seeing announcements of 24-core and more. But these are on one chip and we are still running what amounts to monolithic applications with a bit of multi-threading. We still don't have much in the way of truly separated application, different parts running on diverse machines. David Cheriton proved this was not only possible but practical with the "V System" a few decades ago. He also showed that with small enough 'fragmentation' of the application and efficient IPC the boost in performance from 'non-blocking', even at the kernel level (he demonstrated this with a distributed disk driver) is immense for a wide range of modern applications. I recall seeing his IPC being ported to a version of Vax based BSD4.3 back in the mid 1980s but there wasn't the follow-on application development. A Large Array of Redundant Processors (and GPUs if it comes to that) offers an interesting possibility for heavily parallel processing. What's that? The LARP acronym is already taken? -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 04/03/2019 14.47, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 2019-03-04 4:36 a.m., Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 04/03/2019 01.23, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 2019-03-03 6:20 p.m., Carlos E. R. wrote:
But it is not openSUSE. It is a fake Linux. I can not run YaST and install my packages.
No, its a real version of Linux.
It is not. It doesn't run text mode. It doesn't run an X server. I can not ssh to it.
That does not prove it is not real Linux. ... The presence of absence of a specific application or the accessibility of same to an individual has nothing to do with whether this is 'real Linux' or not. ...
Also, phones do not have 3 full USB3 connectors to connect 3 external huge hard disks at full speed. Nor does it have an Ethernet connector.
Well under my desk is an old HP laptop with a broken screen and the original drive running openSUSE 4.1 and MariaDB for my local web server. It only has one USB port. The drive is neither very large nor very fast. Apart from a SSH server and some other background stuff like CRON, that DB server is the only stuff running. Not running X takes a great load off it! being an old machine it does have only a 10MHz Ethernet.
All that makes them not usable to me in the role of replacing my home server. (X and ssh and huge disks and reasonable Ethernet are a must have) "Trying" is just a curiosity. I'm not interested. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.0 x86_64 at Telcontar)
It is a real Linux.
No, its a real version of Linux.
It is not. It doesn't run text mode. It doesn't run an X server. I can not ssh to it.
Check out Termux, a decent "distribution" (of sorts) for android phones. https://termux.com/ -- __________________________________________________________________________ Josef Fortier Systems Administrator fortier@augsburg.edu Phone: 612-330-1479 __________________________________________________________________________ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
* Carlos E. R. <robin.listas@telefonica.net> [03-03-19 18:21]:
On 03/03/2019 23.56, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 2019-03-03 3:00 p.m., Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 03/03/2019 15.46, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 2019-03-01 3:07 p.m., Carlos E. R. wrote:
I simply state my case. *Me* does not want to be updating frequently, nor to use brand new versions.
Then get a cell phone. (Or do you call them 'mobiles' like the Brits?) Possibly one more than 3 years old.
Why would I use a cell phone instead of Linux?
But a cell phone, certainly Android, and that's almost every brand except Apple, is running Linux. Once you get past the the different GUI all the Linux features are there; file system most of the commands ...
My best choice is openSUSE Leap. It is not perfect, but it is good enough, and I have no intention to replace with a phone.
Just about any version of Linux is good enough. Even the version under Android.
But it is not openSUSE. It is a fake Linux. I can not run YaST and install my packages.
No way.
but that was not one of your requirements when you posed the topic. iirc, only that a 32-bit install was not possible. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 04/03/2019 01.24, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Carlos E. R. <robin.listas@telefonica.net> [03-03-19 18:21]:
On 03/03/2019 23.56, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 2019-03-03 3:00 p.m., Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 03/03/2019 15.46, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 2019-03-01 3:07 p.m., Carlos E. R. wrote:
I simply state my case. *Me* does not want to be updating frequently, nor to use brand new versions.
Then get a cell phone. (Or do you call them 'mobiles' like the Brits?) Possibly one more than 3 years old.
Why would I use a cell phone instead of Linux?
But a cell phone, certainly Android, and that's almost every brand except Apple, is running Linux. Once you get past the the different GUI all the Linux features are there; file system most of the commands ...
My best choice is openSUSE Leap. It is not perfect, but it is good enough, and I have no intention to replace with a phone.
Just about any version of Linux is good enough. Even the version under Android.
But it is not openSUSE. It is a fake Linux. I can not run YaST and install my packages.
No way.
but that was not one of your requirements when you posed the topic. iirc, only that a 32-bit install was not possible.
The proposed idea was to put to use again old 32 bit IDE laptops, because there is a gadget that allows connecting new fast msata disks using "cheap ide to msata converters". This I find interesting. /My/ requirement is to use openSUSE Leap on them, not Tumbleweed. I know this is not feasible, so I will not do it. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.0 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On 2019-03-04 4:44 a.m., Carlos E.R. wrote:
/My/ requirement is to use openSUSE Leap on them, not Tumbleweed. I know this is not feasible, so I will not do it.
Why is it a binding requirement? Firstly many on this list are quite happily running pre-LEAP openSuSE. Secondly there are quite a number of alternative implementations or version of Linux, many of which have been geared/configured for specific purposes. What's that? They are not for Pi? Well ask the specific developers to recompile them! It seems crazy to me that in this day and age there are people who insist on downloading and compiling their own systems as in Days of Yore, but obviously three are people who think that since I've run SSH and X-Windows on my tablet and have an interesting in IPC-based LARP I must be crazy. Not like Abbot/Costello uncle was crazy though. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 04/03/2019 14.58, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 2019-03-04 4:44 a.m., Carlos E.R. wrote:
/My/ requirement is to use openSUSE Leap on them, not Tumbleweed. I know this is not feasible, so I will not do it.
Why is it a binding requirement?
Again? :-(
Firstly many on this list are quite happily running pre-LEAP openSuSE.
Sure. Me will not put an internet facing machine on that (and yes, I also have machines running those versions).
Secondly there are quite a number of alternative implementations or version of Linux, many of which have been geared/configured for specific purposes. What's that? They are not for Pi? Well ask the specific developers to recompile them!
Sure. I like openSUSE and feel comfortable with it. Using different takes me out of my comfort zone. So, no.
It seems crazy to me that in this day and age there are people who insist on downloading and compiling their own systems as in Days of Yore, but obviously three are people who think that since I've run SSH and X-Windows on my tablet and have an interesting in IPC-based LARP I must be crazy. Not like Abbot/Costello uncle was crazy though.
-- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.0 x86_64 at Telcontar)
Le 01/03/2019 à 13:12, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
But I'm not prepared to be doing shiny new updates every other day,
I don't do them, only once on a while :-) nor
to invest in learning another distro ropes.
not that different from Leap. (much less than debian :-) jdd -- http://dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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