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I'm hoping they put WM in the next dist too, as I like it much better than AS. If they do, hopefully they'll do the version just before the last release (was it beta?? ) which, I have but didn't build, just cause I think the version I had ( the one just prior to that) was just 'bout bug free and a pleasure to look at/use on the rare occasion I'm actually in X. As far as WM being difficult, I started with AS and I find WM much simpler to use than AS (especially the latest versions of AS, and as a matter of personal preference find it prettier than AS *or* E---which is a bit much on the eyes at times and garish). Re mail. I have to agree Sendmail can make your hair turn white especially when you're just starting out. Fetchmail is awesome, I really like it. Poppy is limited. I will have to try this Poptart program you mentioned once I find out where it is (when in doubt try Freshmeat first :-) ) If we are really talking 'mail fro newbies' here, it might be a nice innovation to have a part of YaST that does mail configuration...(many people are on single user stations and just using an ISP to send and recieve mail and this probably wouldn't be very difficult.) I'm actually surprised no one has done it yet on a dist. (or maybe someone has and I don't know about it.) One thing I'd like to see also in the SuSE dist is the contributed RPM stuff that was discussed recently on this list. She said: "You know you aren't a very good singer..." I said: "That's nothing!! You should hear me play piano !!" Morrissey On Tue, 9 Jun 1998, Michael Lankton wrote:
djb@redhat.com wrote:
2. Automake 1.3 3. Libtool 1.2 You want those so you can build Gnome. :-)
:)
4. Xenon- an excellent and lightweight text editor for x...think notepad for linux. Very cool. Got a URL handy?
<A HREF="http://www.proximity.com.au/~ben/xenon.html"><A HREF="http://www.proximity.com.au/~ben/xenon.html</A">http://www.proximity.com.au/~ben/xenon.html</A</A>>
5. Poptart- a POP mail retrieval program that is infinitely easier for linux newbies to figure out compared to the included alternatives. Is it easier than fetchmail? I can't imagine it is unless it includes a GUI for setup or something. Care to give us a comparison?
Much like fetchmail. I like it better, just my preference. When I first got into linux I didn't know fetchmail was in my dist, sendmail made my head swim, and I downloaded poptart and I've just used it ever since. Poppy is a cool perl script for browsing mail on your pop server but it is no replacement for pine/elm/mutt and the pop retrieval tool of your choice.
13. Xmftp-1.0.4- The best ftp client for x.
That's motif based, though, right? Does it work with lesstif?
The author was working on a new version using QT. I sent him an email the last week of May. I recommended he look into using gtk. He sent me an email a few days later saying he looked into gtk and decided that was a better way to go and thanked me for the suggestion. I thought that was pretty cool. Here is the post he made on his website:
--5-26-98 -- -- Some decisions I have made: -- -- I'm ditching Qt altogether and using GTK instead. I've also decided to use C instead C++, simply -- because I understand how to do things in C better (I'm not saying C++ is bad!!). -- -- kaosFTP, as it will be called, will be free, GPL'ed, etc. etc. -- -- Thanks for all of the suggestions.
Here is the website, not much on it now. <A HREF="http://www.magg.net/~kaos/html/kaosFTP/news.html"><A HREF="http://www.magg.net/~kaos/html/kaosFTP/news.html</A">http://www.magg.net/~kaos/html/kaosFTP/news.html</A</A>> new gtk version <A HREF="http://www.magg.net/~kaos/html/xmftp.html"><A HREF="http://www.magg.net/~kaos/html/xmftp.html</A">http://www.magg.net/~kaos/html/xmftp.html</A</A>> the current motif based version
Anyway, this ftp client rocks, and it will be that much cooler in gtk! (now give us gtk-netscape!)
15. neXtaw- because NeXT is the most elegant gui devised by man and SuSE already includes tkstep so why not?
Again, got a URL? I'd do a net.search, but I'm sure others are interested... :-)
<A HREF="ftp://ftp.windowmaker.org/pub/libs/neXtaw-0.5.1.tar.gz"><A HREF="ftp://ftp.windowmaker.org/pub/libs/neXtaw-0.5.1.tar.gz</A">ftp://ftp.windowmaker.org/pub/libs/neXtaw-0.5.1.tar.gz</A</A>>
On a similar note, I am a huge advocate for WindowMaker, but I didn't include it because it is a little more hands-on than most win mgrs, there are compile time options to think about, etc.. Probably not the best win mgr to include in a dist as a precompiled bin.
--Donnie
ps. I am reading the glibc2 howto. Hmm, well, I can always reinstall if I bugger things up too bad ;) -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
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