On 26/01/15 04:08, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Just hit ctrl-U in Thunderbird while displaying one of the delayed emails. Look from the top-down at the lines that start with "Received:". They have a format like:
Received: from PREVIOUS_STEP_SERVER ... by CURRENT_STEP_SERVER ...; some_date
and some more text in between. The format varies depending on what software wrote each entry.
So that they form a chain:
Received: from SERVER_C ... by SERVER_D some_date
Received: from SERVER_B ... by SERVER_C some_date
Received: from SERVER_A ... by SERVER_B some_date
So that you can see when it went out of the writer, when it entered suse, when it went out, when it reached your ISP, and possibly when you retrieved it. Everything is timestamped. You can determine precisely where the mail got stuck. It is easy.
Just be mindful of timezones.
Nowdays computers keep good clock time, so this is more reliable than it was.
It's just getting weirder. Example headers attached further down. Throughout this afternoon (26 Jan, CET) I continued receiving scattered messages from this ML, some dating from the 23rd or 24th Jan. Then I noticed that some were messages I'd already seen yesterday, but which had disappeared and were coming in and being marked as 'new, unread' all over again. Even my own post from the early hours of this morning was gone. Over the course of two to three hours today, new (old) messages continued trickling through every few minutes, my own from about 14 hours earlier eventually reappearing as 'new'. Of course, this is making it difficult for me to reply here not knowing what replies have already been replied to and by whom. 'New' messages coming in are frequently ones that belong earlier in the thread (by conversation logic, not by date, as one responder whose message I now cannot find was questioning me about). I check this account via IMAP and have Thunderbird set to 'Keep messages for this account on this computer', to 'Synchronise all messages locally regardless of age', and 'Do not delete any messages'. Just in the course of checking those settings and *cancelling* the dialogue, Thunderbird is this moment now re-downloading 929 messages from this mailing list, inexplicably. It normally only performs a full folder download operation like that when I set up the account on another machine. It's just completed without finding new messages, but perhaps it will now behave itself. This is all a mystery. It's behaving erratically. My account settings have always remained the same on both this and my POP accounts using versions of Thunderbird over the last decade from pre-1.0. I prefer, for various reasons, to not have messages checked automatically or at startup, so those options are unticked, as they've always been. But I do click on 'Get Messages' frequently for the POP account. In the case of this IMAP account, merely clicking on the Inbox automatically checks the messages, and for a period that I've never determined the exact length of afterwards, perhaps a quarter or half of an hour, further messages continue to come in on that account. I then need to click on the account's Inbox again. It seems to open a connection that has a set length. Perhaps that seems odd to anybody who doesn't use the settings that way, but this is how it has always behaved for many years. 'Get Messages' is hence unnecessary for the IMAP account, but clicking its drop-down entry for this account anyway doesn't bring anything new in. I've been onto my mail.com webmail interface and checked the account's settings. Nothing seems wrong there but I've now disabled spam/virus checking just to be sure that's not interfering. Here's the headers of the message from Carlos to which I'm replying. I don't know if I should be redacting anything in here:
Return-Path: opensuse+bounces-169347-gumb=linuxmail.org@opensuse.org Received: from lists4.suse.de ([195.135.221.135]) by mx-ha.gmx.net (mxgmxus004) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MGRp0-1YSyW11bhw-00DHgO for <gumb@linuxmail.org>; Mon, 26 Jan 2015 15:57:37 +0100 Received: from lists4.suse.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lists4.suse.de (Postfix) with SMTP id 7F2A186B2DF; Mon, 26 Jan 2015 03:09:04 +0000 (GMT) X-Original-To: opensuse@lists4.opensuse.org Delivered-To: opensuse@lists4.opensuse.org Received: from relay1.suse.de (unknown [149.44.160.133]) by lists4.suse.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 601C986B281 for <opensuse@lists4.opensuse.org>; Mon, 26 Jan 2015 03:09:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay1.suse.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A647196C for <opensuse@lists4.opensuse.org>; Mon, 26 Jan 2015 04:09:00 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at localhost X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 tagged_above=-9999 required=5 tests=[FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001] autolearn=disabled Received: from relay1.suse.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id XeKJIZGXZoLo for <opensuse@lists4.opensuse.org>; Mon, 26 Jan 2015 04:08:59 +0100 (CET) Received: from mx2.suse.de (cantor2.suse.de [195.135.220.15]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by relay1.suse.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C6EA31945 for <opensuse@lists4.opensuse.org>; Mon, 26 Jan 2015 04:08:59 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp.movistar.es (smtp11.acens.net [86.109.99.135]) by mx2.suse.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 873D5AB9B for <opensuse@opensuse.org>; Mon, 26 Jan 2015 03:08:59 +0000 (UTC) X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A0B0201.54C5AFCB.0002,ss=1,re=0.000,recu=0.000,reip=0.000,cl=1,cld=1,fgs=0 X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown Received: from Telcontar.valinor (83.54.51.165) by smtp.movistar.es (8.6.122.03) (authenticated as robin.listas2) id 54615F2D024918A1 for opensuse@opensuse.org; Mon, 26 Jan 2015 03:08:59 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Telcontar.valinor (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F25061108 for <opensuse@opensuse.org>; Mon, 26 Jan 2015 04:08:56 +0100 (CET) Received: from Telcontar.valinor ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Telcontar.valinor [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 2xVKnwG0gJVD for <opensuse@opensuse.org>; Mon, 26 Jan 2015 04:08:55 +0100 (CET) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Telcontar.valinor (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD4E4604CA for <opensuse@opensuse.org>; Mon, 26 Jan 2015 04:08:55 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <54C5AFBE.2080009@telefonica.net> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 04:08:46 +0100 From: "Carlos E. R." <robin.listas@telefonica.net> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.3.0 Precedence: bulk Mailing-List: contact opensuse+help@opensuse.org; run by mlmmj X-Mailinglist: opensuse List-Post: <mailto:opensuse@opensuse.org> List-Help: <mailto:opensuse+help@opensuse.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:opensuse+subscribe@opensuse.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org> List-Owner: <mailto:opensuse+owner@opensuse.org> List-Archive: <http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/> X-MIME-Notice: attachments may have been removed from this message MIME-Version: 1.0 To: oS-en <opensuse@opensuse.org> Subject: Re: [opensuse] mailing list threading problems? (Thunderbird) References: <54C4F5DF.4040204@linuxmail.org> <20150125140527.GT21053@wahoo.no-ip.org> <54C4FAAB.6050406@antonaylward.com> <54C59A75.6040201@linuxmail.org> In-Reply-To: <54C59A75.6040201@linuxmail.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="QqWEQAWhrIegLbk2HsuWLDCRBMHUn7p36" Envelope-To: <gumb@linuxmail.org> X-GMX-Antispam: 0 (Mail was not recognized as spam); Detail=V3; X-GMX-Antivirus: -2 (not scanned) X-UI-Filterresults: notjunk:1
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