To summarize the previous discussion about apt and suse's package management: 1. The rpm packages for KDE updates have been removed from the apt repository at ftp.gwdg.de, with more packages to be removed in the near future. 2. Apt will not work with the opensuse build service. 3. The opensuse build service is *ALPHA* software. 4. An as-yet-unreleased future version of apt4suse might work with the opensuse build service. 5. Using packages from the opensuse build service will will tie you to the bugs and features of the version of KDE initially released with the version of suse (i.e. 10.1 users will be stuck with KDE 3.5.1, even though three additional bugfix, translation and new feature releases will have been released by this August--3.5.4 gets tagged at the end of July). 6. There is no equal or superior package-management program available for SuSE that could replace apt. Yast most certainly isn't, and from my research, neither smart nor yum are as capable as apt (though they might become so if missing features are added in future releases). So not only has the best package management system been effectively killed without a suitable replacement, but future (and current SuSE KDE packages) SuSE packages will be a far lower quality (missing recent bugfixes, translations, etc). These are two core defects that are the core of what a distribution is supposed to do: provide software. Note that I'm not placing blame for this situation on anybody; I'm just laying out the current situation. Please do correct any errors I made above. Meanwhile, I'm going to take Kubuntu for a spin around the block as a potential replacement. Regards, Mark -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com