-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Friday, 2008-10-24 at 18:00 -0400, Anton Aylward wrote:
Carlos E. R. said the following on 10/24/2008 03:42 PM:
Well, I object, I don't take M$ as guiding master, certainly not where Linux is concerned. I like command line. I prefer certain things not to rely on a GUI at all.
You and me both, Bro', but we've got geekiness in our blood. We don't represent the market.
Are you saying you want Linux and openSUSE reserved for the elite like us?
Not really. :-) In fact, I know of people that have successful installed it on their machine, with no much knowledge of computers or Linux. So things are not so difficult.
But the point is that if the alerts aren't seen they can't be acted on.
Oh, they are seen alright.
How? If Joe AverageUser has done a vanilla install and the mail is routed to the localhost, aka /var/spool/mail/joe, and Joe is using Gmail, how is he going to see these mail generated alerts? He's using the GUI not the command line.
What does it matter he doesn't use the command line? Look, if he is reading the email using the webmail interface, obviously he will not see the system email there. But if he uses kmail, evince, thunderbird, etc, then of course he can see system mail on one folder and external email on another.
I see that large number of netbooks are being returned, the ones running Linux being traded in for ones that run Windows. The average Joe consumer isn't as geeky as us and can't set up all that mail forwarding, ldap, nis all the rest. He's been brainwashed, rightly or wrongly, by Microsoft and for him a pop-up notifier is the right way.
Why would he have to configure ldap, nis and all the rest? Or mail forwarding? I haven't.
That's the point. The vanilla installation, as found out this weekend, expects ldap (see earlier notes in this thread about what I found in /etc/nsswitch and /etc/pam.d/common-*) and if the mail forwarding isn't set up his system generated mail is not going to appear on his Gmail account. The latter will eventually freeze the machine as /var/spool/mail/joe fills up the whole partition. THAT is a security issue.
I don't see it. I don't have ldap configured. Yes, it is installed, but not configured, and it certainly is not running. And yet, I don't get any warning at all about ldap anywhere. And this is the same as it happens on a default installation or people would have complained before. To check further, I have removed the ldap server (which is not installed by default), and I don't see nor expect any warning or error, and certainly no emails filling up. Really, I don't see your problem with ldap! And even less with emails filling up the box: I get none, except from some extra things, not default, that I installed.
To be meaningful, because its not a pop-up and because Joe AverageUser is running the GUI and not a command line shell, it needs to be forwarded to his email account. The installation/set-up should do that. Then when he reads his mail via Thunderbird, Gmail, Hotmail, whatever, there's his system messages. TaDah!
No, mail is not forwarded. It is stored on his local account. You can set any mail client to read that: some do so by default, some not.
You can; I can, but Joe AverageUser *doesn't* *even* *know* *about* *it*. Its all done without telling him.
THAT is a security problem.
I still don't see it. What security problem? Why can not joe plain user read the system email if he wants to? Or not read it at all? Many don't set it up, just use the default, and nothing happens. And certainly nobody I knows /has/ to forward it to gmail to read it! Of course, if that's the way you want it, you can, of course. You appear to think that there are a lot of system emails sent to joe user on openSUSE. Actually none is sent. Some emails _may_ be sent to the administrator: looking at my system, I haven't got any on years - if we exceptuate from services that I have installed manually and expresely configured to send emails. Those services do not run on any default installation. I don't see what you are worried about, frankly. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkkCWoYACgkQtTMYHG2NR9VcegCeLeHDuzZOMLQOfWCmb3AW0TkJ IiQAn3sqYIwbv5bmK6CHqIbLgHjBJ/oY =H/sa -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org