Damn, I'm sorry. For everyone that mailed me requesting a copy of my magical startkde and .xinitrc files (there were ten or fifteen of you), I apologize for the delay. Below is the (edited) text of a message that Aduanne Carter sent to me back in may, concerning the use of KDE and WindowMaker. I've edited it to be XFCE, but it works for most window mangers. -=|JP|=- (Resident GNUbie) Jon Pennington | SuSE Linux 6.1 jon_pennington@excite.com | Kernel 2.2.7+ Kansas City, Missouri, USA | K6-2 350 I run KDE and XFCE here is how: Edit /opt/kde/bin/startkde so end of file looks like: # # now try to start the services # startifaudio kaudioserver startifaudio kwmsound tartifthere kfm -d startifthere kcontrol -init [ -z "$KDE_WM" ] && startifthere kbgndwm [ -z "$KDE_WM" ] && startifthere krootwm startifthere kpanel [ -z "$KDE_WM" ] && KDE_WM=kwm # # finally start kwm; finish when it's ended # exec $KDE_WM Then, edit $HOME/.xinitrc so the bottom looks like: KDE_WM=xfwm; export KDE_WM WINDOW_MANAGER=xfwm; export WINDOW_MANAGER exec $WINDOWMANAGER ________________________________________________________________ Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/