Well, I finally got 3D to work in 8.1 using the 3123 nvidia drivers. I'm getting about 2500 fps in gears, so no complaints there. But whenever I "startx" from the console, it take 30 - 35 seconds before the nvidia splash screen appears. I know this issue has appeared before on this list, but I haven't been able to find any real answers. The last time this happened to me (SuSE 8.0) I was experiencing a 15 - 20 second delay (same hardware). It seems to be getting worse! Does anyone have any clues at all about this? I've searched the nvidia and suse knowledge bases w/ no success. Any ideas would be appreciated. Thanks, Mike --------------------------------------- Cleary_Mike@emc.com mailto:Cleary_Mike@emc.com --------------------------------------- Sure women come with instructions, just ask one.