From: "jdd@dodin.org" <jdd@dodin.org> Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2023 22:08:11 +0200 Le 12/08/2023 à 19:36, Bob Rogers a écrit :
One caveat: When I investigated Autoyast at my place of work 8 or so years ago, I found that the profile, a large XML document, was very machine-specific.(...)
that's the reason why, recently, I switched all my machines to Thumbleweed. TW is mature enough to be very stable. It's much easier now (was not 10 years ago, remember "evergreen" :-) than to upgrade from 15.x to 15.y. . . . jdd I should take another look at putting TW on my desktop. I had been using it as a way to keep some old 32-bit desktops available as spares at my former job, but it really wasn't meant for systems you don't keep running all the time. ================ From: Lew Wolfgang <wolfgang@sweet-haven.com> Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2023 09:44:40 -0700 On 8/12/23 10:36, Bob Rogers wrote:
In particular, my strategy with a new release has always been to do fresh installs rather than in-place upgrades, keeping the old installation available for rescue in case the system won't boot after an update.
I also did fresh-install releases for many years. But a year or so ago I started doing the in-place upgrades and haven't encountered any problems. Fresh installs were always a PITA when porting the configuration files over, not to mention that the UID and GID numbers got scrambled. I keep my most of the configuration for my systems in Git, so I just need to do "make install" in a fresh release. (Admittedly with some tweaking, so I have a "make INSTALL_OPTS=--diff install" hack to smooth the way [1].) And now that the installer can pull the users and groups from the previous installation, I haven't seen any ID scrambling either. Between that and having a fairly efficient system for restoring the software I need, a fresh installation usually goes pretty smoothly. And if it doesn't, I can always reboot into the old one temporarily until I get more time to work on it. (Though I still ought to give TW a fresh chance.) I run about 30 machines, and in-place upgrades have saved me lots of time without issue. Of course, YMMV. Actually, it's been quite a long time since I've had an update that caused a failed boot, so I would not be surprised to learn that in-place upgrades have gotten more reliable in tandem. But as usual, make sure you have up-to-date and reliable backups! Regards, Lew That's never been a problem for me [2]. ;-} -- Bob [1] https://git.sr.ht/~rgrjr/rgrjr-scripts/tree/master/item/install.pl [2] http://www.rgrjr.com/linux/backup.html