On 08/09/2011 04:39 PM, Anton Aylward wrote:
Stan Goodman said the following on 08/09/2011 09:14 AM:
Of course, not everyone prefers Thunderbird to Kmail. I don't, for example, which is one of the reasons I will return to KDE3 so I can use the unadorned Kmail.
There's a bit of illogic there. You don't like Kmail2 -- I emphasise the "2" -- so return to KDE3 rather than use, as I do, the very capable and extensible Thunderbird under KDE4.
If you can read my first paragraph above with an open mind, you will see that my own preference is an example for the first statement, which is that not everyone prefers Thunderbird. That's why I didn't give any detain or reason for my preference: it is irrelevant. What, then, was my point? That the OP asked a specific question, which you failed to address, giving instead an answer to an entirel different question about the virtues of Thunderbird for maintaining multiple accounts, although you don't know that he is interested in multiple accounts, IOW, evangelizing for TB. For the record, I have been using TB for about a month, have added a fair number of extensions, see the flexibility and some advantages it has over KDE, and conclude it is not as well organized as KDE3, which I prefer. If one can avoid a totalitarian approach, there is little fault to be drawn about that, because it is all subjective. I get to chose my own preferences, which, by the way, was (at least formerly) one of the advantages of Linux over Windows.
Its not clear where your prejudices lie. Many who like KDE4 don't like what's happened to Kmail in version 2. Perhaps Ian is one of them. Perhaps the functionality of many accounts is more important than retreating to KDE3 and loosing other features and benefits of KDE4 and applications that run under KDE4 or have fixes for running under KDE4.
Why are my preferences "prejudices", Anton? Are yours also prejudices? Is the use of Activities obligatory? Or perhaps they are a facility that is available for those who need or want them. Not everyone wants or needs all the additional functionality which passes for "Progress" in KDE, and others do not need to be called names or humiliated for wanting a different, maybe even smaller) set of features. The term "bells and whistles" comes to mind.
But then again, KDE3 doesn't support "activities" so unless Kmail _does_ support multiple accounts like Thunderbird that won't be a solution for Ian.
Perhaps so. You didn't really address his question.
The real advantage I see in Kmail2 over Thunderbird is integration into the KDE4 context, use of the shared libraries and storage and indexing. (When its all working, of course.)
Of course if you don't use KDE all the time, if you use other DMs, then that's not an advantage and using Thunderbird _is_ of benefit.
It can be of benefit for one person and not for another. Just as in a previous discussion, you don't really internalize the "Different strokes for different folks" criterion. Not everyone gets a great buzz from the "WOW" effect.
A few years ago I tried Kmail under KDE3 and last year under KDE4. In terms of the UI and user features it compares poorly with Thunderbird; but then I have half a dozen extensions for Thunderbird that have no equivalent under Kmail.
Again, you generalize from your own experiences, purposes, and expectations. Not everyone has them; some, indeed, have other ones.
I can understand avoiding Kmail2 because of Kmail2 development and integration problems such as those that have been reported here recently. But sorry, I have little time for dishonest recidivism*.
I couldn't remember the word (I had a mini-stroke a couple of years ago, and sometimes vocabulary escapes me), but "recidivist" was what you called me when we discussed a similar theme some time ago. Why do you fall back on name-calling? One is not, Anton, a recidivist because he perceives that more complication than he needs is being forced on him, whether or not his opinion is more correct than yours. Not everyone NEEDS to go where no man has gone before. It would be hard for you to understand that if you don't connect the growing pains of KDE4 with the pressure to add ever more untried innovation for the purpose of one size fits all functionality.
Honest recidivism, running KDE3 on a machine from 2002 with 256M of memory and a 60G drive, in an office with incandescent lighting where you've driven to in a car that uses leaded fuel and has tires with inner tubes ... that's another matter. That kind of recidivism I can admire :-)
[The machine I recently replaced with this i5 one was built in that year. =;-)8 ] I like to think I'm honest; why are you now calling me a _dishonest_ recidivist? Dishonest, in my book, means "liar"; is that what you are calling me, Anton? I am absolutely floored by your repeated use of the term, which appears to represent a fundamental characteristic in your psyche, and even more so by the contempt you hold (according to your final paragraph) for those who simply disagree with you or "hear a different drummer". Fortunate that you have no means of enforcement. * For those for whom this word (which is very rarely encountered in technical context) is unfamiliar, Google is your friend. -- SG -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org