I was thinking if I should write this mail or not but the dev guys who have spent loads of hours getting this release into place also need feedback on the bad issues to make 10.2 into the quality release we have been spoiled with in the past. I have been a SuSE fan since 8.2...well not for to long but for a couple of years now...I have only been running Linux since SuSE 9.0 (with KDE)...later I installed Ubuntu Warty on Laptop to see what the fuzz was about....I liked it but it was nothing like SuSE....but I decided to keep it so I had a KDE and a GNOME distribution... My home Desktop had stayed at 9.3 but it's best before date has expirered since too long...so I decided to uppgrade to 10.1, well the first problem was the Atheros driver and I did know about it before I began the update...I did file a bug report on it to give the devs my view on the sitatuation and the gave me the same answer as everyone else... I didn't expect anything else...but removing the Atheros drivers with that explanation about "some kernel devs yadda yadda yadda"....well in the end it is about us users and the choice we have...to cripple device support or whatever reason is a bad move for SuSE...sure I did compile the madwifi driver myself but all people can't do that. My choice at that time was, I like SuSE I'm pissed but nevermind I just want a working systen....and I allways do updates on wire in case of trouble.... I tried to update my system and it failed misserabely....I just gave up in the end and tried to do a over network install and i just didn't work...it jst hang and hang and hang....So I downloaded all ISO's and made a DVD...and installed...it worked....I added the packman and suser-guru archives and tried to installed the needed stuff over the wire an it failed....YAST hang again...and again....and again...finally I downloaded everything to my HDD and did a local install of the needed packages...it worked after a while... Most of the things did work after that but I had spent somewhere between 5-7 evenings and a weekend and had a pissed wife... It didn't take me long to be annoyed that everytime i started the machine I couldn't start Cedega/WoW directly because I had to wait for some job which drained all CPU for a few minutes....the same thing happend att 22.30 every evening...I later moved the evening one.... Install of software was horribly slow and well everthing about the updates... Well with a problems an being pissed of about the Atheros drivers I made a choice to install Ubuntu 6.0.6 Flight (some of the latest) on the desktop and I was up and running with everything in about 5 hours, they have pulled of a really nice release. Well problems didn't stop there, my Wife wanted me to print some Photos on the new HP printer she made me buy for printing photos....whats wrong with black/white laser by the way^^...I never got it to work and I had to get my work laptop and boot into our corporate WinXP desktop and print the photos...scanning and printing regular documents on Linux was no problem... at this point I was just pissed on everything....and decided that I need to be a user and have an easy life......going back to Windows XP was no option, since it is a story of never ending problems and weired things happends all the time...With a Linux machine configuration can be a pain sometimes but when it works it works....usually....So I thought, how about a Mac? They are using Intel processors now, the run on a BSD UNIX and they finally have a two button mouse ;) I called Applestore and explained who I was and what I needed and I had thought about a Mac Mini with 2GB Ram for home use..I had a new 20" Flatscreen monitor so I didn't want a iMac...I was connected to a PreSales guy since she Wasn't sure about WoW on the mini and we agreed that I could give it a try...so I ordered...two days ago I officially became a switcher and I am so happy, i was up and running after 30 minutes without any Mac knowledge....I just works....??? There must be a catch somewhere??? Computers shouldn't just work....and about WoW...well a little bit slow but it works.... So the moral of the story is: OpenSuSE have a choice to include or not to include "binary only modules" like the Atheros one...and I as a user has a choice to agree or disagree, and I did disagree...there are several other Linux Desktop dists out there which also are good and now they are better than OpenSuSE...ok my choice was even more radical than changing dist but.... ...and I don't seem to be the only one pissed of about this.... Don't release unfinished software, the new software distribution system aren't even alfa-software...Installtion of software and updates are a fundamental part of an operating system, it must work....and if it fails....talk to us write about it on the Opensuse web...send emails to this list just don't be silent...ok there has been some mails now... OpenSuSE 10.1 should have been delayed due to this....yes we ofcourse has been angry about that also but...in the end that had been a better choice... I still have 10.0 on my work Laptop and I hope that I will have the opportunity to upgrade that later to a fully functional OpenSuSE 10.2,3,5? which once again spoils us and gives us the quality we are used to....but that Laptop has a Atheros card to so.... Well it don't expect you all to agree but this is how I felt.... Best Regards Patrik "Proud new owner of a Mac Mini Core Due with 2GB Ram, Mighty Mouse and an 4GB iPod Nano" Bruce Marshall wrote:
On Saturday 03 June 2006 11:04 am, jfweber@gilweber.com wrote:
into electronic streams flowing thru the cosmos On Tuesday 30 May 2006
5:58 pm, Bruce Marshall wrote:
I have an IBM Thinkpad X30 with a SmartLink winmodem inside of it. This has always been supported by SuSE. The previous release I was running was 9.3.
10.1 has a lot of SmartLink stuff on the DVD (retail) but only for a USB SmartLink modem. I've just spent about 3 hours trying to figure out why there is no 'slamr' module provided but I can't find one.
New releases are supposed to get easier to install. Not 10.1
So, does that mean that 10.1 base and, gui and, desktop product etc didn't install, or that your winmodem hardware support may be phasing out ? Other than this driver, did anything else fail to install ?
Oh my.... your question comes just at the right time. I've been running with 10.1 for a week now.... fighting problems all the way, and I've just now finally given up spending any more time on it. I am back on 10.0 and I was about to write the final chapter on my throes with 10.1.
One of the major problems I have had is with video support. (which works fine in 10.0 BTW) I have a 20 inch Viewsonic VP201B LCD monitor running on an ATI card with a DVI cable. I don't think there is anything too strange about that setup. As I say, it worked fine on 10.0 and if I recall, it also worked on 9.3.
On install of 10.1, I was unable to get any resolution to work, other than 1280x1024 when the monitor wants to run in 1600 mode. At 1280 it looks really crappy and it is slow. I spent 3 days trying to get to 1600 mode and every test I ran (using Sax2 or ginned up Xorg.con files) the entire system would hang and it was hard reset time.
After three days of trying to get it to work, I saw that ATI had updated their drivers and decided (even though there were dependency problems) that I had nothing to lose by trying them. I soon realized that the ATI install wanted to start from an xorg.conf that was already set to 1600 but I didn't have one. I had to run Sax2 in low res mode on a 1280 screen in order to create the proper settings. Finally I got the ATI drivers to work - most of the time.
The reason I am finally quitting on 10.1 is that whenever I reboot, I usually have to boot to init 3 and erase .Xauthority and .ICEauthority and a few other pieces of the graphics world. If I don't, I get the hard reset hang again. Today, even that approach doesn't work. End of the road.
Also along the way have been problems:
1) Missing SLAMR module for a winmodem in my laptop. (2 days of effort to solve that one)
2) Opera under 10.1 now segfaults no matter what version you attempt to run (problem with QT? Don't think so because even the static version won't run)
3) Too many YAST and other utility tool problems to mention.
4) Sound works but sounds pretty rough.
Other minor annoyances.....
I think 10.1 had too many changes (software update mgmt, removal of non-gpl modules, and install tools) that it had a problem for almost everyone....
Feels good to be back on 10.0. I'm not one to give up on problems, but I know when I'm wasting my time and after 9 days of effort, I've wasted enough.
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